tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post4472997925349123010..comments2024-03-28T21:25:08.138+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Opening Our EyesChris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-34684012457347537582014-07-23T22:03:03.087+12:002014-07-23T22:03:03.087+12:00The most polluted river in North Otago is the Kaka...The most polluted river in North Otago is the Kakanui which has nothing to do with farmers. It has everything to do with a flock of protected gulls defecating in the water. Waianakarua river is still clean. Farmers are now governed by ORC plan change 6A which measures water quality going in and out of individual farms so that should fix problems where they occur.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-38471182215463779382014-07-22T15:04:52.016+12:002014-07-22T15:04:52.016+12:00A lovely post Chris but it is interesting to note ...A lovely post Chris but it is interesting to note ennui's comment - which is wonderfully enlightening as to the strange state of denial we all live in. He comments how much he loves catching trout (a love which I share) but fails to see that his pursuit is no less harmful to our native fresh water ecology as the actions of the farmers he berates - indeed in many south island streams the native fresh water ecology is more intact on the grass choked fenced off streams on dairy farms (plenty of science to support this observation) than in the free flowing brooks were trout predation dominates. Trout have collectively done a vast amount of harm to our native fresh water species - the Koaro wasn't nearly wiped out by just by farming and land clearance trout were aare a primary predator. Fishermen have also spread didymo through the rivers I loved so much and lagrosiphon throught the dark brown waters of the west coast lakes that I fished many devcades ago.<br /><br />We also seem to have no problems collectively living off the proceeds of farming. For every ten dollrs each of us spends on some import from tv to petrol, a cow has had to stand in a paddock all day to earn that money. Without dairying our nation would be in a dire situation as we otherwise produce so little that is exported that we could not afford our collective and rather indulgent lifestyle.<br /><br />So do not mean to rain on the parade and concur fully with your sentiments but we are all guitly and we need to be thinking in terms of answers based on a clear definition of the problem - not on narrow prejudicedarkhorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07473214227760506522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-75495597961475380452014-07-20T07:27:07.213+12:002014-07-20T07:27:07.213+12:00Good question. I don't think that will matter...Good question. I don't think that will matter long term because the hydrocarbons will get used up so not be available. In the short term any raised input costs will threaten the balance sheets. Given debt loadings with hihly capital intensive farming that is far more immediate. <br />Ennuinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-49991674972455153002014-07-19T23:14:58.218+12:002014-07-19T23:14:58.218+12:00At least we have our (gasp) DIVERSITY.At least we have our (gasp) <i>DIVERSITY</i>.jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-83259274457351540302014-07-19T17:03:07.080+12:002014-07-19T17:03:07.080+12:00Chris, you have given me an `aha' moment with ...Chris, you have given me an `aha' moment with this post. I realise now where my love of our natural environment comes from, by a river flowing off Mt Taranaki. Smelling its freshness and purity as a child and looking into its clean waters.<br /><br />I believe there is still hope for NZ with the right leadership. China where I live has no hope left<br /><br />I would love to share this to my FB page but cannot see how to do this. Can you advise me?ShanghaiSuenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-17888860583989975042014-07-19T13:42:48.243+12:002014-07-19T13:42:48.243+12:00Spot on, Chris
We simply have to rid ourselves of...Spot on, Chris<br /><br />We simply have to rid ourselves of the mental dichotomy between apparently "idealist" environmentalism and the allegedly "realistic" over-exploitation of our natural resources.<br /><br />The only economic strategy that makes sense, medium to long term, is trading off our "clean 'n green" reputation. And we can only trade off that reputation if it reflects reality. <br /><br />And(for once)optimising economic advantage actually involves adopting policies that are good for us in all kinds of non-economic ways. <br /><br />Meanwhile, don't imagine that we have an indefinite future as a dairy supplier to China. As its consumers climb up the value chain, we'll face stiff competition from the Danes, Dutch and Irish.<br /><br />May I add that the type of overseas customers most likely to be impressed by our environmental credentials (and consequently unimpressed by our failure to live up to them) are also likely to be deeply unimpressed by our poverty statistics, our record on domestic violence and our tardiness in reforming our animal welfare codes.<br /><br />Everyone wants to believe in Shangri-la. But everyone, these days, is also part of the global village. So we better start getting our act together.