tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post1376643602925624283..comments2024-03-19T18:07:13.020+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Outrageous ChoicesChris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger89125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-86480424846304611902012-09-26T04:00:29.726+12:002012-09-26T04:00:29.726+12:00Chris welcome to the world of politics.Chris welcome to the world of politics.Mikehttp://www.rawhoney.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-12598116597656578262011-12-12T14:57:26.624+13:002011-12-12T14:57:26.624+13:00@Peter Malcouronne. Now about that bet ...
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...@Peter Malcouronne. Now about that bet ... <br /><br />; )<br /><br />If you like instead of the Early Holden Club you could change to either Titirangi Festival of Music or the Waitakere Ranges Protection Society, either will do. Send me the receipt and I will do the same to the Waitakere LEC. I must admit that I made a very pleasant amount on Ipredict and Carmel and should share the love around.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16293708548352713924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-31943822985170847492011-12-11T16:47:43.047+13:002011-12-11T16:47:43.047+13:00eat words here dudeeat words here dudepeterquixotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15873112816453062068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-50855678832059265022011-12-11T02:02:46.754+13:002011-12-11T02:02:46.754+13:00Yeah but she won though.Yeah but she won though.Bad Bearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-69811840927910058672011-12-11T01:47:59.569+13:002011-12-11T01:47:59.569+13:00NEK MINNIT!!!!!!NEK MINNIT!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-29327427060957956402011-12-10T19:15:30.083+13:002011-12-10T19:15:30.083+13:00Too good to be true Chris!!!Too good to be true Chris!!!Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04766545363197498449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-85608278625096314142010-04-03T14:40:09.198+13:002010-04-03T14:40:09.198+13:00Victor: "But I would agree that the China tra...Victor: "But I would agree that the China trade deal may heave sealed our fate as a pawn in the resource wars of the 21st century"<br /><br />That, may be Helen Clark's legacy. From April 2008, our economy has and will be tied to to that of China. To paraphrase Mr Savage (who is probably spinning in his grave as we speak) where China goes, we will go.<br /><br />MillsyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-72700881904197317752010-03-27T16:13:25.299+13:002010-03-27T16:13:25.299+13:00Sara
I take a more benign view of HC than do you ...Sara<br /><br />I take a more benign view of HC than do you and continue to regard her as one of the two most able leaders I've lived under in the various places I've been privileged to hang my hat. The other one was Helmut Schmidt. So I'm talking big league. <br /><br />But I would agree that the China trade deal may heave sealed our fate as a pawn in the resource wars of the 21st century. Moreover, we are increasingly a pawn in the hands of a new superpower, with a strong sense of nationalism and values very different to our own. <br /><br />Was there an alternative? On the answer to that question will might depend our view of Clark's legacy.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-74717575160300657972010-03-27T15:40:59.737+13:002010-03-27T15:40:59.737+13:00You only have to look at Phil Goff’s latest goof.
