tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post2100894158629694636..comments2024-03-29T11:07:51.893+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: When Sinatra Was A Red!Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-11622207255028624542015-12-24T10:19:11.459+13:002015-12-24T10:19:11.459+13:00Wagner rule. That's probably good enough for m...Wagner rule. That's probably good enough for me – thanks Victor – and a Merry Xmas to you.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-72780619636969666972015-12-23T23:26:09.050+13:002015-12-23T23:26:09.050+13:00GS
I too like his music.
I suppose I'll hav...GS<br /><br />I too like his music. <br /><br />I suppose I'll have to apply my Wagner rule.<br /><br /> This states that you should only be put off someone's music by their ideas, if those ideas are somehow integral to the music.<br /><br />Eric survives this test. Wagner doesn't. Barenboim wouldn't agree with me.<br /><br />Enjoy the Solstice!Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-56093652603815613342015-12-23T13:23:54.348+13:002015-12-23T13:23:54.348+13:00Er... Clapton being a kipper pains me Victor, not ...Er... Clapton being a kipper pains me Victor, not you refusing to hang on my every word :-). No one is done that since my son was very young. Apparently people used to think he had reformed, because he didn't say much after the original rant in or around 1978. But he's repeated it several times in the last 10 years or so. Sad really, because I really like his music.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-75138081074394217262015-12-23T08:51:18.306+13:002015-12-23T08:51:18.306+13:00GS
Although I pay you considerable attention, it&...GS<br /><br />Although I pay you considerable attention, it's fair to say that I don't invariably hang on your every word. <br /><br />I suspect, though, that you're sufficiently robust to cope with this. Please don't go all weepy on us.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-47754383179634256182015-12-23T07:53:00.235+13:002015-12-23T07:53:00.235+13:00I see you're right into the spirit of Christma...I see you're right into the spirit of Christmas jigsaw. And Clapton is perfectly capable of answering back, because he still alive. You can hear him railing about the blacks and so on, on you tube I do believe. You can also see Sinatra there :-).Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-19029559927257378682015-12-22T13:19:20.519+13:002015-12-22T13:19:20.519+13:00Who's Eric Clapton for god's sake? Certain...Who's Eric Clapton for god's sake? Certainly not someone to be mentioned in the same breath as Sinatra. Seems that world is divided for you Gorilla Sturgeon but then that's to be expected with your ego I guess.....I have no doubt that you will find others who are dead to use as hooks to hang your left wing nastiness on. The fact that they can't answer back doesn't deter you.Jigsawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13906156865367357834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-27647244707507286842015-12-20T13:53:50.114+13:002015-12-20T13:53:50.114+13:00You haven't been paying attention Victor. Chri...You haven't been paying attention Victor. Chris wrote something about Eric some months ago and I mentioned it then :-). I must say, it pains me.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-86646603885827177232015-12-19T14:16:09.907+13:002015-12-19T14:16:09.907+13:00GS
I didn't know Eric was now a Kipper.
Coul...GS<br /><br />I didn't know Eric was now a Kipper.<br /><br />Couldn't you have kept quiet about it?<br /><br />Why spoil my enjoyment?Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-3778339722636169332015-12-19T08:18:41.145+13:002015-12-19T08:18:41.145+13:00They're completely great. Awesome decision!They're completely great. Awesome decision! Vector Pathhttp://www.clippingpathoutsource.com/servicesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-28968151848953802992015-12-18T17:51:15.696+13:002015-12-18T17:51:15.696+13:00Anyway, it just occurred to me that the extreme ri...Anyway, it just occurred to me that the extreme right seems to have Eric Clapton. He's a Kipper. Sad that. But there you go jigsaw, you lot have got a real musician :-).Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-22958571335162739582015-12-15T13:45:33.682+13:002015-12-15T13:45:33.682+13:00"what crap it is."
Evidence?? Not that I..."what crap it is."<br />Evidence?? Not that I really care mind. My MOTHER liked Frank Sinatra.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-59290634304826533562015-12-14T19:53:35.231+13:002015-12-14T19:53:35.231+13:00Seems there is almost no one that the left won'...Seems there is almost no one that the left won't use after they are dead for their own devious political ends. I guess they are not around to say what crap it is.Jigsawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13906156865367357834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-7961761687012965742015-12-14T14:23:30.892+13:002015-12-14T14:23:30.892+13:00Nick J
I'm not sure it was ideological.
