tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post3078652025569185732..comments2024-03-29T14:26:19.827+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Is There A “Youth Vote”?Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-35657733318817695242017-04-21T11:37:20.478+12:002017-04-21T11:37:20.478+12:00"Town hall meetings today recall a time when ..."Town hall meetings today recall a time when folks came out to mock miscreants locked in stocks in the village square. Congressmen returning to their districts in Holy Week were shouted down as a spectator sport."<br />Actually, congressmen were shouted down because they are involved in taking medical insurance cover away from a huge section of the population of the US. That's one of the main reasons anyway. All this Bullshit is similar to the whole idea that anti-Trump demonstrators are paid by George Soros. In which case he owes me a few bob. Nonetheless JH, your hero Alex Jones has now admitted to being a performance artist. So perhaps you could not quote him in future? And perhaps you could leave the fascist/racist/anti-Semitic vdare out of it as well?Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-3855435207846182862017-04-21T09:20:06.403+12:002017-04-21T09:20:06.403+12:00Pat Buchanan argues that diversity is bad for demo...Pat Buchanan argues that diversity is bad for democracy <br />"Yet democracy seems everywhere to be losing its luster.<br /><br />Among its idealized features is the New England town meeting. There, citizens argued, debated, decided questions of common concern.<br /><br />Town hall meetings today recall a time when folks came out to mock miscreants locked in stocks in the village square. Congressmen returning to their districts in Holy Week were shouted down as a spectator sport. A Trump rally in Berkeley was busted up by a mob. The university there has now canceled an appearance by Ann Coulter."<br />http://www.vdare.com/articles/pat-buchanan-has-diversity-put-democracy-in-a-death-spiral?content=the%20people%20it<br /><br /> Although the mass media concentrates opinion <i>and</i> power. When David Farrar calls immigration "enormously beneficial", he is (like Jason Krupp) and Peter Creswell not challenging the arguments of Michael Reddel and others, he is speaking through a clear path maintained by the influence of advertisers.<br />Diversity does make a difference however as we have (unspoken) ethnic interests.jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-34112094600569754552017-04-19T19:58:47.952+12:002017-04-19T19:58:47.952+12:00Andrewo/Annon
Thanks for having a signature pen-na...Andrewo/Annon<br />Thanks for having a signature pen-name. It appears that you believe the saying 'that they also serve who only stand and wait'. People who do not just wait for somebody else to do something tend to be useful in society. Those with posh accents may not feel the problems of society in their guts in the expected way; however just the ability to raise themselves from their classy pursuits, whether intellectual or sporting may be valuable to all even if a fleeting experience. Better than never giving a f..k, which is the psychopathic way that many are following.<br /><br />People get encultured by their surroundings, experiences and their cohorts, and just as the wealthy find it hard to really embrace the ways and concerns of lower-classes, those near the struggling bottom can find it hard to get a higher perspective, and different concepts. Sometimes having some posh input with good intent, practical learnings and mentoring, facilitates change and advancement at grassroot level where it is needed and adds some enlightenment to all.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-60883382380244545582017-04-17T15:17:37.800+12:002017-04-17T15:17:37.800+12:00I studied engineering in the early 70's in the...I studied engineering in the early 70's in the UK. While the vocal left were busy marching, protesting and 'sitting-in', I don't recall a single engineering student taking part. On occasion we had to smash through their pickets but we never missed a class.<br /><br />A great life lesson was noting who the left-wingers really were: Mostly upper class kids with posh accents, often educated at private schools.<br /><br />Several decades and a few continents later I find the same is true to this day. Scratch below the surface and you'll find most of the doyens of the left in NZ today are dilettante 'trust bunnies' pretending to be working class. Faux accents and carefully hidden wealth. <br /><br />All that glitters is not gold<br /><br />Andrewo<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-11333288162917952282017-04-13T19:01:52.569+12:002017-04-13T19:01:52.569+12:00"aberfoyle". You seem to have lived in a..."aberfoyle". You seem to have lived in a different universe than the one I remember.<br />Mike's "six weeks" was in 1990. He lost, but he probably saved the Labour Party while doing so.<br />However the person who beat him wasn't Shipley and the victor didn't get a single term. Moore was beaten by Jim Bolger in 1990 and then by the same gentleman again in 1993. Bolger then won again in 1996, defeating Clark, before being rolled the following year by Shipley.<br />What is this "one term" and "three years down the political road" of which you speak? It was in fact a 9 year term in Government.alwynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-68213264065026878522017-04-13T16:43:58.319+12:002017-04-13T16:43:58.319+12:00The Greens are "niche marketing". It...The Greens are "niche marketing". It's what smaller parties do under MMP.<br /><br />There may not be much of a self-defining youth vote in New Zealand. But if the Greens can capture its loyalties, it may well help them gain a few more seats. <br /><br />It's a sensible and fairly obvious strategy, provided they don't scare away large numbers of older Green voters. <br /><br />And it might prove particularly useful in Auckland, where the Green vote has tended to evaporate over recent years.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-85950133349036048902017-04-13T15:51:21.886+12:002017-04-13T15:51:21.886+12:00Mike Moore,that brings back a memory of a man at a...Mike Moore,that brings back a memory of a man at a election meeting and he Mike begging the 22 attending to give him a go.He in his stellar six weeks as the appointed political Lamb to the slaughter,appeared like a man close to a compete mental break down.