tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post6600450450980042544..comments2024-03-29T17:12:19.648+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: The Multiple Faces Of Radicalisation.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-88074446726204991612019-04-10T14:47:08.363+12:002019-04-10T14:47:08.363+12:00Hi Grey, what you ask I'm happy to deliver...w...Hi Grey, what you ask I'm happy to deliver...when I find it which is not so easy. I use the term "post modernist" as a catch all, it's more akin to the scene in Life of Brian where they discuss which resistance group they belong to with infinite variants. If you read the original philosophers like Foulcaults theory of power, or Derrida you will find the language impenetrable, akin to art critics written babble.<br /><br />The best thing to do is probably to listen to the fierce critics like Peterson on YouTube as they will also point you at the apologists who you can also watch.<br /><br />My take on Marxists and Post Modernists has taken years to come to. As a youth Marxism took mind share with me, for which I will ever be remorseful. I ended up in the Fabian camp that has a different root, Christian social conscience. Not that I'm religious, but Marx versus Fabianism is the difference between the leadership by example of St Francis, and the demand for obedience of St Dominic. The latter utilises force and coercion.<br /><br />At Uni I remember a professor of sociology telling us of the great and glorious things afoot in Cambodia. At the same time we first read Pasternak and Solzenitsyn....something was clearly wrong with the theory. The evidence was damning, murderous on an industrial scale. What happened next was that the academic Marxists quietly jumped ship, no apologies. What they did was a major rebranding. Marx relied totally on class conflict, the rebranding merely replaced Marx quietly with another image of the same, power relationship's between winners and losers. Cynically I suspect, job protection.<br /><br />Under this new academic regime Darcy's relationship with Elizabeth is entirely down to his power and her weakness. That it might really be a story of love and desire is off limits, no it's all about power and victimhood say the post modernists. Maybe but nothing is that simple.<br /><br />I was happy to accept that nobody had a monopoly on the truth and that there was some substance to victim oppressor relationships. What has set me in train against this is identity politics which took me a long time to understand. For example the current "wisdom" insists that there is an oppressive white patriarchy that is an enemy to all, and is to blame for all evils, and that to oppose them alliances with the devil are honourable. Which is of course ridiculous when deconstructed empirically. And that is Post Modernism in a nutshell hope that helps.Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-33331760775389457012019-04-10T14:45:59.908+12:002019-04-10T14:45:59.908+12:00Hi Grey, what you ask I'm happy to deliver...w...Hi Grey, what you ask I'm happy to deliver...when I find it which is not so easy. I use the term "post modernist" as a catch all, it's more akin to the scene in Life of Brian where they discuss which resistance group they belong to with infinite variants. If you read the original philosophers like Foulcaults theory of power, or Derrida you will find the language impenetrable, akin to art critics written babble.<br /><br />The best thing to do is probably to listen to the fierce critics like Peterson on YouTube as they will also point you at the apologists who you can also watch.<br /><br />My take on Marxists and Post Modernists has taken years to come to. As a youth Marxism took mind share with me, for which I will ever be remorseful. I ended up in the Fabian camp that has a different root, Christian social conscience. Not that I'm religious, but Marx versus Fabianism is the difference between the leadership by example of St Francis, and the demand for obedience of St Dominic. The latter utilises force and coercion.<br /><br />At Uni I remember a professor of sociology telling us of the great and glorious things afoot in Cambodia. At the same time we first read Pasternak and Solzenitsyn....something was clearly wrong with the theory. The evidence was damning, murderous on an industrial scale. What happened next was that the academic Marxists quietly jumped ship, no apologies. What they did was a major rebranding. Marx relied totally on class conflict, the rebranding merely replaced Marx quietly with another image of the same, power relationship's between winners and losers. Cynically I suspect, job protection.<br /><br />Under this new academic regime Darcy's relationship with Elizabeth is entirely down to his power and her weakness. That it might really be a story of love and desire is off limits, no it's all about power and victimhood say the post modernists. Maybe but nothing is that simple.<br /><br />I was happy to accept that nobody had a monopoly on the truth and that there was some substance to victim oppressor relationships. What has set me in train against this is identity politics which took me a long time to understand. For example the current "wisdom" insists that there is an oppressive white patriarchy that is an enemy to all, and is to blame for all evils, and that to oppose them alliances with the devil are honourable. Which is of course ridiculous when deconstructed empirically. And that is Post Modernism in a nutshell hope that helps.Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-49573514559580017592019-04-08T10:57:29.555+12:002019-04-08T10:57:29.555+12:00Nick J
Can you give a link/source that expresses a...Nick J<br />Can you give a link/source that expresses an analysis of post modernism for the layman. I didn't realise that parts of the theory could be crystallised as a simple dichotomy of power and victimhood. <br /><br />I put up a comment to Nick J re post modernism Chris. Could it go up even though I hit enter before I meant to and it vanished without my signature.<br />I wanted to know if he could recommend a layman's explanation of post-modernism.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I have been puzzled as to the meaning of the term post-modernism. Perhaps it explains why there is so much wailing and gnashing of teeth from people who have gained freedom and standing unthought of fifty years ago.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-70716237684193076982019-04-07T20:13:38.898+12:002019-04-07T20:13:38.898+12:00Len Richards
