tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post4433675590576996229..comments2024-03-29T17:12:19.648+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: The Kiwi Connection In Palestine.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-6269866035089564272018-05-08T10:15:54.972+12:002018-05-08T10:15:54.972+12:00Brian D, lest we forget. Chris does NZ a service ...Brian D, lest we forget. Chris does NZ a service in making sure we don't have a lopsided view of what the ANZACs did. Troops that kill 40+ civilians because they are frustrated and "severely provoked" deserve our condemnation. Other soldiers have been executed for much more minor crimes. Just because these troops didn't get punished doesn't excuse their crimes.<br /><br />As for the Armenian genocide, it amazes me to see adults doing what I did as a child. Often when I was being told off, I'd point to my sister and say "But she did...". To my parents' credit, they always ignored my attempts to deflect their attention even though what I said about my sister was correct.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04430437789984170487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-25908770920266235832018-04-30T14:25:38.224+12:002018-04-30T14:25:38.224+12:00You seem to "bang on" about Surafend eve...You seem to "bang on" about Surafend every Anzac day, one point is that it was a very small incident in the greater scheme of things at the time especially when compared to the horrors being inflicted on the Armenians by the Turks. The NZ troops at the time were sitting in Egypt the war was over they were waiting to be sent home and were frustrated and severely provoked, terrible things do happen in war time, NZ troops have been involved in a small number of incidents over all of the wars we have been involved in.You could go on about the few prisoners taken by the Maori battalion at Takrouana in WW2, the Italian troops were given the option of facing the bayonet or jumping over a cliff The reason allegedly that Sgt Manahis recommendation for a VC was declined. NZ troops have been at the sharp end in most conflicts that they have been involved in and have generally behaved well under very trying circumstances, we should be proud of their achievements and the reputation that they have gained for us over the last century. <br /><br />Brian D Brian Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07580866765483648945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-65939024407054587152018-04-30T12:25:16.483+12:002018-04-30T12:25:16.483+12:00This was egregious, but I doubt if there is an arm...This was egregious, but I doubt if there is an army in the world that hasn't done something like it. It just goes to show that the so-called "rules" of war simply don't work particularly well. I suppose at least they give us the means to punish those who break them, which is maybe all we can hope for.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-49347906611074289572018-04-30T11:28:57.753+12:002018-04-30T11:28:57.753+12:00The lesson imparted by those murderous Kiwi and Au...The lesson imparted by those murderous Kiwi and Australian soldiers on the night of 10 December 1918 – that Palestinian Arabs could be collectively punished with impunity – was one the Zionists never forgot.<br />......<br />I don't think we can assume they interpret it like that - people have their own spin.<br />---------------------------------<br />Recently I read an opinion piece in the Christchurch Press about why we celebrate ANZAC day. The writer hoped it was about the dread/evil of war. I think differently (and the same goes for General Lee etc,etc): we celebrate our ability to be the dirtiest rats and come out on top (to live, to kill, to die for our survival). How the hell else did we get here?<br />.............<br />On another note I'm reading Recalling Aotearoa by Spoonley and Fleras. Recalling Aotearoa is literally restoring Maori culture precolonisation and was recommended to me on Frogblog when I harped on about how tino rangatiratanga was going to work in practise. I'm reminded on the 1960's with students all around and a step mother who on listening to the <i>change the world </i> dialouge what say: "you people who want to pull everything down: what are you going to replace it with?". Spoonley and Fleras are happy to diagnose that settler society was a rotten apple, now exposed (history it seems is my narrative versus yours). So now the pieces are on the floor and the authors discuss what to do as though they were part of some socialist committee; you get no sense of <i>but what do the people want?</i>. I'm reminded of jordan Peterson's description of a leftist view of the world as being made up of factions in some Hobbesian struggle. The authors see this as "an interesting time in our history".<br />jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-67697287588219489542018-04-30T06:46:32.592+12:002018-04-30T06:46:32.592+12:00Ditto Geoff, it is well overdue. I don't care ...Ditto Geoff, it is well overdue. I don't care if our "allies" see us as holier than thou sanctimonious softies. We need to set a standard that gives us confidence and pride in our forces and in our international relations.Nick Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12609312325425361413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-32563381895641883912018-04-29T17:39:19.335+12:002018-04-29T17:39:19.335+12:00Good on them.
Kill a soldier and you get killed
A ...Good on them.<br />Kill a soldier and you get killed<br />A perfectly justified reprisal.<br />Read more history.Glenn Websterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16088070187603258374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-69248273101513124682018-04-28T22:19:42.549+12:002018-04-28T22:19:42.549+12:00Reprisal killings of civilians and wounded enemy s...Reprisal killings of civilians and wounded enemy soldiers have been an unfortunate feature of New Zealand military history over the past two centuries. First occurring in the New Zealand wars, they were repeated in the First and Second World Wars, in the Vietnam war, and most recently in Afghanistan. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern now has the opportunity to draw an end to this disgrace by conducting a full and open inquiry into the Tirgiran massacre. In doing so she will indeed become a Prime Minister of whom New Zealanders can be "immensely proud".Geoff Fischerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00509885628971898371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-50656482223403230472018-04-28T16:22:03.510+12:002018-04-28T16:22:03.510+12:00Such words from Pommy colonists.Such words from Pommy colonists.peteswriteplacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474922953916383101noreply@blogger.com