tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post3048807653933941809..comments2024-03-29T17:12:19.648+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Be Careful What You Wish For: Will Lowering The Voting Age To 16 Really Help The Left?Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-11570246264127480352015-11-03T15:08:24.312+13:002015-11-03T15:08:24.312+13:00"And who would want to question the worth of ..."And who would want to question the worth of her work?"<br />Brendan does, regularly. I think he is an advocate of eugenics.<br />Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-56758219775991853492015-11-03T11:15:32.487+13:002015-11-03T11:15:32.487+13:00Brendan
Beneficiaries contribute little or nothing...Brendan<br />Beneficiaries contribute little or nothing? There is no reason why they couldn't be doing plenty through part-time work if the country hadn't been run down to such an extent that most of the useful jobs they could have done have been lost to overseas business. And many bennies are mothers, they have produced children, as your mother did. And who would want to question the worth of her work?<br /><br />NZ has a nasty attitude that lurks in people's minds, a mean, grasping and limited approach linking respect to earnings of an individual.<br />This doesn't take in the wide interests of a modern advanced society with a strong commitment to fairness, and building capacity in an individual. NZs aren't allowed to make outrageous sexist, racist remarks now but they can all turn to a benny and kick her/him in the backside and feel virtuous because of the prevalence of this deplorable gene resulting in aberrant, vituperative behaviour.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-67126577479774047842015-11-02T18:24:06.544+13:002015-11-02T18:24:06.544+13:00t'other thing is that we all pay GST, which is...t'other thing is that we all pay GST, which is regressive and payable when you purchase something and hence similar to the taxes that provoked the "no taxation without representation" shtich in the first place.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-40889971656831738782015-11-02T11:34:48.965+13:002015-11-02T11:34:48.965+13:00I thought it was no taxation without representatio...I thought it was no taxation without representation, not vice versa.<br />Brendon gets it totally about-face. Why am I unsurprised?Richard Christienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-14280502151684686462015-11-01T16:47:05.605+13:002015-11-01T16:47:05.605+13:00Brendan
Intelligence is not what qualifies you to...Brendan<br /><br />Intelligence is not what qualifies you to vote. My late and much lamented mog was rather more intelligent than many humans I know, yet lived her life unenfranchised. It's a moot point whether she should have been.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-54918287138504077422015-11-01T12:39:09.845+13:002015-11-01T12:39:09.845+13:00It seems to me that the only workable criterion is...It seems to me that the only workable criterion is that every citizen over the requisite age is entitled to a vote, full stop. And I think that should include those behind bars. Another reason in favour a constitution limiting the power of government is that no government should be able to remove the right of a citizen to vote. Nolajonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-39381291703438577362015-11-01T11:29:50.058+13:002015-11-01T11:29:50.058+13:00Apparently one of the reasons for allowing 16 year...Apparently one of the reasons for allowing 16 year olds to vote is to try and get more of the electorate to actually vote on Election Day. Civic classes at school would encourage those 16 year olds to vote and they would therefore encourage their parents to vote too. Currently not many 18 year olds, who have left school, vote and also few vote at 21. If they don't vote at three elections they never vote. I read that somewhere!Patriciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01509686441858091630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-64268221109508660902015-11-01T09:13:03.610+13:002015-11-01T09:13:03.610+13:00To be fair, he did say "net" taxpayer.To be fair, he did say "net" taxpayer.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-68870501648656967522015-11-01T07:50:06.876+13:002015-11-01T07:50:06.876+13:00Brendan, you never disappoint :-) – still with the...Brendan, you never disappoint :-) – still with the prevalent and often tortuous ways that many of the well off avoid paying taxes altogether, you might cut out more people than you think – including many people who would vote National. Still, it might encourage some of the well off to actually contribute. So well done.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-71860748119603262712015-11-01T07:08:48.588+13:002015-11-01T07:08:48.588+13:00@ Brendan; Beneficiaries pay tax Brendan, so do th...@ Brendan; Beneficiaries pay tax Brendan, so do the low paid workers. One can argue about their 'contribution to society' until the cows come home.<br /><br />16years is too young to vote in my opinion, even 18 is debatable.Bushbaptisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09657695593141243969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-24609055371276326532015-10-31T23:11:38.007+13:002015-10-31T23:11:38.007+13:00Greypower may take issue with your line of reasoni...Greypower may take issue with your line of reasoning Brendan....perhaps restricting voting to those with a 3 digit IQ may be safer don't you think?<br />pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727942156598555852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-41358481481031047232015-10-31T21:17:09.561+13:002015-10-31T21:17:09.561+13:00Dear GS
