tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post1048927408118460680..comments2024-03-19T18:07:13.020+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Red Noise: Should RNZ Be Promoting “Progressive” Causes?Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-91187875010708908512019-02-04T21:52:16.623+13:002019-02-04T21:52:16.623+13:00Former RNZ Media watch host
RusselBrown@publica...Former RNZ Media watch host<br /><br /> <br />RusselBrown@publicaddress<br /><br />Amused to see “free speech” sorts up in arms about the presence of neo-Nazis at yesterday’s rallies. Guys, do you actually think the dress-up goons are that different to the bulk of the crowd at last year’s free speech protests? C’mon.<br />https://twitter.com/publicaddress/status/1091896686182490114<br />..............<br />Apparently one of the neoNazis said "6 million Jews were killed and there should have been more."John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-49960841529490202772019-02-04T15:15:04.668+13:002019-02-04T15:15:04.668+13:00I repeat this bit from an earlier comment about th...I repeat this bit from an earlier comment about the attitudes that somecommenters display here.<br /><br /><i> Some. to prove how clever they are had to unpack the list and demonstrate to everyone how clever and thorough their thinking is, and how sloppy GS cogs are. How pathetic. Why didn't you just say that the list seemed out of kilter and request him to explain himself.</i><br /><br />And John Hurley - one shouldn't rely on peer review being the absolute <br />accolade concerning some research. Nobody these days can rely on peers not being bought by big companies. It is naive to completely trust until you have all the information and background on the people involved. There is a need to know about the whole sector, how it operates and which university graduates have been captured by corporate interests. Critical thinking, wariness and assertive personal research is helpful in finding the patterns of subterfuge and networks of flim-flam couched in formal academic language and forms of course.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-72378521527445755202019-02-04T13:32:42.321+13:002019-02-04T13:32:42.321+13:00It is interesting (but not surprising) that when a...It is interesting (but not surprising) that when a tiny number of well educated and well placed white men invent some things during a period in history when white people dominate the world, other white men want to take credit as if it is something they all did, but when a much larger group of white men do bad things or hold racist attitudes then other white men don't want to share the blame and prefer either to deny it or to spread it more widely. <br /><br />Of course, historically when white people weren't the dominant group on the planet most of the inventing was done by non-whites. For example, when Egypt and Chinese were the most advanced societies, it was Africans and Chinese people who did most of the inventing.<br /><br />Probably the best (and more permanent) way a young, woke, middle class white person can redress the power imbalance between their submission writting parents in the leafy suburbs and poorer brown people in the more treeless suburbs is between the bedsheets without contraceptives.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04430437789984170487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-39422731339962683812019-02-04T10:29:42.407+13:002019-02-04T10:29:42.407+13:00Right-oh GS, I'll take you on on that list...
...Right-oh GS, I'll take you on on that list...<br /><br />the "Jenny" coupler as it's known in the US was invented by Andrew Beard - <b> if you accept that then you accept the date as 1897. The "Janney" coupler - the same thing was patented in 1873. So an improvement at best </b><br /><br />In the sewage thing I can't be arsed going into the details, but it was a doodad that stopped the sewage from backing up and overflowing your toilet. <b>You mean the toilet trap Alexander Cummings in 1775 (Scottish)</b><br /><br />Plus a guy called Latimer invented and improved carbon filament which was developed for Edison's electric light bulb the previous ones didn't last. <b>Again an improvement not an invention</b><br /><br />Bra – no way all they had was a primitive binding cloth to flatten the chest because they didn't like big boobs. <b>So they did invent the principle.</b><br /><br />I could add that a black American invented the gas mask and patented the traffic light. <b>You could, but again you'd be wrong. Ancient Greece for the principle and Alexander von Humboldt in 1799 for the gas mask. </b><br /><br />Traffic lights, <b>yep I'll give you the lights aspect but that was an improvement to the traffic control signals that already existed plus "On 9 December 1868,[7] the first non-electric gas-lit traffic lights were installed outside the Houses of Parliament in London to control the traffic in Bridge Street, Great George Street, and Parliament Street. They were proposed by the railway engineer J. P. Knight of Nottingham who had adapted this idea from his design of railway signalling" </b><br /><br />In the black woman who patented the camera security systems. That's a twofer. <b> Relly, you're claiming an application of existing technology as an invention? TV camera - John Logie Bair, Videotape: Phillips</b><br /><br />Agriculture certainly wasn't invented by white people – most authorities put it developing everywhere but Europe.:)<b> But you've claimed improvements as invention so I'll use your own logic to claim that</b>Daveynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-58368695714309749502019-02-02T21:31:50.662+13:002019-02-02T21:31:50.662+13:00Following passage is absolutely Spot on !