...You only have to look at Phil Goff’s latest goof.<br /><br />Prime Minister seems to have disappeared off the political radar in the past few days.<br />On Wednesday – a day he usually spends in Wellington when Parliament is sitting – he flew to Hamilton for the tangi of Lady Raiha Mahuta, widow of one-time Tainui leader Sir Robert Mahuta and mother of Labour’s Nanaia Mahuta.<br /><br />Labour a rudderless Ship, what more can one say.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12607254672447456288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-66928825193271953762010-03-26T15:47:18.340+13:002010-03-26T15:47:18.340+13:00Victor,
The trouble with New Zealand First as I s...Victor,<br /><br />The trouble with New Zealand First as I see it is that Winston never followed through with election promises. He campaigned on asset sales and the evils of big business but then when he got into power he acted like a regular National politician. I never saw anything too much wrong with what he said on many issues. He just couldn't be taken at his word.<br /><br />I think Labour is moribund. Stacked with too many visionless people who do not seem to be working in the best interests of New Zealand and seemingly now wracked with petty infighting I don't see how it can become relevant again. <br /><br />It was also Labour who loosened the Overseas Investment rules - and on more than one occasion too. It is with regret I acknowledge that it is largely the actions of the last two Labour governments who have made it possible for our productive land to now be sold from under us. Strange behaviour from the party of the many and not just the few. <br /><br />The last Labour government loosened the overseas investment rules and at the same time let the property bubble get bigger and bigger. The bursting of the farm property bubble and the ruin of over leveraged farmers coupled with slack overseas investment rules is enabling anyone with money to come and buy- the banks just want their money back and do not care who owns the land. <br /><br />I was a big fan of Helen Clark during her reign but I am not sure now that she was as a good a leader as I thought at the time. I think it suited Labour to let the property bubble grow so that people would feel rich and then vote Labour back in again and again on the feel good factor.<br /><br />Helen's own personal ambition was the driver for much of what they did I think- she wanted to be counted as one of the great (read longest serving) Prime Ministers. Power is always the ultimate corrupter.<br /><br />During the years she was in power I really thought she acted only for the welfare of New Zealand, but if she really cared why did she sell us out? As a farmer's daughter you would think she would know the value of the land. And what was the point of Labour's support of the treaty settlements? Labour acknowledged the value of land to the Maori culture - and gave it back- while allowing the rest of New Zealand to be colonised by stealth by rich foreigners.<br /><br />So as to the future- if the existing parties are not going to save us then in my humble opinion we need fresh leadership. And good leadership is something we need urgently if we are to retain what is left of our sovereignty.Saranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-11442167840891587622010-03-26T12:20:49.827+13:002010-03-26T12:20:49.827+13:00Peter
I agree totally ith your American flat mate...Peter<br /><br />I agree totally ith your American flat mate who sees similarities between current NZ attitudes and the US culture wars.<br /><br />That's why, as Sara has pointed out, the issue of the Chinese buy-up of farmland could be significant, as it has the potential to cut across culture war divides.<br /><br />But, Sara, I disagree with you over the need for a new party. What you're advocating sounds rather like New Zealand First. Do we really want to repeat that experience?Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-61380656733837167812010-03-26T11:58:22.790+13:002010-03-26T11:58:22.790+13:00Peter
Re: Lies and gullible voters etc.