You said: "Given my last 20 years or...Dear GS<br /><br />You said: "Given my last 20 years or so of experience with the teenage brain, I think there's a case for increasing the voting age."<br /><br />It's so rare that we agree on anything, I wanted to take the opportunity to endorse your comments. :-)<br /><br />Look, if we are going to give the vote to children, why stop at 16, heck I've met 12 year olds who outshine many people twice their age with their intelligence, insight and wit.<br /><br />I still like the idea of 'no representation without taxation', so if you are a net tax payer, regardless of your age, you should be eligible to vote. This may disqualify an ocean of beneficiaries and possibly many of the lower paid, but if they are getting back from the State constantly more than they are contributing, then it's difficult to see how they might have justification for complaint.<br /><br />Won't stop the complaints mind you. <br /><br />Waiting....<br /><br />Brendan McNeillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741263914308842497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-65642731149610328792015-10-31T20:49:04.908+13:002015-10-31T20:49:04.908+13:00I have less of a problem with the age at which peo...I have less of a problem with the age at which people are entitled to vote and more of a problem with the ability of a government, of any colour, to pass legislation with a one vote majority when large parts of the electorate are opposed. To see public opinion ignored the moment a party is in power must be a huge turnoff. We don't really have a democracy, and maybe never did. Perhaps we should try a constitution which limits what government can do with a simple majority. Or how about a second chamber chosen purely by ballot similar to jury service?Nolajonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-32262151731178524932015-10-31T19:31:38.098+13:002015-10-31T19:31:38.098+13:00All the political parties would run a mile from Ma...All the political parties would run a mile from Martins proposal. It is absolute meaningless to pursue. I question his mental state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-32811291763115373302015-10-31T16:29:57.276+13:002015-10-31T16:29:57.276+13:00Only a lawyer could ask such a question, Mr Edgele...Only a lawyer could ask such a question, Mr Edgeler. Why do you think the upper classes resisted the granting of universal franchise for so long? How people are likely to vote, and whether they should be permitted to vote, are questions that are bound to be asked together - no matter how irrelevant they may be to the fundamental principles surrounding the right to vote.Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-40335629695829827962015-10-31T15:11:29.347+13:002015-10-31T15:11:29.347+13:00…like totally…voting sux
sure our oppressors have...…like totally…voting sux<br /><br />sure our oppressors have gotten older, people that enjoyed free tertiary took it off later students and closed local hospitals by the score, but Bomber might realise that important social conditions and subjective consciousness have changed during 30 years of neo liberalism, young people are now highly likely to have an aspirational me me me, mine mine mine attitude <br /><br />binding referenda and electronic voting seem ideas whose time has come too at first look, but we would likely have capital punishment back and our very own digital “hanging chads” debacle in short order without a lot of preparatory work, you would want to consider several electoral cycles of “civics education” before lowering the voting ageTiger Mountainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-74057444997624512352015-10-31T15:10:44.962+13:002015-10-31T15:10:44.962+13:00When they bother to vote at all, it’s true that yo...When they bother to vote at all, it’s true that young people tend to vote for the parties of the Left. <br /><br />The problem is that they are disenfranchised now. The Left died in 1984 and the Greens who should have benefitted (and for whom I still reluctantly vote) cant make their minds up where they stand.Andrew Nicholsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-63760962363133202832015-10-31T14:30:17.748+13:002015-10-31T14:30:17.748+13:00Let the current ditzies hyperventilate with Justin...Let the current ditzies hyperventilate with Justin Beiber.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-72237944421696446442015-10-31T14:20:24.340+13:002015-10-31T14:20:24.340+13:00Martyn must be trying to impress someone, it is im...Martyn must be trying to impress someone, it is immature and naïve to propose such an idiocy. I believe that most NZ's would have no-objection to a age increase.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-5027871175687018192015-10-31T14:11:46.969+13:002015-10-31T14:11:46.969+13:0016 year olds are children in every way.
Emotionall...16 year olds are children in every way.<br />Emotionally, intellectually, economically. <br />What possible justification is there for giving them the vote?<br />Then (most of them) grow up and get to vote.<br /><br />Bradbury is an ill informed one sided loudmouth.<br />That's a simple description rather than a piece of abuse.<br />By comparison (and at the risk of sycophancy) , though I disagree with your politics, you are well informed an shrewd.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-77497282477398260382015-10-31T13:18:34.416+13:002015-10-31T13:18:34.416+13:00What relevance has the likely voting intention of ...What relevance has the likely voting intention of 16- and 17-year-olds to the question of whether they (or people even younger) should be able to vote?Graeme Edgelerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03928755583921638414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-32725226630035380962015-10-31T11:47:57.606+13:002015-10-31T11:47:57.606+13:00Given my last 20 years or so of experience with th...Given my last 20 years or so of experience with the teenage brain, I think there's a case for increasing the voting age.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.com