"A...Following passage is absolutely Spot on !<br /><br />"Also absent from Newton’s investigation is any significant reference to the decisive relationship between social class and political power. Her readers are asked to focus on the ethnicity, age and household income of those participating in the Auckland Council’s consultation process. Unexplored were such factors as whether those participants were unskilled wage-workers or salaried professionals. Closely related factors, such as levels of educational attainment, were similarly neglected.<br /><br />These are significant omissions. Not least because had social class and educational attainment been the focus of Newton’s study, then it is entirely possible that instead of old, rich, white people emerging as the villains of the piece, the culprits would have turned out to be self-interested members of the highly-educated middle- and upper-classes."<br /><br />A disproportionate number of the most aggressive Intersectionals being, of course, paid up members of this inherently privileged club (whilst shamelessly pointing the finger at everyone else).swordfishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-75125308136028440192019-02-02T14:19:58.314+13:002019-02-02T14:19:58.314+13:00GS
You don't have to understand the maths, you...GS<br />You don't have to understand the maths, you rely on peer review for that. The principle in the conclusions is quite simple to understand.John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-70062476763025111922019-02-01T13:26:14.373+13:002019-02-01T13:26:14.373+13:00Problem is GS I'm so bloody flippant I'm n...Problem is GS I'm so bloody flippant I'm not sure if I could always know or remember to add sarc or similar. Mind you it got Davey thinking of interesting stuff and you of amazing Heddy Lamar, beauty and brains. Think if she was here today as a post feminist what would now be possible for her.Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-34509738675321112562019-02-01T12:33:53.401+13:002019-02-01T12:33:53.401+13:00Oh dear John. Well if you read all of that paper a...Oh dear John. Well if you read all of that paper and understood the maths and the conclusions, you're a better man than I am. Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-3908649768423994812019-01-31T19:21:47.654+13:002019-01-31T19:21:47.654+13:00Grey, to have such a brilliant mother is to be twi...Grey, to have such a brilliant mother is to be twice blessed.Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-478861082024939382019-01-31T19:17:21.070+13:002019-01-31T19:17:21.070+13:00Thanks there Davey for exonerating me from charges...Thanks there Davey for exonerating me from charges most vile, and GS accused me of not Googling at expense of my credibility....I will forgive his lack of Googling...I didn't need to use it...education by patriarchal teachers. Next Google "tongue in cheek", and more seriously "credibility".Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-47044870578775338362019-01-31T18:11:54.476+13:002019-01-31T18:11:54.476+13:00It's interesting the sort of 'authority...It's interesting the sort of 'authority' that RWs tend to rely on in whatever arguments they are making, yet the big picture will always escape them. Here the list of inventions and progressive ideas listed by GS has become a provocative and contentious topic. Some. to prove how clever they are had to unpack the list and demonstrate to everyone how clever and thorough their thinking is, and how sloppy GS cogs are. How pathetic. Why didn't you just say that the list seemed out of kilter and request him to explain himself.<br /><br />The problem with entrenched thinkers is that they are so busy sticking to their line and belief that another idea is anathema. Chimpanzees and gorillas do nit-picking of each other as a community bonding service to each other. Humans tend to be too busy parading their individual superiority to think about community good. This shows in our inability to face the past and admit that our present outcomes are not what we moved heaven and earth politically for in 1975 on. Now the results are that we have less options for change to prepare for the swingeing future than we had in 1984. But, nit-picking? Whinging?greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-70737613324163842862019-01-31T14:22:08.044+13:002019-01-31T14:22:08.044+13:00Actually grey, Heddy Lamar was another inventor of...Actually grey, Heddy Lamar was another inventor of some note as well as an actress. She helped fix the problems with US torpedoes in World War II.<br />Actually I'm not going through all of them again. But I've already mentioned Heddy Lamar, and the "Jenny" coupler as it's known in the US was invented by Andrew Beard who at least help the patent. Perhaps we talking about different things. In the sewage thing I can't be arsed going into the details, but it was a doodad that stopped the sewage from backing up and overflowing your toilet. Plus a guy called Latimer invented and improved carbon filament which was developed for Edison's electric light bulb the previous ones didn't last. Bra – no way all they had was a primitive binding cloth to flatten the chest because they didn't like big boobs. I could add that a black American invented the gas mask and patented the traffic light. In the black woman who patented the camera security systems. That's a twofer. I'll give you the blood plasma to a point – it was a black American who improve the process and started the first major scale blood banks, including refrigerated trucks for transporting blood.<br />Agriculture certainly wasn't invented by white people – most authorities put it developing everywhere but Europe.:)<br />Nick. Perhaps to avoid the poe, you could put/sarc at the end of your stuff. I'm too old and it's too hot to try to sort it all out.:)Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-49603536269363104482019-01-31T13:59:45.380+13:002019-01-31T13:59:45.380+13:00Oh dear!