Extreme actions bring extreme reactio...Len Richards<br />Extreme actions bring extreme reactions. Your idea sounds like heaven but as I regularly don't comply with middle class notions of heaven I would be excluded. Utopian societies with everyone preaching shoulds in well-modulated tones ugh, and rules against having chocolate biscuits or two of anything one liked would drive NZs mad. We are half-way there now I think and just holding on with our finger tips. Better hold off, and go with 'it looks reasonable' and is it being as kindly done as possible, with practical outcomes and properly costed?greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-17171062015840296882019-04-07T16:46:42.734+12:002019-04-07T16:46:42.734+12:00I am a radical and an extremist. I believe the wor...I am a radical and an extremist. I believe the world is in extreme danger of destruction by an out of control capitalist system. The ONLY permanent solution is the permanent replacement of profit and money as the main drivers of society with a cooperative, democratically planned kaupapa driven by human creativity and compassion. An extreme ecosocialist revolution is needed to off ecosocial disaster and build a people- and planet-centred world. Leonard Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01734106475067415868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-76622945177520582982019-04-06T15:15:20.417+13:002019-04-06T15:15:20.417+13:00Kiwidave, you talk of radicalization resulting in ...Kiwidave, you talk of radicalization resulting in violence and destruction. I see the radicalization of the whole post modernist doctrines being utilised as passive aggression. <br /><br />The standard post modernist practice is to frame all conversations as between power and victim. Of course this leaves no room for constructive dialogue, cooperation, love, beauty, the aesthetic, because according to this doctrine it's all power and victimhood, nothing else. That this warped replacement for the "real socialism" of Marx has become so eminent is alarming..<br /><br />I'd contend that the social grip of post modernism that dominates our social and political discourse is the new normal for radicalization, and that it is extremely dangerous. It will lead to violence and its own form of the Gulag.Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-89737096229409107022019-04-06T13:38:04.827+13:002019-04-06T13:38:04.827+13:00Kerry Bolton writes about that here
http://www.unz...Kerry Bolton writes about that here<br />http://www.unz.com/article/new-zealand-the-criminalization-of-dissent/<br /><br />One thing I've noticed is that the MSM present opinion from a loaded position. They should start here:<br /><br /><i>Much of the blame for this confusion may be attributed to the cultural divide that separated political decisions from public perceptions. Put simply, the government embarked on an optimistic plan of social engineering to transform New Zealand into an 'Asian' country; unfortunately, it did a poor job of publicising its intent or rationale. Under the slogan that a global economy required global citizens, an ambitious plan was hatched to restructure society around an Asian axis. But these initiatives moved too quickly for most people, ignored the need to consult or convince people of the importance of any fundamental shift, and did little to monitor the impact of immigration on public perception (Heeringa 1996).</i> Paul Spoonley - Recalling Aotearoa<br /><br />and finally some hate speech:<br /><br /><i>The influential cleric wrote that the All-Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims was “factually incorrect” in linking the definition of the word “Islamophobia” to racism, and that it was “counter-productive” to do so.<br /><br />“The truth, we recognise, is that jihadist doctrine, goals and strategy can be traced to specific tenets of orthodox, authoritative Islam and its historic practice. This includes those portions of sharia that promote Islamic supremacy, encourage enmity towards non-Muslims and require the establishment of a caliphate. It is these elements – still taught by most Sunni and Shiite institutions – that constitute a summons to perpetual conflict,” he wrote.</i><br />https://barnabasfund.org/en/news/leading-muslim-cleric-says-islamophobia-a-result-of-islamic-extremism-and-not-racism?fbclid=IwAR2sKTVaBWUz90E5-97g3kp6xP7NBO-NmhF59xw2PkTiBpU09GKlCCdl7XEJohn Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-82383179832694791222019-04-06T10:06:37.229+13:002019-04-06T10:06:37.229+13:00Are the people who joined the Baader-Meinhof Gang ...Are the people who joined the Baader-Meinhof Gang really that different from Islamist or White Supremacist terrorists. All of them seem to have been a war looking for a cause. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-71693321489290957252019-04-05T15:00:16.336+13:002019-04-05T15:00:16.336+13:00I had always assumed that when the radicalised ind...I had always assumed that when the radicalised individuals are promoting (or committing) violence and destruction they had overstepped the mark. Is that not the case? The criteria for banning must, above all, be evenly applied and should never be used to shut down the free discussion of ideas. The ethno nationalist Maori separatists? Where do we draw the line?David Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883628159193125307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-30550828785495589532019-04-05T09:36:44.547+13:002019-04-05T09:36:44.547+13:00One of the problems is as I may have mentioned bef...One of the problems is as I may have mentioned before – some Muslim commits an atrocity and instantly it's the fault of his religion, his religious community, and every Muslim in the world. Some white nationalist commits an atrocity, and they forget about the Internet community of white nationalists, they are labelled a lone wolf or troubled soul. No mention of radicalisation at all.<br />Couple of interesting interviews.<br />https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/profiling-white-supremacists-wont-prevent-domestic-terrorism.html<br />https://www.salon.com/2019/04/02/scholar-kathleen-belew-on-new-zealand-donald-trump-and-the-rise-of-white-power/?utm_source=quora&utm_medium=referralGuerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.com