I'm ...Peter<br /><br />Re: Lies and gullible voters etc.<br /><br />I'm largely in agreement with you. Whatever her other qualities, HC lacks the grace to acknowledge error, particularly when the accusations are being fanned for tendentious reasons. <br /><br />Key has that quality in buckets. But it may be connected with the fact that he doesn't really care all that much.<br /><br />I don't think that the gullibility or irrationality of voters is a New Zealand specialisation. It's pretty universal, albeit with local variants. Americans, for example) notoriously love a winner. So (guess what!?!) Obama's health bill is suddenly a lot more popular now that he and Nancy have got it through the House.<br /><br />Nor do I think that the likes of you and me who follow events obsessively, have long-thought-out ideological frameworks and write at length ( and in your case, very engagingly) on Chris's blog are necesarilly more intelligent than our neighbours.<br /><br />I's just that we have a different cast of mind and different interests. Most people, as my wife keeps reminding me, know far more than I do about health issues; her uncle is a fantastic gardener; your brother knows more about car engines; my friend Kate knows far more about Architecture and the country is full of people who are better at making money than I (alas) will ever be. <br /><br />Maybe, though, our peculiar casts of mind provide us with easier insights into what's rotten in the body politic. That doesn't make us better than anyone else. It just defines our mental specialisation.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-68139779120013963602010-03-25T18:57:52.589+13:002010-03-25T18:57:52.589+13:00Sara
I agree whole-heartedly with you over the n...Sara <br /><br />I agree whole-heartedly with you over the need for Labour to choose its issues carefully.<br /><br />However, Labour's own trade deal with China places limits on what any New Zealand government can or can't do to stop Chinese business interests buying-up New Zealand farmland.<br /><br />I agree that this is an issue of huge importance but it's one on which Labour is very vulnerable.<br /><br />Of course, irrespective of what one thinks generically about foreign buy-outs, China's deplorable record on food safety, environmental protection and animal welfare make it the partner, we should least want to have in developing our agricultural sector or our brand.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-87983596621984758722010-03-25T18:17:28.186+13:002010-03-25T18:17:28.186+13:00To Anonymous - March 24, 2010 11:00PM
I must firs...To Anonymous - March 24, 2010 11:00PM<br /><br />I must first inform Bowalley Roaders that I did not, pseudonymously, write Anon's post, nor put one of my non-foetal-alcohol-addled Westie sisters on the job. Because it's hard to imagine a post that'd better prove my point.<br /><br />I'll clear up a couple of things first for our brave anonymous comrade's benefit: I'm no fan of the constabulary and indeed possess a permanently-dislocated jaw on account of a policeman's punch. Recent revelations of police brutality and misconduct, therefore, do not surprise me. But nor does the fact that a goodly number of ordinary Kiwis hold them in high regard, a fact regularly borne out in those 'Most Trusted' polls where journalists, politicians, towies and real estate agents languish near the bottom.<br /><br />Second point: I'm afraid, Anon, I know fuck-all about cars. I drive a Corolla. While my brothers (who coincidentally own an HQ) have done their best to translate your motoring metaphors, I'm afraid much of your wit is lost on me. But I don't think you'd care. <br /><br />Because you're not interested, Anon – in me, in Westies, in what we think or feel. You're not interested in the nuances of our arguments because, frankly, you don't think we're capable of nuance.<br /><br />Let's see... we're piss-chuggin' stoners with multiple missusus. We're too thick to have heard of Peak Oil and we hate that laundry list of lepers you listed (incidentally, you left out Indians, Islanders and greenies). <br /><br />Assuming this is not satirical – a dig at Grey Lynn 'fauxilism' – your comment is a masterclass in condescension. So Joe the Plumber's arguments are shit? Well let's just tell him what a dumbfuck he is and ridicule his world view (but then turn around and expect his vote). That'll work.<br /><br />My American flatmate was reading this post this morning and was struck at how reminiscent this discussion is of the US Culture Wars. The disconnect between wealthy, well-educated (and let's be honest about this) smug, self-satisfied East/West Coast liberal intelligentsia, and the working-class, semi-employed, rednecked, Nascar Dad trailer trash who live elsewhere. The latter are widely derided, most enthusiastically by the kinda liberals who regard any gender/race based insult as beyond the pale. Oh, but it's fine – it's funny – to mock people on account of their class. Well. Don't be surprised if they don't like you. <br /><br />And don't be surprised when they vote for whatever party you don't belong to. <br /><br />Carry on like this, Anon, and you'll be giving us 10 years of the Tories. I suspect you'll be okay: you can hold court in a nice, 'edgy' cafe somewhere, but what of the workers and ordinary New Zealanders you affect to fight for? What of the Westies? I shoudln't put words in your mouth, but I can hear you saying something like: "Hey, they voted for this government so they deserve all they get. Idiots. Stoners. Redneck morons."