This paper shows that the level of defore...Oh dear!<br />This paper shows that the level of deforestation in Indonesia is positively related to the degree of ethnic fractionalization. To identify a causal relation, we exploit the exogenous timing of variation in the level of ethnic heterogeneity due to the creation of new jurisdictions. We provide evidence consistent with a lower control of politicians, through electoral punishment, in more ethnically fragmented districts. Our results are consistent with the literature on (under)provision of public goods in ethnically diverse societies<br /><br />https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ecca.12285John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-80941751924631682752019-01-31T11:58:54.275+13:002019-01-31T11:58:54.275+13:00Thanks for the story of Miss Shilling's orific...Thanks for the story of Miss Shilling's orifice GS. I hadn't heard about her and like to collect stories of individuals who are amazing individuals.<br />Another female one being John Clarke's mother, Neva McKenna Clarke.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-29418612989576177292019-01-31T11:06:58.794+13:002019-01-31T11:06:58.794+13:00Trust you to take the bait GS, I'm taking the ...Trust you to take the bait GS, I'm taking the proverbial. The more subtle messages are there though.<br /><br />First, criticism of "patrirchy" and other advantage / disadvantage "analysis" are very prone to narrow parameters...I did the same on purpose to highlight.<br /><br />Second I was deliberately mirroring the inverse side of Newton, nothing is unidimensional, there's a hell of a lot to be thankful for in the achievements of European culture, and I'm not going to let that pass uncommented upon, or cringe. Yes we white males can be old bastards, but overall the balance is admirably positive (I say with some pride).Nick Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12609312325425361413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-41242928833460767672019-01-31T09:27:28.891+13:002019-01-31T09:27:28.891+13:00And because I had time on my hands...
The pacemak...And because I had time on my hands...<br /><br />The pacemaker - 1889 - John Alexander MacWilliam (British), 1926 Mark C Lidwill (Aus), 1932 Albert Hyman (USA). Take your pick all W/M/E<br />The Jenny coupler - Assuming you meant the <b>Janney Coupler</b> well the clue's in the name - Eli H. Janney W/M/E<br />Improvements to sewage - what does that even mean? I think the Romans had a lot to do with that. Yep W/M/E<br />The clothes dryer - what kind?<br />Aspects of crop rotation - who knows? It's been going on as long as mankind has been cultivating crops. But the principles and practice was codified by those pesky W/M/Es in the C7th<br />Dry cleaning - Jolly Belin in Paris in 1825 W/M/E<br />The ISA bus - Mark Dean, you're correct on this one<br />Agriculture - Meaningless, too broad<br />The carbon filament for lightbulbs - John Wellington Starr, 1845 - W/M/E<br />The Brassière - Ancient Greeks and Romans W/M/E<br />Medicine - too broad a claim<br />Mathematics - developed rather than invented<br />Mining - again developed rather than invented, digging a hope is hardly an invention. But modern mining methods absolutely European<br />Lithium ion batteries - British chemist M Stanley Whittingham W/M/E<br />Calculus - history attributes it to Isaac Newton and Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz who both independently discovered calculus in the mid-17th century.Daveynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-56809006697650167782019-01-31T09:08:04.594+13:002019-01-31T09:08:04.594+13:00@SG OK I'll bite...