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-59042678933815173152014-07-19T11:18:25.960+12:002014-07-19T11:18:25.960+12:00Ennui...the basic premise of your argument I belie...Ennui...the basic premise of your argument I believe is sound ...except for one thing. When that dense energy becomes harder to source who do you think might get first and preferential bite at the diminishing cherry?<br />pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727942156598555852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-59094110524457694642014-07-19T08:41:03.669+12:002014-07-19T08:41:03.669+12:00I never swam, but I used to drink the water :-). B...I never swam, but I used to drink the water :-). But not so long ago my sister called a case of giardia from drinking river water. Jigsaw, you are ignoring more than Chris is. The explosive and aggressive development of dairy farming in this country is basically ruining rivers, sorry. <br /><br />"There's none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know’Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-4029587662344667912014-07-19T07:07:23.894+12:002014-07-19T07:07:23.894+12:00Jigsaw. You miss the point completely with the med...Jigsaw. You miss the point completely with the medieval comment. Want has nothing to do with it. Energy and resource availability constraints do. Do you think the much lower input model of forty years ago "medieval"?Ennuinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-19833235058893448672014-07-18T20:44:11.575+12:002014-07-18T20:44:11.575+12:00I agree that there is a problem but your post igno...I agree that there is a problem but your post ignores many of the really positive things that are happening in the environment at the moment and many of them are gaining ground in leaps and bounds. If you haven't noticed then you really are out of touch. This area has more trees and plantings that ever before and the evidence is in old photos which show the gains that have been made. Many farmers take pride in the environmental work that they do on their farms. New innovations in farming like wintering sheds will make a huge difference. Part of the answer to the poor farmers lie with Fonterra who are the ones who can apply real pressure. People like Ennui seem to want to return to the farmimg of the middle ages.Jigsawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13906156865367357834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-84082931810836026702014-07-18T19:53:19.028+12:002014-07-18T19:53:19.028+12:00Poignant reminder of my own childhood beside the O...Poignant reminder of my own childhood beside the Opihi River in South Canterbury.In the 1950s could swim and drink the water.<br />But as the book Empire by Niall Ferguson reminds us,our ancestors and the pioneers of this Country cut out a living by exploiting what resources they could.<br />The problem is that this type of exploitive behavoir is still alive and well when a new sustainable non exploitive way of dealing with the Earths resourses should be the norm.<br />We need farming but surely we can do it without destroying our Lakes and Rivers<br />Jerry WaltonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-42602365354947283272014-07-18T17:55:38.479+12:002014-07-18T17:55:38.479+12:00A great post, thank you. your 'Rip-in, rip-out...A great post, thank you. your 'Rip-in, rip-out and rip-off' is brilliant! i too swam in those pristine rivers in north otago, i also recall opening my eyes and can still remember the smell of the water and the colour of the stones.that it doesn't look like my grandchildren will be able to makes me furious.heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06362455547932675895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-52504328656060922022014-07-18T14:17:50.109+12:002014-07-18T14:17:50.109+12:00My thirty something kids all had the pleasure of s...My thirty something kids all had the pleasure of swimming in pristine rivers; but at least one of them, when visited a couple of years ago was not even fit for a dog to drink, warning signs on the banks. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-25797344527425896182014-07-18T12:04:02.591+12:002014-07-18T12:04:02.591+12:00Lovely post Chris: I have spent whole summers for ...Lovely post Chris: I have spent whole summers for the last forty years trout fishing, and witnessed the slow erosive degradation of whole river systems from "modern agricultural practices".<br /><br />I do console myself that with time things will improve, but here is the rub. It will be the end of cheap petrochemical production that forces the change.<br /><br />Imagine if the cost of high energy inputs changed just a little. Nitrates, phosphates, lime, etc need to be dug, refined, transported, spread, all require huge energy inputs. Then add the trucking off milk....the energy to pump water etc. Even if the energy is hydro electricity there will be competitors for that energy pushing the costs up. And dairying as we know it is more a spreadsheet exercise with marginal numbers than it is "farming".<br /><br />Oil production worldwide has peaked, portable alternatives are not yet on the horizon, and certainly not in the quantities and in the price range that will sustain the economies of industrial dairying on marginal (for cows) land. I don't need to predict that this industry will crash, it is so blindingly obvious. There is yet hope for our rivers.Ennuinoreply@blogger.com