<br /><br />Peter<br /><br />PS. Gotta say this mate... you've got a delightful turn of phrase. Really.<br />PPS. Well said, Sara and Victor 10.54am.Peter Malcouronnenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-26465747268636250152010-03-25T17:09:33.814+13:002010-03-25T17:09:33.814+13:00Victor- I don't believe this is where NZ wants...Victor- I don't believe this is where NZ wants to go. From comments I have read today there are probably as many voters on the right as on the left who want NZ to remain clean and green and in NZ ownership.<br /><br />Labour seems to be in a terminal state and National are only interested in making their rich friends richer. I have no faith in the existing political parties.<br /><br />I think we might need a new political party to address these issues. A party that is not associated with the left or the right but exists for issues like this and has a few non-negotiable positions when doing coalition deals ie residential property and farmland etc can only be owned by NZers. <br /><br />It has been a long time since NZ had a big political upheaval but I think one is due. I don't believe people are as much in love with National as the polls suggest. It is just that there is no-one else to vote for. I suspect that huge poll lead would evaporate if a credible opposition existed.Saranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-22587375130889582952010-03-25T16:24:56.788+13:002010-03-25T16:24:56.788+13:00Victor. I agree Helen Clark's 'oversights&...Victor. I agree Helen Clark's 'oversights' are of less import than, say, Tony Blair and his WMDs, but then I'm one of the already converted. What matters, in a democracy, is what our 'less enlightened' comrades think.<br /><br />Hard as it may be for 'the enlightened' to appreciate, a great number of ordinary Kiwis bought the Crosby/Textor 'It's time for a change' mantra, hook, line etc. Many of them loathed Clark. <br /><br />While I thought their hatred was disproportionate to Clark's 'crimes' - and disliked the sexist tone that frequently clouded their critique - they weren't always wrong. Consider, for instance, the selling-out of the cops - and then imagine how Key might've handled it.<br /><br />A smile and a wave (of course) and then: "I'm sorry about this. I knew we were going faster than we should've: my people were doing all they could to get me to my flight. These officers are extremely skilled men and women and I can assure you the public was not placed at risk: nevertheless I think it's important that we all follow the same rules. Even if it means missing watching us whip the Aussies (smile)... It won't happen again."<br /><br />Key's repeatedly demonstrated a willingness to shrug the shoulders and say sorry when he's fucked up, something that seemed beyond Clark. Which, sadly, ensured her minor fuck-ups became major (while missing an opportunity to endear herself to the electorate with a dash of humility and self-deprecation).<br /><br />Now I'm not suggesting - as Anonymous 11.00pm seems to infer - that you sacrifice all principle on the populist pyre. That you countenance appalling redneckery, racism etc just because there are votes in it. Not at all. But you have to understand where these people - and I'm talking here of half the country - are coming from. <br /><br />Why did the Crosby/Textor attack lines find such willing ears? Why do ordinary battlers get so worked up about paintings, motorcades and showerheads? Why do so many working-class people, as Matt alludes to in his post, side with the party of bosses, farmers and exploiters?<br /><br />Above all, why do the New Zealand proletariat not see things as clearly as us, their wise, enlightened "right-on" vanguard? Why won't THEY listen to us? <br /><br />My argument - and I think Chris's too - is that the modern Labour Party is seriously out of step with its base. It's not presenting a credible, principled alternative: it's just as reactive, spin-driven and short-termist as the Tories (witness the imbecilic 'Axe the Tax' campaign: is Labour really gonna abolish the tax they introduced?).<br /><br />While the full nastiness of National's agenda is, thankfully, starting to materialise, I'd love to vote for something, rather than to thwart something worse. I'll knock on a hundred doors, write 1000 letters, deliver 10,000 more for a party that represents me and my people. And listens TO us.<br /><br />Yes, to us, the humble Westie that Anonymous 11.00pm despises. But I shall return to Anon in a moment.