Automatic transmission - ...@SG OK I'll bite...<br /><br />Automatic transmission - 1904 by the Sturtevant brothers of Boston. Surprisingly white & male<br />Separation and storage of blood plasma/Blood banks - John Braxton Hicks, C19th, English, white, male<br />The golf tee. -Scotsmen William Bloxsom and Arthur Douglas<br />Miss Schilling's orifice. - OK you can have that one<br />Inoculation - various attempts but generally accepted that Jenner is the father of that. Superseded by vaccination - yep white, Euro & male<br />Radio guided torpedoes/Wi-Fi. - Tesla, male & European<br />The windscreen wiper - Józef Hofmann, Polish, white, male<br /><br />Now, to use your own logic, as you claim the golf tee to have been invented by a black man - and yes George Grant did improve the existing design - then I'm happy to claim the improvements to medicine & especially surgery that have given us modern healthcare as very much white, male and mostly European.Daveynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-3623311829847249082019-01-31T07:31:32.503+13:002019-01-31T07:31:32.503+13:00Before the last election: A Slice of Heaven with N...Before the last election: A Slice of Heaven with Noelle McCarthy - in association with Massey (ie Paul Spoonley). In last episode - Smart Talk at The Auckland Museum panelists weren't remotely uncertain of the benefits of immigration Ali Camel had them in stitches with his joke "Nothing is less convincing than a New Zealander looking up from a butter chicken pie made by a Cambodian baker, complaining about immigration”. Noelle McCarthy cracked the sound barrier over that one (edited out of original recording). Then there was TVNZ's Hard Stuff where immigration got the soft stuff from leftist Nigel Latta (see his twitter feed). NZ lacks competition in it's media outlets.<br />Berentson-Shaws problem is democracy. Those old white people in the "leafy suburbs" are hanging on to an earlier time before progressives decided NZ was too homogeneously Anglo-Saxon. <br />I'm picking Berentson-Shaw is not put off by Putnam or Alberto Alesina who show that diversity is the inverse of social cohesion and community; Berentson-Shaw with use story telling and the network of activists journalists and academics will oblige. <br /><br />Johnathon Haidt warns against activist academics. If the universities have the floor covered where can parties like New Conservative get a leg in? All political alternatives need academic backing? Rightly or wrongly political alternatives need academic backing (argument).<br />John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-32565150818479351642019-01-30T17:51:00.952+13:002019-01-30T17:51:00.952+13:00Nick J and GS such a pleasure to read the results ...Nick J and GS such a pleasure to read the results of active minds. Most of the rest is mumbling, grumbling incoherence.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-10296917560553698032019-01-30T16:43:06.911+13:002019-01-30T16:43:06.911+13:00"Yes pretty much every technological advance,..."Yes pretty much every technological advance, medical advance, political advance in the last threee centuries is down to white males."<br /><br />As usual wrong.<br /><br />Automatic transmission.<br />Separation and storage of blood plasma/Blood banks<br />The clothes dryer.<br />The golf tee.<br />The pacemaker.<br />The Jenny coupler.<br />Improvements to sewage.<br />Aspects of crop rotation.<br />Dry cleaning.<br />The ISA bus.<br />Agriculture.<br />The carbon filament for lightbulbs.<br />The Brassière.<br />Medicine.<br />Mathematics.<br />Mining.<br />Lithium ion batteries.<br />Calculus.<br />Miss Schilling's orifice.<br />Inoculation.<br />Radio guided torpedoes/Wi-Fi.<br />The number zero.<br />The windscreen wiper.<br />Admittedly, some of these are pre-300 years ago, and some of them might be considered less than important, but Jesus wept if you can't do 30 seconds worth of googling before you open your mouth to comment sarcastically/passive aggressively you might as well give up any idea of having credibility. But you're far too focused on feeling resentful to think obviously.