tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post1221367391073832118..comments2024-03-29T17:12:19.648+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: If The Queen Saves Boris, Will God Save The Queen?Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-13670487766055421042019-10-08T11:40:27.753+13:002019-10-08T11:40:27.753+13:00Boris will probably soon be dealing with the moron...Boris will probably soon be dealing with the moronic Charles, probably King George the Seventh.peteswriteplacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474922953916383101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-52072599402632683762019-09-29T22:26:56.395+13:002019-09-29T22:26:56.395+13:00That's how I see it too Trev.
In Britain ...That's how I see it too Trev.<br /> In Britain the lack of a written constitution gives flexibility for the political system to adapt to a situation that has not arisen before and was not anticipated. It could either strengthen the political system or damage it badly. At the moment it looks more like the latter, at least in the eyes of the public, but we don't know yet I don't think. It depends how it plays out. But the threat is that the political system allows an elected government's stated programme , consistent with the expressed wishes of the voters to be overruled by the judiciary and a faction of parliament in opposition who do not want the expressed will of the electorate to be implemented . The public respect for their democracy colt take enduring damage. A second binding referendum could help resolve it but if that referendum offers the choice only between remain and a bullshit brexit that relinquishes participation in EU governance but remains under most of the controls will not restore any respect. <br /> In America democracy is really being trashed. The office of President is being made a farce.<br />D J SDavid Stonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-58668227933526481862019-09-29T17:08:55.871+13:002019-09-29T17:08:55.871+13:00I agree Trev. Ex UK Labour MPs Bryan Gould and Au...I agree Trev. Ex UK Labour MPs Bryan Gould and Austin Michell have penned many good articles on their blogs on why the UK should leave the EU but I never see these articles in the NZ media. Bryan lives here and Austin was living here but may have returned to the UK.<br /><br />The EU's attempts to bully Switzerland have gone largely unreported in the NZ media. My concern is that New Zealand will sign a free trade deal with the EU and will find itself to some degree controlled by the EU. I have read articles that the EU engages in Post Westphalian sovereignty and controls countries by allowing trade access and can then squeeze them in other areas. This is of course no different to what is happening with China so maybe the EU is less of a concern to us at the moment.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05289240834173890159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-73451567034161630702019-09-28T16:16:57.747+12:002019-09-28T16:16:57.747+12:00Constitutional convention has been overturned both...Constitutional convention has been overturned both by the Blairite Supreme Court, which has decided that political as opposed to legal matters, are justiciable which the English High Court sitting under the Lord Chief Justice earlier wisely and correctly did not do, and by Parliament which has intruded on the prerogative of the Executive in the negotiation of treaties by instructing Boris Johnson through the Benn Act to ask the EU for an extension by 19 October if no deal is forthcoming by then. The Establishment has shown it will stop at nothing to overturn Brexit and they have done great damage to the constitution and people's faith in democracy. Johnson is adamant he will not seek an extension. Will Parliament have him clapped in irons if he disobeys the Benn Act? Will they revoke the UK's notice of withdrawal under Article 50 for which they voted two years ago, taking Brexit in any form completely off the table? Or will Johnson find some wriggle room by challenging the legality of the Benn Act? I believe he will "keep buggering on" in the words of his hero Churchill. It appears for every humiliation he receives from the Establishment his polling rises by about five percentage points each time. The dam will eventually break and he will be well placed to lead his party to a great victory in a campaign that harnesses the will of the people against Parliament. But there may be some way to go including a shabby interim administration led by Corbyn which might be installed after a vote of no confidence. That would truly be a coup and pour petrol on the fire, and perhaps even provoke the monarch's intervention. What would Spider Lady Hale do then?<br /><br />Incidentally I am bemused by the NZ media and political establishment's continual smearing of Britain's efforts to break free of the EU which is an increasingly undemocratic monster intent on "empire" as the EU Brexit Coordinator Guy Verhofstadt gloated recently at the Lib-Dems' conference. (God forbid the EU Commission's subject countries should ever be treated like the Belgian Congo was!) No entity has done greater damage to the New Zealand economy over the past 40 years than the EU. They are not our friends.Trev1https://www.blogger.com/profile/00271717267778957672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-14408957656995032292019-09-28T15:06:55.581+12:002019-09-28T15:06:55.581+12:00UK Labour last week seem to have adopted a policy ...UK Labour last week seem to have adopted a policy at their Conference of Freedom of Movement that gives access to the UK for the whole world. That doesn't sound like a vote winner to me.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05289240834173890159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-77733358048460851482019-09-28T13:16:33.912+12:002019-09-28T13:16:33.912+12:00The Queen won't be thinking anything at all. ...The Queen won't be thinking anything at all. poleshift.ning.com<br />Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17495173901128093790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-80871075240638666892019-09-27T15:50:37.947+12:002019-09-27T15:50:37.947+12:00So Wayne ... what you are arguing is that the comm...So Wayne ... what you are arguing is that the commitment to respect the referendum result made by both major parties in the 2017 election is now to be disregarded in favour of a second referendum ... and some wonder why politicians are held in a certain contempt. .... why?The Veterannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-39186679416940652482019-09-27T06:30:04.561+12:002019-09-27T06:30:04.561+12:00Surely you have a widely overstated thesis.
