tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post5851002562286822288..comments2024-03-29T03:41:12.499+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: “Nothing Without A Demand” The Need For A New Union Movement.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-77358324618429154332018-09-14T12:32:09.687+12:002018-09-14T12:32:09.687+12:00Peter petterson: actually, it wasn't the ECA t...Peter petterson: actually, it wasn't the ECA that made union membership voluntary - that was the Bill of Rights Act 1990 - specifically section 17 - the same section that allows unions to exist. The right to freedom of association includes the freedom not to associate. The Employment Contracts Act merely applied section 17 to employment law<br /><br />There is no amount of employment law tweaking that can overcome that. And I'd rather we don't have parliaments tweaking the Bill of Rights act to force people to join organisations they may not otherwise want to.J Bloggsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-33004426186531184172018-09-13T21:53:32.186+12:002018-09-13T21:53:32.186+12:00I think that the 'laws' word is being used...I think that the 'laws' word is being used loosely here. When the pay or workers is left to a free market supply and demand situation, and the free market chooses to weight the supply side heavily it changes the clarity and simplicity of such a 'law'. When there are no reasonable laws preventing this action which has many extra consequences, it becomes obvious that there is no law in the real sense, just a term that gets tossed around by economists.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-17126667914551636532018-09-13T08:58:50.551+12:002018-09-13T08:58:50.551+12:00If the goal is to lift the living standards of New...If the goal is to lift the living standards of <i>New Zealand</i> workers then the left should have been supporting the nationalist cause. As it is this is outside the Overton Window. <br /><i>But, as a recent NZ Herald editorial noted, Southern and Molyneux's views are easily accessed online and not all "have a right to room on other platforms that try to serve the public interest".</i><br />https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503459&objectid=12101943<br /><br />The laws of supply and demand work on labour markets - it's as simple as that.John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-38694514879493843352018-09-12T22:29:42.068+12:002018-09-12T22:29:42.068+12:00It would have helped (though maybe only in my mind...It would have helped (though maybe only in my mind, where you are a great orator for the people) if you had vociferated for the nurses' strike/end to budget responsibility rules rather than the freedom of speech thing.sumsuchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03133092096534660472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-35000949167687013802018-09-12T22:16:42.731+12:002018-09-12T22:16:42.731+12:00Frederick, one of the best men of Clan Douglas, in...Frederick, one of the best men of Clan Douglas, including the 'Duke of Touraine' with his 10,000 Scots mercenaries who actually sent the English home, rather than teenage Joan of Arc, in the Hundred Years War.<br /><br />That he had a slave-driver or owner named Douglas is a shame to Alba, but he is one of the best of us Scots.<br /><br />Such fight and understanding on his part. My and my family's love of comfort, unless our toes are stepped on, is delinquent.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />sumsuchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03133092096534660472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-47570658772576306672018-09-12T20:03:22.417+12:002018-09-12T20:03:22.417+12:00Our biggest problem is to gain traction, and that ...Our biggest problem is to gain traction, and that is not easy in a voluntary situation. The ECA made unionism voluntary by compulsion. We may have to wait for a second term of coalition govt with a stronger Greens than NZF.peteswriteplacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474922953916383101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-55503727221244374902018-09-12T15:15:34.952+12:002018-09-12T15:15:34.952+12:00Spot on. The usual suspects are trotted out to say...Spot on. The usual suspects are trotted out to say that it's going to be bad for the country and bad for labour relations and the workers. Similar to when landlords face legislation restricting their ability to exploit renters. It'll be bad for the tenants they say. Bullshit. And if Winston is against it, let's hope those who support him yet claim to be working-class abandon New Zealand first. I doubt it myself, because I can't believe they're genuinely working class. But let's see.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.com