tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post3981187043615739719..comments2024-03-29T00:44:42.046+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Fostering Maori SuccessChris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-66330643761469426262016-04-16T13:10:09.182+12:002016-04-16T13:10:09.182+12:00I notice that your article carefully tip toes arou...I notice that your article carefully tip toes around the Maori elite who have pocketed a huge amount from the TOW settlements while those lower down made do. I recall Sandra Lee in the house saying that Stephen O'Regan had personally made at least $4 million from the 1996 settlement of Ngati Tahu - not bad from a corporation that now claims that their negotiators in the early 1990's had to turn their car engines off when coasting downhill because of the shortage of funds. That in spite of the money they were already receiving every year from the 1944 (full and final) settlement.Jigsawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13906156865367357834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-33298916510804253042016-04-14T13:59:17.801+12:002016-04-14T13:59:17.801+12:00Most likely in hindsight it will just look like an...Most likely in hindsight it will just look like another shuffling of ambulances at the bottom of the cliff. Swinging back and forth between the two ideological poles you identify Chris.<br />The conversation Tolley should have had is with Bill English:<br />"Bill -everything you do makes my job impossible. I need an economy with plentiful well-paying work. If the private sector won't or can't do this then the state will have to do it. I know it will hugely annoy our core National constituency, but there really is no alternative. TINA Bill, TINA."ABnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-4230640766171564192016-04-14T13:21:27.469+12:002016-04-14T13:21:27.469+12:00Nick J,
"lack of justificacation. QED", ...Nick J,<br />"lack of justificacation. QED", nothing lacking, perhaps "birds of a feather"?.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-37070192450774915742016-04-13T18:10:41.329+12:002016-04-13T18:10:41.329+12:00Thank you anon for your lack of justificacation. Q...Thank you anon for your lack of justificacation. QED.Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-71848265867534294442016-04-13T13:48:39.036+12:002016-04-13T13:48:39.036+12:00Nick j, 7.47, please read his post again, my reply...Nick j, 7.47, please read his post again, my reply was not pre-empt or lazy, I was playing both the ball and the man. <br />He knows it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-76859037305360714072016-04-13T07:47:52.415+12:002016-04-13T07:47:52.415+12:00Anon 13.43 you cast the epithets racist and fascis...Anon 13.43 you cast the epithets racist and fascist at Peter Peterson with simply no evidence. He has stated empirical facts about the ethnic origin of the majority of needy in Chch. The same might be said of Maori in Northland. Caucasians do not have iwi support or special specific to their culture support. Do you see pakeha maraes in Chch?<br /><br />How you interpret what PP puts on the table is merely your opinion. To label him racist and fascist without questioning what he means to portray with these observations is both pre-empt and lazy. And then to say he is not a New Zealander....says who? It's just more offensive crap. Play the ball not the man. Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-14199715746448953012016-04-12T18:39:43.897+12:002016-04-12T18:39:43.897+12:00I think that having the option of training for a r...I think that having the option of training for a real job with regular hours for the men, and the option of learning new skills in the weekend to widen their employment and self-starting horizons would help the unemployed especially Maori.<br /><br />For young women the same, and if they become mothers, really good care and housing and paid education in childcare before the baby was born, and after would boost their abilities and confidence. Then the education would continue, along with a few hours in paid work to ease them into the work force much later when the children were older. <br /><br />But anything that the present government does is likely to cause 80% disadvantage with at the most 20% positive. White middle-upperclass professional woman serving as a National Party hand-maiden overcomes long-standing social problems caused by previous disruption of economy and society from 1980s neoliberal revolution. I don't think that is a likely headline.<br />greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-51731562995795905602016-04-12T17:27:58.832+12:002016-04-12T17:27:58.832+12:00Sorry I should have read it more carefully. You ar...Sorry I should have read it more carefully. You are wondering if the new policy is based on the idea that healthy environments in the now majority of Maori families might be better places to foster neglected Maori children than their own wider family.<br />And also if this isn't just another old colonial idea.<br />Well as history doesn't repeat, but rather echoes, it may well be related to a Victorian idea but so what? Whatever works from here is better than the current welfare policies which have been a disaster, it appears. Or perhaps they are not so bad, we just have good statistics now and a media that highlights child neglect, abuse and murder. Can someone tell me if as a percentage, there are more of those horrors in NZ now than before the Welfare State was invented, assuming we can accurately measure this? I suspect not but if there are then perhaps it's that that has failed a significant minority of the Maori population.<br />One thing that may get more attention if the answer to your questions is yes, is why happy Maori families exist at all if colonisation has been such a disaster. My impression is the majority are doing fine, so perhaps the answer for those who are not, does lie with their cousins and Tolley may be on to something.Charles Enoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-32832262016363925422016-04-12T16:35:09.306+12:002016-04-12T16:35:09.306+12:00Chris you talk as though we are still a colony.
No...Chris you talk as though we are still a colony.<br />Now I know Key has 50% support after eight years but surely he isn't that influential!<br /><br />Flippancy aside, I probably should read your bit again as I'm not sure if you support the new policy thrust or not. Are you having a bob each way?Charles Enoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-75810660406905441412016-04-12T13:43:45.123+12:002016-04-12T13:43:45.123+12:00Despite the negativity that the posts on the blog ...Despite the negativity that the posts on the blog will attract I wish Anne Tolley all the very best.<br />Anne Tolley is not a bleeding heart liberal nor is she a politician who says money will fix all the problems, she is a lot smarter than that<br />The vast majority of Maori who are failing in our country come from single parent, broken and abusive home life.<br />Anne Tolly's experiment may or may not succeed, non racist New Zealand people will wish her good fortune and a successful voyage.<br /><br />peter petterson, it is a fact of life that poor and needy European folk are looked upon more kindly in NZ society than a Maori person.<br />I find your post to be racist and fascist, you are not a New Zealander.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-57028443970710568702016-04-12T13:41:25.497+12:002016-04-12T13:41:25.497+12:00"What better fate could there be for a helple..."What better fate could there be for a helpless waif raised in an Orphanage than to end up as the adopted son of a well-to-do middle-class gentleman?" <br /><br />That depended very much on the "middle-class gentleman" in question. Working class people of my grandmother's generation viewed adoption with fear and suspicion - they saw it primarily as a way by which the middle class acquired cheap, submissive farm workers and domestic servants, and stories of their cruelty to these children, and humiliation of them, abounded. The nice "specially chosen child" way of thinking about adoption seems to have emerged after WW2, when there was full employment, household consumption was on the rise, and the war had left a lot of extramarital children in its wake. Under current conditions, foster children are likely to become the new home-stays - sources of government funds which help to pay the bills and the mortgage. Olwynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-23453505765118267952016-04-12T13:14:02.662+12:002016-04-12T13:14:02.662+12:00"Logic would suggest that the chances of seri..."Logic would suggest that the chances of serious abuse occurring in a well-functioning whanau are reasonably slim. "<br /><br />It is a bit of circular reasoning surely? By definition a well-functioning family does not abuse its children. Tolley's approach however is going to be interesting. Not sure if I mean that in the Chinese sense or not. Don't have a great deal of confidence in the government's ability to walk that delicate line. .Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-42620087848917795522016-04-12T10:44:49.151+12:002016-04-12T10:44:49.151+12:00No chance of success. Tories don't have the mi...No chance of success. Tories don't have the mindset to understand the problems of what I would call working class people. The majority of the poor and needy in Christchurch are caucasian, but lack any special support from iwi or other groups. 'Settler society' affects all, not just.Maori.peteswriteplacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474922953916383101noreply@blogger.com