I s...Nick J<br /><br />I'm not sure it was ideological. <br /><br />I suspect he hated that song because it was truly awful, both musically and in terms of the quality of its lyrics.<br /><br />This was a guy who had cut his teeth on the Gershwins, Cole Porter, Rogers & Hart, Harold Arlen, Hoagy Carmichael, Sammy Cahn/Jimmy van Heusen et al.....every one of them an absolute master of their genre. <br /><br />But, as he and his audience grew older, what they always seemed to want to hear was the most turgid, lack-lustre and tired item he had ever recorded. It was as if the punters were recreating Francis Albert in their own worst image; tired out, flatulent, self-congratulatory, a mite bitter and with all passion spent.<br /><br />He'd had many a Randian moment earlier on ....but with vim, energy and style, e.g. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-J_ekj7CDwVictornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-20819951899918184082015-12-14T13:58:11.581+13:002015-12-14T13:58:11.581+13:00Thanks to all the commenters for your individual v...Thanks to all the commenters for your individual views and memories. Rounds the picture.<br /><br />And Chris were you able to attend? Was there a good crowd? I would bet it was a great night.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-22857769500944430762015-12-13T20:08:17.619+13:002015-12-13T20:08:17.619+13:00I heard Frank hated "My way" and the Ran...I heard Frank hated "My way" and the Randian statement therein. At heart I think he was a good person.Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-62877590839754791082015-12-13T12:11:13.382+13:002015-12-13T12:11:13.382+13:00Anonymous@7.27
He was certainly a mass of contrad...Anonymous@7.27<br /><br />He was certainly a mass of contradictions and, yes, he did help promote the career of the even more talented Sammy Davis Jnr. But, in 1960, he told Sam to abandon his courting of Mai Britt until after the election as it might impact adversely on Kennedy's campaign. And Sam did as he was told.<br /><br />I think Anonymous@20.31 is correct. Despite his extraordinary talent, Sinatra was an ordinary guy from an ethnic area in Hoboken,NJ. In the 1930s and 40s that would have made him a natural Democrat. <br /><br />But, as working class white America moved out of the old ethnic neighbourhoods to the suburbs, as mass affluence took over and as Frank himself grew rich, he, like so many of his contemporaries, edged rightwards, a process cemented by the inter-generational culture wars of the late 60s and 70s. <br /><br />Yet not every hyper-talented Italian American from the old neighbourhoods behaved similarly. Whilst Frank was staring to hobnob with the Reagans, Tony Bennett was on the bridge at Selma:<br /> <br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K8qIov1lzc&list=PLqr9I4DNz3MjeYX-2VGxVQvgs0VGXS8yh<br /><br />Yesterday, Bennett went online with some very generous and appreciative comments about Sinatra. But I think their generosity tells us more of the guy making them than of the man they're ostensibly about. <br /><br />Even so (and despite his vast personal failings), Frank was a great artist and, to my mind, at his best when he ceased being the hungry-looking young man with the voice of an angel and became the joyously cynical hipster, with the hair implant, perfect timing and textured, layered tones of middle age. May he rest in peace. <br /><br />Here he is playing squire/court jester to the 'First Lady of Song' herself. Enjoy!<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0MBXiN2lo4Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-81644741550380663542015-12-13T07:27:18.751+13:002015-12-13T07:27:18.751+13:00Frank was always a left leaning Democrat (as oppos...Frank was always a left leaning Democrat (as opposed to the reactionary Dixiecrats) until the mid-60s. The big change was him being snubbed my the Kennedys. He went to being a Republican almost overnight. Even then he still kept a lot of liberal views. He deliberately supported Sammy Davis Jr, probably at some cost to his career. He also helped a lot of charities. This from a man who thought nothing of hitting women and hanging out with the Mafia. He was a mass of contradictions.<br />People can like the man's music without endorsing his behavior.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-30177964843529295592015-12-12T20:31:42.200+13:002015-12-12T20:31:42.200+13:00No, Frank Sinatra was not a red ,he was a ordinary...No, Frank Sinatra was not a red ,he was a ordinary person, hog-tied to earning a living like most of us, except he could sing. For gigs and profile he mixed it with the underworld. He danced one foot in one foot out. He sang to a audience. He magnificently entertained. Life gave him earned lessons. Late in life he charged cash for each show.<br />I was saddened and are still saddened at his death.<br />Marvellous and uplifting to see bro Sinatra remembered. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com