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-52377975709387306152019-01-30T16:32:13.015+13:002019-01-30T16:32:13.015+13:00That whole RNZ/Spinoff thing seems joined at the h...That whole RNZ/Spinoff thing seems joined at the hip<br />https://thespinoff.co.nz/auckland/12-08-2016/the-oldest-whitest-meeting-in-the-world/<br /><br />Regardless of national history, the rise of left-modernism in the high culture prompted an attack on majority ethnicity. For settler societies, this meant a dual focus on aboriginals as dispossessed natives and non-white immigrants as a welcome source of diversity who experience discrimination. In Australia, it's common for progressives to preface their talks by thanking the local aboriginal tribe as the 'rightful owners of the land', and this was also a demand of the Evergreen State protesters. In 1998, Australia formalized white repentance in the form of a National “Sorry Day' [71] Genocide against aboriginals is important to expose but needs to be contextualised. As Jared Diamond outlines in Guns Germs and Steel,, agriculturalists have replaced hunter-gatherers — mainly due to differences in immunity to animal-borne diseases — throughout human history. This is as true of the Bantu cattle-herding ancestors of African Americans, largely wiped out the indigenous pygmy and San peoples of Central and Southern Africa, as it is of Europeans in the New World. We also know that the chance of being violently killed is ten times higher in hunter-gatherer societies than in agricultural civilizations [2] On the Great Plains, the Comanche were able to master the Western technology of horsemanship before white settlement and used this to brutally conquer other Amerindian groups, nearly wiping out the Apache. None of which means today's Comanche should feel ashamed of their identity and dwell on the foibles of their ancestors. A balanced perspective which acknowledges positives and negatives of Western settlement rather than a 'social-justice' lens narrowly focused on white original sin would be considerably truer to the facts. It may also be the case that, as McWhorter writes for African-Americans, the focus on white guilt removes a sense of agency from aboriginal groups, worsening their plight. Victim status may bring lower resilience and worse social outcomes. As Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt point out, the ideology of victim hood elevates precisely those habits of mind — such as viewing others' innocent statements as malign or relying on emotional reasoning (`I feel it, it must be true') —which produce depression and anxiety. Cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) is explicitly designed to correct such neuroses through building resilience, yet left-modernist ideology seems intent on doing the opposite. It's certainly the case that the severe problems of suicide and substance abuse among Canadian and Australian aboriginal peoples haven't improved since the 1960's. Anti-Western tropes can also be used by developing-world politicians like Robert Mugabe who leaned on postcolonial leftist arguments to deflect attention from his misdeeds. Eric Kaufman - White Shift.John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-61208895526437243532019-01-30T16:26:59.360+13:002019-01-30T16:26:59.360+13:00Jess Berentson-Shaw talks about "good informa...Jess Berentson-Shaw talks about "good information" and "false balance" Eg We shouldn't hear from Don Brash. This appears to be based on the writings of Herbert Macuse. The problem is: who chooses the "good information"? She is also into "de-colonisation" etc. When I saw that first up on RNZ for their start back I had the same thoughts as Chris. John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-86797312317143180752019-01-30T13:27:56.550+13:002019-01-30T13:27:56.550+13:00@ Garrit
Old white men are largely responsible...@ Garrit<br /> Old white men are largely responsible for how the world is today. Both good and bad. We have been the doers of things. The inventors, the explorers the planners , the colonists, the warmongers. There is some to be proud of and some to be ashamed of but lets keep doing our best. And not complain,<br />D J SDavid Stonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-5906867495322533252019-01-30T12:04:58.290+13:002019-01-30T12:04:58.290+13:00One fact that was conveniently and consistently ov...One fact that was conveniently and consistently overlooked by RNZ and the contributors to the piece is that those " 'rich, white, old' Aucklanders are the very people who are paying for Auckland. These are the ratepayers and if anything they deserve more of a say than the net beneficiaries that RNZ seems to beleve should be telling us how are money should be sent (oh and that we should be contributing more of it).daveynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-51181386008339019092019-01-30T10:34:22.840+13:002019-01-30T10:34:22.840+13:00I used to like listening to Morning Report on RNZ ...I used to like listening to Morning Report on RNZ National.<br /><br />Then Geoff left.<br /><br />Then show became Morning Interrogation.<br /><br />It is made even worse - if this is possible - by Guyon Espinor's half-arsed pronunciation of Maori. No doubt he is sincere, but he sucks at it.<br /><br />My late mother was a native speaker of Maori.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02933320334462324482noreply@blogger.com