tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post3627371259691525552..comments2024-03-29T00:44:42.046+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Hiding In Plain Sight.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-35336841268982455672021-04-07T15:57:05.786+12:002021-04-07T15:57:05.786+12:00Funny how when a white person commits an atrocity,...Funny how when a white person commits an atrocity, for some reason they always have to be left-wing. Tarrant said this:<br /><br />“The origins of my language is European, my culture is European, my political beliefs are European, my philosophical beliefs are European, my identity is European and, most importantly, my blood is European,”<br />The use of the word 'blood' should be a hint really.<br /><br />He also said:<br /><br />“Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was [US conservative commentator] Candace Owens… Each time she spoke I was stunned by her insights and her own views helped push me further and further into the belief of violence over meekness.”<br /><br />I don't think Ms Owens is a Marxist somehow.<br /><br />Tarrant finally described himself as an "ethno nationalist eco fascist"– he had shopped around a bit for political philosophies. I think he was a very confused young man, but let's not call him an anti capitalist. At least not any more than any other extreme rightist.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-79654716605617452572021-04-07T10:46:34.427+12:002021-04-07T10:46:34.427+12:00Five Eyes perpetrated the Al Noor massacre. A rid...Five Eyes perpetrated the Al Noor massacre. A ridiculous assertion.Wayne Mapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12906396523791648270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-83283104294904167402021-04-01T11:17:39.456+13:002021-04-01T11:17:39.456+13:00Re guns to Whakatane. We moved from the customs ag...Re guns to Whakatane. We moved from the customs agent warehouse 17 years ago and had been using it for 2 years - so the shipment came through probably 18 yrs ago but certainly either 18 or 19 years ago.Barryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14253074798445269827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-30664418610135544882021-04-01T09:34:33.638+13:002021-04-01T09:34:33.638+13:00Attorney General Martyn Finlay said of the SIS in ...Attorney General Martyn Finlay said of the SIS in 1974 that he regarded them as "more stupid than dangerous, wasting time and money". It seems that with regard to the veracity of the SIS work on the Sutch case John Marshall agreed. <br /><br />Seems nothing has changed, same old Cold Warriors running around without a cause. Nick Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12609312325425361413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-21147611591445149792021-03-31T18:42:17.854+13:002021-03-31T18:42:17.854+13:00Timely comment Grey. Couldnt help thinking about c...Timely comment Grey. Couldnt help thinking about conservative authoritarianism then, compared to todays progressive authoritarianism. The desire to dominate remains regardless of view at the extremes. Nick Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12609312325425361413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-66965781569764821252021-03-31T15:27:32.599+13:002021-03-31T15:27:32.599+13:00Perhaps Tarrant could have been stopped if the Pol...Perhaps Tarrant could have been stopped if the Police hadn't so fecklessly granted him a firearms license? But the Royal Commission appears to have found nobody in officialdom accountable and has buried much of the evidence until most of us are dead in any case. Instead they have taken aim at the public's right of free speech in order to promote "social cohesion". It appears critical discussion of religious dogma and the activities of adherents will be proscribed because this has been conflated with racism. Religious extremists will therefore be enabled to police thought and speech in this country by claiming offense. As the Washington Post says, "democracy dies in darkness". Our strongest defense against fanaticism and terrorism is an open society with free and open debate.Odysseushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04745489060434244478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-49927929164722734292021-03-31T15:03:21.326+13:002021-03-31T15:03:21.326+13:00What denial, what cherry-picking analysis, what sw...What denial, what cherry-picking analysis, what sweeping generalisations.<br /><br />Barry - Guns to Whakatane, to Black Power there? Though we don't know, but surmise? What year was this? <br />Geoff Fischer - the reason that Buchanan made the positive statement about how the shooter could have been nabbed, could come from what AB refers to, monitoring right-wing white groups as thoroughly as the Middle East-oriented ones. In fact I think that has been admitted. And the reason why we couldn't catch him is that the intel. bunch need to be more swivel-eyed.<br />And apparently Tarrant was under watch, the services just needed to co-ordinate. (A problem found in USA as well in recent years.)<br />If we have such good intelligence and protection already then we don't need to dig deeper to get more info than we have, which seems to be something you are unconcerned about.