<br /><br />Victor, I can get very depressed at the gullibility of the electorate, the betrayal of the 'New Zealand dream', the complicity of corporate-controlled media (even as a sometime journo, I've been staggered at the obsequience of our newspaper op-ed writers re: mining/whaling/welfare... these editorials read as if they're written by the same hand). I wish some of the more "aspirational" Westies were more community-minded. I wish some had a better attitude to non-human species. I wish some were a little less ready to rip up orchards and plant leaky, Legoland faux-pillared monstrosities in their place. <br /><br />But do I let this demoralise me, perhaps withdraw to the hills, ditch the TV, grow my veggies and live as a hermit with a small carbon-footprint? It's tempting.<br /><br />But, no, that's not the social democratic way. We're outward-looking, forward-thinking idealists who see a world of possibilities. A world far too precious to leave to the Tories.Peter Malcouronnenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-63924300856686096222010-03-25T11:52:09.051+13:002010-03-25T11:52:09.051+13:00I googled Bill Sutch (sadly my knowledge of NZ pol...I googled Bill Sutch (sadly my knowledge of NZ politics only goes back around 25 years). Clearly a prescient man who worked in the best interests of the NZ people. <br /><br />Through my search I also discovered we still have a CAFCA (Campaign Against Foreign Control of Aotearoa). Their analysis of the decisions made by the Overseas Investment Office makes interesting reading. It seems that Overseas Investment Office has been freely allowing the sale of productive land to overseas interests.<br /><br />This is a hot issue in the comments section over at Stuff and their poll is running 82% against the sale of our farms to overseas interests. What I didn't know until this morning (and I'm sure most people don't know) is that the sale of our farmland to foreign countries is an everyday event.I'm sure people would like to know just how lax the rules are around farm sales etc.<br /><br />There must be many votes in this issue. A rebel within the ranks of Labour who was prepared to run with this issue could do very well for themselves. <br /><br />I have serious doubts about the intellectual grunt of many of the Labour politicians though. I watched with dismay as Annette King scored an own goal on the news last night. Bandstanding on the Attorney General report on the proposed welfare reforms only guaranteed that the widows benefit etc will be the next to go. <br /><br />Labour at the moment seem to be regularly on the wrong side of public opinion. Going into part time work when your child is 6 would seem quite reasonable to most people- it is the norm now for women to re-enter the workforce after taking a break to have a child. <br /><br />Labour need to pick their issues much more carefully otherwise they just look foolish and then people refuse to listen to them on any issue.Saranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-42802307007035383722010-03-25T10:54:32.251+13:002010-03-25T10:54:32.251+13:00Five inter-related phenomena are taking place in o...Five inter-related phenomena are taking place in our economy at present:<br /><br />1. A new emphasis on the extraction and exploitation of natural resources<br /><br />2. Decreasing concern over the environmental consequences thereof <br /><br />3. A downplaying of our "Clean Green" brand and of the significance of environmentally-sensitive markets <br /><br />4. The sell-off of farmland to foreign owners, apparently from a country with shockingly poor records of food safety and animal welfare<br /><br />5. Corporatisation of the body politic <br /><br />It may be that there's not much life left in "Clean, Green" because of the air miles issue and because our performance always fell short of our image. <br /><br />But it's absurd to jump from "100% Pure" to filling Southland with Lignite slag heaps reminiscent of the former East Germany or to farms pumping out ever lower quality foodstuffs. <br /><br />Is this a direction in which New Zealanders really want to go? If not, there's a complex of quite tangible issues here around which opposition to the National Party can be built.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-53510436934382071712010-03-25T10:15:46.796+13:002010-03-25T10:15:46.796+13:00Yep, literally selling off the whanau silver and t...Yep, literally selling off the whanau silver <em>and</em> the farm now. Even Joe the plumber might get that. Get hysterical Phil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-83056409005425897642010-03-25T10:03:28.401+13:002010-03-25T10:03:28.401+13:00It makes me angry, too, Sara.