<br />Got dealt a blow at the ballot box that year,the opposition the awful Shipley and Horror Creach,one term only, got a serious kicking three years down the political road.aberfoylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11484495252081507064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-74080359958184486642017-04-13T15:08:51.013+12:002017-04-13T15:08:51.013+12:00Who cares about universities. One of my sons wen...Who cares about universities. One of my sons went and got a good job,<br />one didn't and did a lot of self education and got a good job without the yoke of part payment of his tertiary education round his neck.<br />Vocational study is fine, add a bit of the humanities to each course to give some grounding and rounding of education so we can get on with each other and get stuck in to some real work. Finding out how we can make real work, whether it's plumbing or growing vegetables or making or cooking food or making music or painting giant murals of politicians or running a recycling tip, the secret is finding how we can all be involved and doing something that helps society function happily.<br /><br />The important thing is to work out the new jobs, how to monetise some things at present not regarded as work, and set up small industries so that everyone can have a skill, and get their work marketed. The enterprising in NZ have had a trapdoor cut under their feet and been dropped into the shark pool of cheap foreign competition. Developing new strategies that look to different approaches in the latter part of 2000+100 is what is needed. Really the millenium marked not just new centuries but a new way of thinking. Those who want to ensure that we all have wellbeing and love for humankind and the planet will show that by going to the young with pilot schemes, getting them to choose which they will participate in matching their skills and initiatives and seeing that they commit to the finish with suitable reward. Leave the market to look after itself, which it always does of course. <br /><br />Build parallel societies so there is one for real people with hearts and integrity and commitment to each other. Then you will have the Political Party of Bremen probably playing Poi E and then some New Orleans jazz and some Pacifica, and all the young people will follow you. It won't be easy, but who wants easy. But it will get young people bouncing out of bed in the mornings with an interesting goal that they 'own' and they will vote for that.Greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-47198307868499504442017-04-13T14:34:03.084+12:002017-04-13T14:34:03.084+12:00Interesting factoid: in 2014, Labour came third in...Interesting factoid: in 2014, Labour came third in the party vote in the polling booth at the University of Otago (behind National and the Greens). With student debt now a fact of life, and the government limiting access to student allowances, the result is that you are dealing with a profoundly middle-class student body. With the quibble that students tend to become more left-leaning the longer they stay. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-38945610665959574302017-04-13T13:07:43.393+12:002017-04-13T13:07:43.393+12:00In many respects universites - at least the top ra...In many respects universites - at least the top ranked NZ universities ie Auckland & Otago - are middle class enclaves.<br /><br />You'll find the lower the rank the more 'vocational' the courses tend to be. <br /><br />More often than not, working class people tend to gravitate toward 'vocational' courses to get a job & not to be educated.<br /><br />University ranking can be found here: https://www.topuniversities.com/qs-world-university-rankingsTopMarksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-35709025027446879152017-04-13T11:56:45.464+12:002017-04-13T11:56:45.464+12:00If I was to go after the youth vote I would invoke...If I was to go after the youth vote I would invoke my Great grandmothers deathbed recollections - because that is the point of it all.<br />...<br />Unfortunately "youth vote" may be conflated with Auckland University's social science snowflakes.<br />....<br />Colin Craig has spent $1m on court costs and his opponent has spent the same. What hope for unfunded positions?<br />NZ Initiative has 8 paid researchers - I ask you???? Katherine Ryan's guest finished with "the banks own the government" [next financial crash].jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-20814683838845687432017-04-13T11:20:26.428+12:002017-04-13T11:20:26.428+12:00Didn't know many who went to university. Worki...Didn't know many who went to university. Working class boys looked for apprenticeships, or labouring jobs with heaps of overtime. Muldoonism followed by Rogernomics stuffed this country.<br />peteswriteplacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474922953916383101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-39939318772937212022017-04-13T09:22:29.931+12:002017-04-13T09:22:29.931+12:00Couple of points.
Firstly there were a whole lot...Couple of points. <br /><br />Firstly there were a whole lot of students knocked on doors for Mike Moore in the day. Many ending up feeling quite betrayed. So it's not just voting maybe?<br /><br />There were also a shitload of working class people, including me and just about everyone in my class at school who went to university because it was essentially free. I don't know what my parents thought about that funnily enough, their ambition was for me to stay at school and till form 7. But they never stood in my way. And my mother saved up the family benefit for a year and gave me the money at the beginning of my first year at Auckland university so I could buy some clothes. Because before that I'd worn the same jacket from age 11 to age 16, and you know what sort of growing you do then. :) I'm not sure what the proportion of working-class students that go to a university is today, I guess it could be even higher. But I somehow doubt it.<br /><br />Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.com