<br />And to look at past political action that the PTB undertook is wise just from the point of knowing what has been the default reaction from right-wing elites, it doesn't mean that we should be scared from working for political reform, but should be mindful of <i>folly to work for radical constitutional or political reform.</i> Filly is in the word 'radical'. You should note that point Geoff Fischer.<br />John Hurley - says we have [next to] no right-wing media. This makes all his POV risible.<br />David George - Fluent, and I hope not an advisor to government, it would be equivalent to deciding policy with weighted dice.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-65421519549633816292021-03-31T12:56:08.616+13:002021-03-31T12:56:08.616+13:00I used to operate a small company importing specia...I used to operate a small company importing specialised plastic bags for food packaging.<br />We rented space in the warehouse of a customs agent when we started. We couldnt afford getting into our own building at that time.<br />Being as we operated out of a custom facility we often saw customs officials inspecting imported shipments - usually stuff from China or Bangladesh or Viet nam which was suspected to be declared at below cost - or shipments from Indonesia (where residents could not send money out of the country - so they did the obvious - send out goods and they dont repatriate the money - it stays in the country the goods went to.)<br /><br />One day there appeared three crates - each a different size. The people operating the business always opened goods that could be mislabeled to make sure the description was correct. The description was "firearms". Upon opening it was obvious that they were military automatic weapons. All used. All from somewhere in Africa. All the same.<br />(When I went to school military cadets were common. I went to a school in the Hutt Valley and we went several times to Trentham where we fired Bren guns and sub-machine guns. Bren guns had a fault - they were too accurate. Machine guns are meant to spray bullets around. It was an eye opener to see .303 bullets go clean through half inch steel. I know a machine gun when I see one)<br />I asked if this sort of stuff was legal. Yes was the answer - quite legal.<br />Where are they going ? (I thought who the hell wants 50 or so used AK47 type guns).<br />Whakatane was the answer.<br />Those import papers would have been filed with customs and I have no doubt that when the police said that there was some nefarious activity going on over there that they knew exactly what they were talking about.Barrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-31250839598442180462021-03-31T12:53:05.937+13:002021-03-31T12:53:05.937+13:00Historically the intelligence services don't a...Historically the intelligence services don't appear to have surveilled the far right with the same vigour that they apply to even the moderate left. In the past I have politely referred to this as 'bias' - while not speculating on the origins of that bias. But the origins are clear enough - the far right are uncomfortably adjacent to the intelligence services' own masters.ABnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-81303855301120424652021-03-31T12:49:50.420+13:002021-03-31T12:49:50.420+13:00One of the left-wingers who say that the Christchu...One of the left-wingers who say that the Christchurch Shooter COULD have been stopped by the New Zealand security services is Paul Buchanan. A man who spent many years working with the CIA and who has been closely involved with the intelligence community in New Zealand over a long period of time. His view is based on knowledge and understanding. Your contrary view is simply an assertion.<br />The point is that when the person in question is known to the intelligence services (Tarrant was known to both ASIO and the SIS) then he will be monitored and can be controlled. <br />The rest of your post seems to follow your now common theme that because New Zealanders are innately conservative it is folly to work for radical constitutional or political reform. <br />Actually your analysis is flawed, in part because it fails to account for the profound changes in New Zealand society over the past hundred years. <br />From where would come a new contingent of Massey's cossacks? Contract milkers? Corporate farmers?<br />Who will form a twenty first century armed constabulary to suppress Maori? The closest the colonial regime could come at Ihumaatao was a hired posse of hired security personal of Indian origin fresh off the plane, desperate for work, but definitely not eager to buy a fight with tangata whenua.<br />Neither the private soldiers of the colonial army nor the rank and file police officers are willing to turn against our people.<br />The New Zealand deep state, of course, works within a constitutional framework which would allow it to carry out an anti-democratic coup. However their chances of successfully imposing fascist rule here would be miniscule.<br />We have little reason to fear either the colonialist deep state or their Five Eyes partners in the United States and Australia. True, they may have perpetrated the outrageous Al Noor massacre, but we know how to prevent any repetition. In all other respects, they are powerless against us.