tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post4217818146706464803..comments2024-03-28T21:25:08.138+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: How Smart Is Tim Groser? Will We End Up Panning Or Praising New Zealand's Trade Minister?Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-83875041514560884052015-07-31T15:38:19.709+12:002015-07-31T15:38:19.709+12:00Jimmie your faith in Dunne and the Nat back bench ...Jimmie your faith in Dunne and the Nat back bench is alarming...given him of the hair's independence appears sadly compromised and given the quality (?) of the National front bench...hell, any party that ranks Brownlee number three is desperately short on ability.<br />pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727942156598555852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-24345884860793704392015-07-31T15:12:33.028+12:002015-07-31T15:12:33.028+12:00The Herald on TPPA by Dite De Boni was published o...The Herald on TPPA by Dite De Boni was published on line on Friday July 21. <br />First comment at 10.50 am and at 14.50 pm comments are closed with 123 comments, the first of which were positive about Ms De Boni's satirical piece! (I don't know what time it was published - perhaps the time is when the link is made by reader.)<br /><br />And your piece Chris is a lovely little positive piece, you have swept the floor for all the good news editing bits, pieced them together and everythuing could turn out so well. I can't help thinking that the same tone was probably taken when Roger and his Merrie Knights started to feed us the Milton Myths and Randian Raves. That didn't turn out so well did it, as we sink back into class-ridden, deserving-undeserving cold charity and poverty-preaching - so 19th century, but with drones, tazers, and automated clones of real-life cold marble administrators who will be praising good business propositions soon where you have good trades at every port, slaves, sugar, rum all in demand and profitable. Sh.t! <br /><br />I suggest Chris that you now give us an imaginative scenario of how we would manage if we didn't join TPPA but dropped out of the deal that others signed up to. Neither outcome, in or out, is going to be good for we NZers, in the main. Only the Jolly Rogers will triumph on the bounding main. The rest of us will have to learn how to make a flourbag sack out of a sow's ear and a pig tale.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-74422037457176589332015-07-31T12:38:30.372+12:002015-07-31T12:38:30.372+12:00The Herald today has an interesting piece on this ...The Herald today has an interesting piece on this very subject:<br /><br />http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11489469Davo Stevensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-86759352983473833752015-07-31T12:37:00.998+12:002015-07-31T12:37:00.998+12:00No it still has to be ratified by Parliament. If i...No it still has to be ratified by Parliament. If its a doozy you can bet Dunne and back bench Nats wont vote for it.<br /><br />Jimmie Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-23388134559678070312015-07-31T11:46:04.237+12:002015-07-31T11:46:04.237+12:00so Jimmie, we sign blind and damn the torpedos ?.....so Jimmie, we sign blind and damn the torpedos ?..and get out the plastic bag if its the dog it smells like.pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727942156598555852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-54099254638375235792015-07-31T11:17:29.123+12:002015-07-31T11:17:29.123+12:00Oh dear Jimmie, you poor naive fella, once it'...Oh dear Jimmie, you poor naive fella, once it's signed off we can't get out of it without it costing us millions. The question is why the secrecy? That implies that there is something to hide. <br /><br />Key's story has changed consistently since it started and he is still dancing around. Tim Groser is as slippery as a wet eel and he is vying for a cushy job in Washington or London.<br /><br />First John Key said that Meds would not cost more now he says that they will but the Govt. will pick up the tab (the Govt. is we taxpayers). They have consistently under-funded Pharmac for the last 5 years, so they will pay the extra? Pigs may fly but they make very unlikely birds!Davo Stevensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-22169583953654829762015-07-31T10:59:51.209+12:002015-07-31T10:59:51.209+12:00It's not going to happen soon. I noticed the C...It's not going to happen soon. I noticed the Canadian farmer representative in Hawaii this morning explaining how they needed to protect their dairy industry. Incidentally, how come farmers get to go but union representatives don't? That aside, it's typical right-wing bullshit. Competition is great until were outcompeted, subsidies are crap unless its us that being subsidised. I just wished for once they'd stick to their supposed philosophy and stop being so hypocritical.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-16102507833968762912015-07-31T10:57:00.762+12:002015-07-31T10:57:00.762+12:00Just trust John Key LOL, once it is signed we can&...Just trust John Key LOL, once it is signed we can't change it.<br />Nothing to do with left and right sheeple.<br />Here is federated farmers backing up my view.