tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post4795785880102675050..comments2024-03-29T17:12:19.648+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Sorry Winston: Why Labour Needs To Stand In Northland.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-71996898331486941852015-03-09T17:43:59.356+13:002015-03-09T17:43:59.356+13:00Lf Winston comes a close second in Northland the l...Lf Winston comes a close second in Northland the labour front bench may not be concerned but those voters who are hoping for a reversal of fortunes for this government wont be so forgiving i suspect.<br /><br />pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727942156598555852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-53456238218952731072015-03-09T07:17:54.097+13:002015-03-09T07:17:54.097+13:00Well, Andrew is just dog whistled to vote Winston....Well, Andrew is just dog whistled to vote Winston. Seems they're not taking advice.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-7802789865093831392015-03-07T18:04:18.138+13:002015-03-07T18:04:18.138+13:00No conservative government has lasted more than th...<i>No conservative government has lasted more than three terms.</i><br /><br />That's news to Keith Holyoake (1960, 1963, 1966, and 1969), and the Massey-Coates Government (1914, 1919, 1922, and 1925, plus 1911 depending on how you count it).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-85080723683995919352015-03-07T15:03:05.505+13:002015-03-07T15:03:05.505+13:00Did not Kiwi Kieth do four terms,a aspiration that...Did not Kiwi Kieth do four terms,a aspiration that our present leader would dearly love to replicate.aberfoylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11484495252081507064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-41063911481495449772015-03-07T14:55:08.322+13:002015-03-07T14:55:08.322+13:00Bang on the money Chris. At last you realise that ...Bang on the money Chris. At last you realise that the Greens & Winnie parties are your first line of attack. The left should vote Labour, so that includes 90% of the currently useless Green vote. And I think the mostly old, mean spirited nationalists in Winnie First will split 50/50 between the two main parties when he leaves the stage, quite likely in 2017.<br />Once Labour look big enough and solid enough to lead again they will be elected relatively easily. But if they remain very beholden to two other utterly unreliable and widely distrusted 10% parties, then they are unlikely to govern. Even if they fluked it, such a coalition would not last 12 months I bet. Way too much tension dealing with two such arrogant pushy parties.Charles Enoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-75724416454309276822015-03-07T08:30:45.985+13:002015-03-07T08:30:45.985+13:00A lot of people dislike Winston, possibly for good...A lot of people dislike Winston, possibly for good reasons. But I'm not sure he actually stands for anything. Except Winston :-). Still, in common with many older people I will say this, he got me a damn gold card which is more than any of you other bastards did. And he had an excellent stint at Maori affairs before he was stabbed in the back by Bolger & Co.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-34515706364838239632015-03-06T22:46:41.013+13:002015-03-06T22:46:41.013+13:00In all this hullabaloo about Winston, people forge...In all this hullabaloo about Winston, people forget that most people rather dislike him what he has stood for in the past and will never vote for him in any circumstances.Jim Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02233668500637892711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-9040234827856859162015-03-06T22:16:03.384+13:002015-03-06T22:16:03.384+13:00Brendan McNeill I think the political battleground...Brendan McNeill I think the political battleground will be between a conservative in the status quo sense of the word National party and a more progressive liberal reforming party. <br /><br />I think a liberal reforming party will address the malaise of apathy and hopelessness from the likes of poor housing affordability, Piketty -inequality, the slow meltdown of the global economy and so on. <br /><br />In NZ it is the progressive reforming party's that last the longest. These being the King Dick's Liberal party and the first Labour government. <br /><br />No conservative government has lasted more than three terms. Brendon Harrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-82073191791816445392015-03-06T16:55:37.435+13:002015-03-06T16:55:37.435+13:00We'll have to agree to disagree on this one Ch...We'll have to agree to disagree on this one Chris, I think you are picking it wrong. It's early in the 3yr cycle, I think the gains are much greater from NZFirst picking up this seat and Labour profiting from National finding it that much harder