Right...Surely you have a widely overstated thesis.<br /><br />Right now the most likely outcomes are;<br />1. Boris writes for an extension and gets a deal. The Commons won't vote for it, unless it has a referendum<br />2. Boris writes for an extension and doesn't get a deal, then follows a vote of no confidence which is passed<br />3. There is an interim government that does a deal which goes to a referendum<br />4. An election follows, which I reckon Labour will win<br />5. Or Boris wins, although the second referendum has happened, so he probably won't<br />6. Or just like now, there is a hung parliament.<br /><br />None of these scenarios involve the Queen. Just as in NZ, the politicians (and the courts) and the people have to solve their political problems. The Queen can't and won't.<br /><br />I am postulating an interim government rather than an early election before a deal is done. If there is an early election, I reckon Labour will win on the basis it promises a second referendum. I reckon the mood has turned against Boris. Also Farange will scupper Boris's chances.<br /><br /><br /><br />Wayne Mapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12906396523791648270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-518309076423897012019-09-26T22:07:52.621+12:002019-09-26T22:07:52.621+12:00Lovely old girl, but should butt out and leave it ...Lovely old girl, but should butt out and leave it to those who will have to live with any decision. Hope NZ gets a good trade deal.peteswriteplacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474922953916383101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-90523016216257604222019-09-26T18:21:35.399+12:002019-09-26T18:21:35.399+12:00Nitpick: Parliament in the 1640s *was* the voice o...Nitpick: Parliament in the 1640s *was* the voice of the privileged middle-and-upper classes. It's no accident that its support base was London and the South-East. Charles got his support from the poor and the North.<br /><br />The reason is actually pretty simple. Only Parliament could raise taxes, and the poor couldn't vote. Charles' Personal Rule without Parliament meant that the common people weren't getting taxed, and they didn't see Parliament representing them anyway. The people who were annoyed at the Personal Rule were (ironically enough) the elites.Daniel Stridehttps://phuulishfellow.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-25348379232776620732019-09-26T16:33:41.279+12:002019-09-26T16:33:41.279+12:00"that the Anti-Brexit Establishment will stop..."that the Anti-Brexit Establishment will stop at nothing to thwart the will of ordinary Englishmen and Englishwomen."<br />After one of the most cynical, mendacious and corrupt political campaigns ever seen since the 18th century I suspect. At least now the electorate has a clear demarcation between Tories who want to leave, partly because so many of their "leaders" will make a killing out of brexit – those same leaders who have arranged German citizenship for their kids and shifted their headquarters to some country that has free trade with the EU. And the Lib Dems, who are going to revoke article 50. While Labour just vacillates. The common people will have to put up with the utter clusterfuck that has arisen because those same leaders didn't bother reading the fine print about how you are supposed to leave and assumed – telling everyone – that it would be smooth and painless. Personally I've got to the stage where however stupid it may be, I hope they leave. Then all those eejits who voted for it can have the crisis they deserve. After all, HP sauce is now made in the Netherlands.:)Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-57637975643923538182019-09-26T13:25:58.856+12:002019-09-26T13:25:58.856+12:00Good summary. Thankfully Elizabeth is still on the...Good summary. Thankfully Elizabeth is still on the throne at 93 & the UK people don't have to look to Charles for exceptional leadership at such a difficult time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com