<br />http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/70707583/dairy-deal-disastrous-as-tpp-talks-near-endSamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-39445131967945178882015-07-30T23:47:32.867+12:002015-07-30T23:47:32.867+12:00For all the soothsaying, nay saying, and pronounce...For all the soothsaying, nay saying, and pronouncements of doom stated by many on the left in relation to this TPP agreement, the thing is no one actually knows yet what its final form will be.<br /><br />I suggest to all those who are banging on Key's head over this is to wait.<br /><br />If when the final agreement comes out it shows that NZ becomes the 51st state of the USA then feel free to cry a river.<br /><br />If however the end result gives a big boost to the long term prosperity of NZ inc then this will set back the cause of the left immeasurably as voters aren't stupid.<br /><br />They know a good deal vs a dud and will vote accordingly.<br /><br />Jimmie Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-25173579874463315142015-07-30T21:32:35.489+12:002015-07-30T21:32:35.489+12:00Hopefully, closer to the mark than many rabid detr...Hopefully, closer to the mark than many rabid detractors analyses ! A perfect position to play both sides. Geoffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-78494837586299842692015-07-30T20:19:26.949+12:002015-07-30T20:19:26.949+12:00If Tim Groser was a union negotiator his members w...If Tim Groser was a union negotiator his members would sack him for his imcompetence at the TPPA bargaining table. Being clever does not mean he is not a dangerous fool.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-61836421831585820232015-07-30T19:21:29.074+12:002015-07-30T19:21:29.074+12:00I suspect that you Chris know more about Tim Gross...I suspect that you Chris know more about Tim Grosser and the senior staff at MFAT and as interesting as your theory is I find it difficult to credit any of our politicians or public servants planning and implementing a 20 year strategy.<br />pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727942156598555852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-17525678064767017932015-07-30T17:08:55.951+12:002015-07-30T17:08:55.951+12:00I do not believe that the National government or M...I do not believe that the National government or Mr Groser are in these negotiations to sell NZ out, if it was Labour and Mr Twyford representing us then I believe they would sell us out based on the Labour goverment's free trade agreement with China in 2008. That's when the Labour government sold our Sovereignty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-23488456602784048852015-07-30T16:46:38.927+12:002015-07-30T16:46:38.927+12:00The world's largest economy is according to so...The world's largest economy is according to some, now China. Or depending on whether you counted as a single economy, the European Union. Unless it gets rid of this neoliberal bullshit, America is going to fall further and further behind. Its infrastructure is crap. I can't be bothered going back to look, but I think the figure is something like 200+ billion dollars a year to bring it up to scratch. The market doesn't take care of this until it's too late :-). On the other hand China is building high-speed rail, from Beijing to Western Europe. And outside of Britain, European infrastructure seems reasonably sound. Mind you, the Europeans subsidise their agriculture as well.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-6751995618868602172015-07-30T14:34:38.878+12:002015-07-30T14:34:38.878+12:00I think Chris gives Mr Groser too much credit.
On ...I think Chris gives Mr Groser too much credit.<br />On the one hand our industry is expected to compete with China's slave wages, terrible employment conditions and lack of environmental protection. We shouldn't want to do this.<br />On the other the US is looking for the TPPA to protect it's industry, film, big pharma evergreening their patents etc.<br />The free trade agreements are actually the opposite of free trade, experience has proven them to be of little benefit. Is the dairy boom really related to the FTA with China? It started long before.<br />The closing down of NZ industry is real and ongoing.<br />I am skeptical that a tiny country like NZ can extract any serious concessions from China or the US and I think we continue to sacrifice a lot on the altar of free trade genuinely believing the BS while the larger countries realise that when they say free trade what they mean is protection for big business.<br />As always left and right is irrelevant.Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-77769974669587005372015-07-30T14:24:47.758+12:002015-07-30T14:24:47.758+12:00Do I detect some winged porkines fluttering midst ...Do I detect some winged porkines fluttering midst the American eagles and Chinese dragons?Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-16492020866279056292015-07-30T14:12:30.024+12:002015-07-30T14:12:30.024+12:00This comment has been removed by the author.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-21823242261330860492015-07-30T11:29:10.828+12:002015-07-30T11:29:10.828+12:00a classic example of the loneliness of the “long d...a classic example of the loneliness of the “long distance column writer”<br /><br />a good indicator of future behaviour is annoyingly enough for some, past behaviour, in between pummeling mini bars Groser is “very, very, very” unlikely to favour our nation state above the TPP pirates charter Tiger Mountainnoreply@blogger.com