Comments on Bowalley Road: Keeping Obama and Chavez on the same side

For those interested, I have posted a follow up/re...

2009-07-03T12:26:51.227+12:00

For those interested, I have posted a follow up/response to this discussion over here

There are times Mr Lolol when I seriously question...

2009-07-03T09:25:46.510+12:00

There are times Mr Lolol when I seriously question the wisdom of affording free speech to fascists.

The Honduran constitution is one of the most repressive neo-liberal documents ever enacted. It deliberately makes no provision for the right of the Honduran people to alter their constitutional arrangements if that is the will of the majority.

That is why Zelaya was preparing to hold a non-binding referendum - to establish the reality of the majority's desire for a change in the rules that govern their country.

It was the imminence of this democratic exercise, and the high probability that it would deliver the President the moral authority to press forward the claims of ordinary Hondurans, that precipitated the coup d'etat.

Clearly, none of this cuts any ice with you though - does it Mr Lolol? Presumably, you subscribe to Henry Kissinger's remark concerning Allende's Chile: that imperialists and fascists should not have to sit back and watch a country turn communist due to the irresponsibility of its own people.

But that sort of thinking only ever brings a temporary halt to the advance of human freedom. After all, Mr Lolol, Pinochet is dead - and Chile lives.

Viva Zelaya!
Viva Honduras libre!

Just because you are "democratically" elected does...

2009-07-03T01:28:23.044+12:00

Just because you are "democratically" elected does not mean you are democratic. Just ask Ahmadinejad, the guy the left supports because he wants to destroy Israel.

The Chavismo cancer needs to be excised, and if that requires an enthusiastic impeachment and the removal of a power-hungry Marxist and the return of power to the Congress and the Constitution as laid out when they last got rid of a tyrant, then that should be applauded.

Chevez is elected, as is Zelaya - Latin America do...

2009-07-01T23:43:50.754+12:00

Chevez is elected, as is Zelaya - Latin America doesn't need or want rightwing dictators again and their military thugs - no need for a return to fascism.

Hi Chris Thanks for the support again, comrade ;)...

2009-07-01T23:03:42.713+12:00

Hi Chris

Thanks for the support again, comrade ;)

Here's some intersting background on General Romeo Vasquez's alma mater, the infamous School of the Americas, now rebranded as the " Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation ".

See you on July 4th to celebrate INdependence Day for Honduras).

Joe

http://socialistaotearoa.blogspot.com/2009/06/honduras-resist-coup-vigil-for-cesar.html

Protip: Manuel Zelaya is a Chavez stooge who was a...

2009-07-01T21:11:48.326+12:00

Protip: Manuel Zelaya is a Chavez stooge who was a day away from starting to establish his very own socialist dictatorship. The military acted under the orders of the Supreme Court, with unanimous support from the Honduran Congress, who found his little referendum unconstitutional, and who had unconstitutionally fired the chief of the armed forces, simply because he refused to carry out Zelaya's illegal orders. The acting President is of the very same political party as Zelaya and the November election is continuing on schedule.

We should be celebrating this, but then since NZ moonbats all fetishise Piggy Chavez and his bankrupt Bolivarianist cancer, it's hardly surprising that they aren't. My understanding is that Zelaya is going back to Honduras. I hope the military correct their terrible mistake and throw him in a dingy jail cell instead of being allowed to become a cause celebre for Latin American Marxists.

Absolutely! Most people only dream of keeping a bl...

2009-07-01T13:11:29.040+12:00

Absolutely! Most people only dream of keeping a blog like Bowalley Road! ;-)

Thank you for the clarification. Though Socialist...

2009-07-01T10:18:31.230+12:00

Thank you for the clarification. Though Socialist Aotearoa are hardly representative of the "New Zealand Left".

I dreamed about Bowalley Road (the blog) last night. Is this normal?

To Lurgee: I was responding to a text message cir...

2009-07-01T09:05:41.382+12:00

To Lurgee:

I was responding to a text message circulated by a spokesperson for Socialist Aotearoa.

My posting was an attempt to head-off at the pass a course of action I genuinely believe to be counterproductive.

To the credit of SA, the plans for their proposed demonstration have been substantially modified. It will now be a straightforward demonstration of solidarity with the Honduran people's struggle against fascism.

If you're in Auckland, it's taking place between 2pm and 4pm outside the US Consulate on Customs Street. Bring a red flag.

Good point - this is not a US-driven coup (at leas...

2009-06-30T23:17:08.105+12:00

Good point - this is not a US-driven coup (at least, not US government-driven). One might demonstrate at the US embassy to support Obama's position...... but that might be a placard too far for some.

Not bad, Chris. You managed three paragraphs, bef...

2009-06-30T23:02:39.100+12:00

Not bad, Chris. You managed three paragraphs, before you started laying into the left. You need to start providing some evidence to back up your claims that everyone else disagrees with you, and is wrong. Simply saying, "Unfortunately, the first response of the New Zealand Left has been to more-or-less ignore Obama’s (and Hilary Clinton’s) condemnation of the Coup, and insist, instead, that the Honduran military are simply carrying out the wishes of their American advisers" isn't really good enough. It's the sort of claim that needs to be backed up. Otherwise it just sounds like you're indulging in your eternal factional squabbling with leftie bogeymen. We're the People's front of Judea, and so on.

That is good to hear, although I still wonder abou...

2009-06-30T21:51:30.667+12:00

That is good to hear, although I still wonder about the choice of venue. Why the US Consulate?
Why not a more neutral spot? Especially since this is the one time in my lifetime that the USA has tried to stop (rather than start) a coup d'etat.

Socialist Aotearoa is planning a peaceful vigil, r...

2009-06-30T19:56:51.006+12:00

Socialist Aotearoa is planning a peaceful vigil, rather than a angry picket I believe. They are planning on taking candles along.