to get their programme through, than the hit to Labour's prestige, mana etc by not standing (or standing down) here. Little is going to have to stand on his own two feet but knocking out folk on the same side isn't as impressive as knocking out the other side. Who cares about NZFirst, Greens etc, it's deeply unimpressive to me as a left voter if Little goes after them - taking out National is the prize and if you can't go toe to toe with Key then it won't really matter what else you do. I think you confuse cause and effect. The Greens and NZ First didn't do well at Labour's expense at the last election in my view, they did well because Labour did badly. AndI don't think National came to power in 2008 thanks in part to knocking out Act etc - I think they found a candidate who was saleable, had the best media/political/image strategists money could buy on board, and someone (to her surprise) who could go it against Clark. If they'd had say Judith Collins at the helm, then they wouldn't have come to power.<br />So to sum, either Little has it or he doesn't, and if NZ First hands him a tougher time for Key in Government that's more to his advantage than Little holding the high ground standing a candidate in the byelection.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-19948112547458149822015-03-06T11:31:27.162+13:002015-03-06T11:31:27.162+13:00from Stephanie:
just reminding you, playing by F...from Stephanie: <br /><br />just reminding you, playing by FPP rules harmed Labour in the last election. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-17478129354596913762015-03-05T16:21:17.977+13:002015-03-05T16:21:17.977+13:00There have always been nationalists, up to and inc...There have always been nationalists, up to and including National Socialists, and globalists also – or at least free traders which is about as far as globalism goes really. But it's funny, you only ever hear the extreme right say that left and right don't matter anymore. Similarly they say that the class system is extinct. Wrong on both counts obviously, but it's a nice propaganda tool for them – with those who are naive enough to believe it. It absolves them of having to accept a label. Which in the case of Le Penn is probably a good thing, as she comes from a line of fascists.<br />Of course France has a tradition of fascism, going back to those who use the expression "sooner Hitler than Blum. Who tended to cooperate with the Nazi occupation of France. It also has a tradition of romantic nationalism, though that's actually just a disguise for opportunistic nationalism, which led to their defeats in Algeria and Vietnam.<br />However, just at the moment those in the ascendancy believe in an unregulated free-market, and as little oversight of businesses as possible, by a government bureaucracy that is starved of funds. But there are still people out there that believe the market should be regulated to protect not just the consumers, but the workers who actually produce the stuff the market requires. There are those who know that unregulated markets simply don't work. These things I suspect tend to go in cycles, though I have no actual proof of this. That's just leave it at this Brendan, that our turn will come :-).Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-83474769100490982152015-03-05T14:30:35.172+13:002015-03-05T14:30:35.172+13:00This comment has been removed by the author.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-68993605035575143262015-03-05T13:56:00.683+13:002015-03-05T13:56:00.683+13:00believe the nationalist-globalist is simply a re-e...believe the nationalist-globalist is simply a re-expression of the right-left ....at the most basic level individual before whole-whole before individual.<br />pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727942156598555852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-5650775238816795832015-03-05T11:26:22.782+13:002015-03-05T11:26:22.782+13:00Chris
Marine Le Penn the nationalist politician i...Chris<br /><br />Marine Le Penn the nationalist politician in France recently reflected in a BBC documentary about her, that when it comes to politics there is no longer any ‘left or right, only nationalists and globalists’. <br /><br />No doubt this resonates in Europe where the EU has effectively disestablished borders, imposed a common currency and hoped for the brotherhood of man to triumph.<br /><br />Here in NZ over recent years we have witnessed a ‘rush to the centre’ by both National and Labour, that has effectively rinsed the colour out of both parties. <br /><br />I’d be interested in your view regarding the evolution of modern politics. Is the left / right division no longer really applicable and is the new battleground nationalism vs globalism?<br />Brendan McNeillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741263914308842497noreply@blogger.com