Labour's fetish...It makes me angry, too, Sara.<br /><br />Labour's fetish for "Free" Trade and Foreign Direct Investment - a hangover from the days of Rogernomics - will become an increasingly problematic road-block to electoral recovery as the months go by.<br /><br />Because both manifestations of the Neoliberal Order are bound to increase in political salience as the 2011 General Election draws nigh.<br /><br />What Labour desperately needs are two or three "rebels in the ranks" around whom rank-and-file opposition can cohere to fight what the late Bill Sutch called "Takeover New Zealand".Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-5823010155723845322010-03-25T09:08:41.097+13:002010-03-25T09:08:41.097+13:00Off the subject of Westies, I see in the news anot...Off the subject of Westies, I see in the news another attempt is being made by overseas interests to buy up large amounts of our farm land. I am seeing a great deal of opposition to this idea on the net- New Zealanders feel passionately about the land. <br /><br />I go over to Red Alert and there is is nothing about this issue at all. Labour should be all over this but they are strangely quiet.The sale of our land to overseas interests is the sale of our future as a country.<br /><br />It just seems that the people in Labour are so caught up in petty issues they are completely missing the big picture. <br /><br />I would have thought an issue like this could draw a big dividing line between National and Labour. Labour need to come out and say that they will tighten rules on overseas ownership if they get into power, and farmland sold under National to foreign interests will be confiscated by an incoming Labour government. They need to say that National might be prepared to sell off NZ to the highest bidder, but Labour represents the interests of NZ citizens and will keep NZ for NZers.<br /><br />Why won't Labour stand up for us? It makes me so angry.Saranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-51963461394286948602010-03-25T08:56:06.594+13:002010-03-25T08:56:06.594+13:00Bullshit? Stereotyping? Closet Racism? White Victi...Bullshit? Stereotyping? Closet Racism? White Victimhood? You're right Bagger - and isn't it shocking! I mean, it's not as if any of these attitudes are strongly represented in the electorate. <br /><br />It amazes me that these wretched people just can't seem to get it through their thick skulls that everybody who matters in Waitakere thinks exactly like we do. <br /><br />Why, oh why, are they so blind? <br /><br />Sob. Sniffle. Sigh.Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-76238286719885372072010-03-25T00:20:23.320+13:002010-03-25T00:20:23.320+13:00There is enough bullshit stereotyping, closet raci...There is enough bullshit stereotyping, closet racism and white victimhood here to fill your average Tea Party gathering.<br /><br />And it's not just the commenters.<br /><br />- BaggerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-52197667931550278322010-03-24T23:00:21.552+13:002010-03-24T23:00:21.552+13:00In Joe's opinion, Clark had hung those loyal c...<em>In Joe's opinion, Clark had hung those loyal cops out to dry and that was unforgiveable.</em><br /><br />Hmmmmmm....so <em>that</em> was the gamebreaker? "Disloyalty"? To <em>cops?</em>. From good 'ole HQ-vs-XA piss chuggin' spliff tokin' cop-slaggin' <em>Joe?</em> <br /><br />Gis a break, Peter. Oh sure, he said it, but you both knew he was selling a run big-end as piston-slap.<br /><br />By the way, how's his missus? Yeah, the current one - things getting a bit iffy lately you say? Funny that, been a bit of that around lately, ever since, oh, ever since Helen started fading from the news. Not so many lesbian bitch texts to put him in a good mood I guess.<br /><br />It's not rocket science, Peter, remember Tech one: it's always the basics. Spark, fuel, compression, timing. <br /><br />And spark and compression are given, with the news owned by tories.<br /><br />Fuel's an interesting one, heard of peak oil? Jews, crips, chinks, catholics, poofs, commies (wee bit left), mowries (nearly fired up in 05, but timing out a full stroke) - all gone or going, Peter. <br /><br />Nope, what got the old blue flame snorting in '07-08 was the tin-arse barn-find of a hidden cache of Misogeny 73 from the '50s or '60s: looked a north-of-fifty picture rattling over the line with it's shiny new $50m shellac - but hasn't done much since.<br /> <br />Great nostalgia rush, these old rods, but it never lasts - and the lack of performance eventually grates. That and the constant tinkering and tuning.<br /> <br />And where's the new fuel going to come from? They're on the last of the Bennie-zine right now. Can't keep running on one forever.<br /><br />akAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-22815747486005128572010-03-24T20:40:11.388+13:002010-03-24T20:40:11.388+13:00Peter
I've re-read your post. I agree about ...Peter<br /><br />I've re-read your post. I agree about the sell-out of the motorcade guys. It's stupid of me to call that an oversight. But I stand by the rest of my argumentVictornoreply@blogger.com