<br />Geoff Fischer<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-37823433021385527982021-03-31T12:14:23.435+13:002021-03-31T12:14:23.435+13:00This is a timely post, I think we need reminding...This is a timely post, I think we need reminding of the incipient fascism that lurks in NZ, amongst some, or perhaps many. I remember hearing of the prohibition of giving food to strikers families. And the mounted police from the farmers side. And it puts the Tuhoe invasion in another light - that has so many interesting contexts.<br /><br />I admire Ettie Rout and took note of the conservative and hypocritical attitudes shown in PM Massey's time to her WW1 work. There was an unwillingness to treat all NZ people fairly and support us in our endeavours by the ruling class and Massey and others were very willing to take an inhuman approach, pandering to the upper and business classes, whether man or woman. If fascism is the combination for mutual benefit of government, business and the wealthy, early colonial days were close to it.<br /><br />Ettie worked hard and selflessly for the soldiers health in WW1 but this was not acknowledged, but actually forbidden information.<br /><i>At the end of 1917 the NZEF adopted her kit for free and compulsory distribution to soldiers going on leave. Ettie Rout received no credit for her role in the kit's development and adoption, and for the duration of the war the cabinet banned her from New Zealand newspapers under the War Regulations. <br /><br />Mention of her brought a possible £100 fine after one of her letters, suggesting kits and hygienic brothels, had been published in the New Zealand Times. Ironically, this letter had been instrumental in the decision of the defence minister, James Allen, to approve kit issue. Others, particularly women's groups, accused her of trying to make 'vice' safe. Lady Stout led a deputation of women to ask the prime minister, William Massey, to put an end to Rout's Hornchurch club. https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/3r31/rout-ettie-annie</i> <br /><br />Lady Stout was probably against Rout's initiative which indicated endorsement of sex outside marriage; she had desires to assist women to better lives with more opportunities and was very active in gaining voting rights. There was so much male negative comment about women's suitability that Ettie and her non-judgmental approach would no doubt undermine the idea of women's probity.<br /><br />Indeed she had concern about the male draconian attitudes shown in their arrest of women 'on the streets' who could have their sexual status questioned and examined.<br /><i>...in 1918, she led a protest campaign against a police raid on a Wellington house and the subsequent trial of five women for allegedly running a brothel. Her main concern was that putting the women on trial while the men involved went free perpetuated the old double standard.<br /><br /> In 1922, at the height of a wave of concern over the incidence of venereal disease, Anna Stout, fearing the reintroduction of compulsory medical examination of women suspected of prostitution, published a pamphlet opposing medical authorities who were demanding compulsory notification of the disease. Both campaigns showed Stout consistently following her belief in sexual equality. https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/2s47/stout-anna-paterson</i><br /><br />These matters indicate the class-orented society we had earlier that bent favourably to fascism and away from social democracy and equality.greywarblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16446032317506029251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-69311320235314829662021-03-31T10:16:52.402+13:002021-03-31T10:16:52.402+13:00There is always the possibility of backlash agains...There is always the possibility of backlash against "get on the waka"? I'm not sure how it could come about though given we have next to no right-wing media. Perhaps a subculture develops independently and one-day coalesces into a public movement?John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-1753674602590192072021-03-31T07:58:24.939+13:002021-03-31T07:58:24.939+13:00The brave popular resistance in Hong Kong and Myan...The brave popular resistance in Hong Kong and Myanmar are defined by their governments as terrorism; it's hard to imagine the sort of oppression it would take to motivate anything remotely similar here. <br />The Maori ethno-nationalists do seem sufficiently devoid of reasonableness to qualify and could, perhaps, be encouraged/motivated to go the full destructive terrorist route. Or give rise to an equal and opposite reactionary resistance. The policy of appeasement combined with the promotion/propaganda of Maori grievance/white guilt is working for now but has it's obvious limits. A government, sooner or later, is going to have to put a spanner in their divisive works.<br /><br />The idea that Tarrant is far right is a (deliberate?) deception. He is strongly anti capitalist, pro environment and a supporter of China and it's authoritarian policies such as centralised social and economic control and limits on family size etc. He is anti human in the way that many Greens are - the pathological belief that humans are fundamentally nothing more than a cancer on the planet. Eco fascist with an anti Islam cherry on top perhaps.David Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883628159193125307noreply@blogger.com