tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post7554518039394997337..comments2024-03-29T00:44:42.046+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: An Inconvenient Truth About Free Speech Denialism.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-59298456006851582832018-07-31T12:19:29.466+12:002018-07-31T12:19:29.466+12:00I have been following you since becoming aware of ...I have been following you since becoming aware of your stand on free speech. But this comment is about what you've said about the Grizzly population in Yellowstone. So far, all I can find are reports that the population has rebounded so far that as to reach capacity in Yellowstone. According to reports I have read, the bears are now spreading further afield, and are no longer considered to be threatened.<br /><br />Are the reports false, and can you point me to other sources please? In particular, to studies analysing the reason or reasons why the population declined as far as it did, and the reason or reasons why it has rebounded (if indeed it has rebounded).<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />JJJohn Johnstonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-33858294477827355852018-07-29T20:14:16.430+12:002018-07-29T20:14:16.430+12:00Sam: People may be punished for speech which contr...Sam: People may be punished for speech which contravenes the law. However society should not prejudge what people are going to say or do. We have to wait until an offence is committed, and then charge the offender and follow due process. That is what we call rule of law, and it is very different to the kind of administrative rule in which a politician decides on often quite arbitrary grounds who may be permitted to speak in public and who may not.<br />You also have to trust in the good sense of the New Zealand public. A few years ago the Rotorua Daily Post newspaper ran a prolonged smear campaign in which the Editor accused me of "holding the city of Rotorua to ransom". This was a clear and deliberate attempt to provoke acts of violence. However no violence ensued. Trouble makers can incite violence among people who are already predisposed that way, in which case you would have probably have violence whether or not there was incitement. But if people are not predisposed, it is very difficult to incite them to violence.<br />Geoff Fischerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00509885628971898371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-56774525390644605142018-07-27T10:08:47.783+12:002018-07-27T10:08:47.783+12:00There seems to be a lot contradiction in this argu...There seems to be a lot contradiction in this argument, from both directions, but I can't help thinking that this does fall into the category of these speakers conveying opinions that could realistically incite violence and prejudice - two behaviours that are not condoned in the bill of rights. While it is generally accepted that should the audience participate in an abhorrent act directly as a result of bearing witness to what they have to say, then it breaches NZ law, when and what is the line? I should expect that if this talk takes place the "crowd" will be strenuously instructed not to kick anyone in the head later that night, but what if someone does act in 3,6,12 months from now. Our law will most likely be unable to exact recourse on these two retrospectively - but will the coalition still defend this stance if it is evident that exposure to this tripe was a cause. We can say that most right (or shall I say fair) thinking people will consign their talk to where it belongs - it could be argued that a reasonable person would not attend, leaving the impressionable or unstable alone to lap up and carry out their dogma. Yes that is at the heart of the argument but to me this pursuit seems like an exercise in our free speech limits rather than an evaluation of this particular case where is it not actually promoting the "right" to hear hate speech rather than considering a dissenting voice.<br />That I've heard several members of the coalition say they haven't heard these two speak and don't know their ideas/philosophies to me doesn't make a point but is rather irresponsible.<br />Will the coalition members attend the talk and then deliver their judgment? In such instances where hate speech is thrown around should a member of our judiciary assess the contents to make a judgment prior to a like event taking place.<br />I wish a legal testcase could have carried out with a different example, because I genuinely fear that this could encourage more extreme views within our society and tarnish our international reputation more than denying their event would.Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-42006251078857482602018-07-27T07:21:45.787+12:002018-07-27T07:21:45.787+12:00http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godzooks/2018/07/firs...http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godzooks/2018/07/first-amendment-free-speech-discard/<br /><br />An interesting blog and discussion.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-2124536228534170332018-07-26T10:35:10.161+12:002018-07-26T10:35:10.161+12:00Kia ora Pat
You criticize Chris for "making c...Kia ora Pat<br />You criticize Chris for "making common cause with people who don't give a damn about free speech", when what Chris was really saying to Don Brash et al was "whatever our political differences, I will stand alongside you in upholding the principle of free speech". It may be that Don Brash is motivated more by political sympathy for Southern and Molyneux than by genuine commitment to free speech. Time will tell. But I believe that Chris is entirely genuine on this issue. He is not responsible for the regime's immigration policies. He has agreed with Don Brash on one matter and that is all. He has not claimed that Phil Goff is a fascist. He has only suggested that curtailing freedom of speech is the first step on the path to fascism, which I believe is fair comment.<br />Our Muslim brothers and sisters deserve all the practical and moral support we can give them. That is happening at the local level right now, as it has been for many years. Muslim men and women assist us in our work and we in turn offer our assistance to them. On a different plane, organizations like FIANZ cooperate with the regime and expect that the regime will offer some quid pro quo, in this instance banning Southern and Molyneux from publicly owned venues. There are a whole lot of reasons why I would not want to go there. Banning dissenting views sets a bad precedent. Furthermore, it encourages reliance on the oppressive power of the state when we should be putting our efforts into building up the power of our own people to emancipate themselves from colonialism and capitalism. <br />One precondition for that process to take effect is that we give each other respect, notwithstanding our political, religious and ethnic differences. This debate is not a bad place to start.Geoff Fischerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00509885628971898371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-50750288721774157352018-07-25T17:37:06.101+12:002018-07-25T17:37:06.101+12:00I stand by Nazi sympathisers Nick. The woman assoc...I stand by Nazi sympathisers Nick. The woman associates with one the worst neo-Nazis in Russia, Alexander Dugin – whose fascism is obvious, though he denies it as they all do. He was an analyst for an anti-Semitic organisation in Russia. He's called for ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians, and is an associate of David Duke (BA) who used to be the head of the Ku Klux Klan. Southern herself as said she was enthralled by him. So yeah Nazi sympathiser, I'm not lazy, and you are beginning to sound like a "USEFUL idiot".<br /><br />And as for my references John, have you read them? I think they show that these views are more than controversial. Particularly on the subject of IQ.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-90549285645880596372018-07-23T20:50:31.973+12:002018-07-23T20:50:31.973+12:00Kia ora Chris.
I see that you haven't allowed...Kia ora Chris. <br />I see that you haven't allowed my comment answering your accusation that I have insulted you. Personally I think I made some salient points. You obviously disagree. Fair enough, this is your blogsite. I accept your right to censor or ban any comment that you disagree with. At a deeper level what this reveals of course, is that your commitment to free speech is not absolute. I expect that you will censor this comment as well. But I don't mind taking opportunity to have a conversation with you.<br /><br />You feel that you have been insulted, so you have censored my comment, and as I say "fair enough" your feelings have been hurt and you feel aggrieved. So how then can you still keep supporting the right of Southern and Molyneaux to come here to insult whole communities of people?<br />Don't you think that they might be aggrieved don't you think that their feelings will be hurt? You know they will. But unlike you, on this thread, they don't have the option to omit or ignore these hurtful comments, and in fact may have to live with the real world consequences of them. (I am informed here of the immigrants who had their windows broken by street thugs in Mt Roskill a few years back when Winston Peters was whipping up anti-immigrant xenophobia for opportunist political gain at a time when his polls were down.)<br /><br />Chris you have made common cause with people who don't give a damn about free speech, who have mobilised to defend the right of fascists' to verbally insult and abuse and whip up hate against minorities and migrants. This same group of bigots have no concern for the humanitarians who want it address us denied entry because of their ethnicity or religion.<br /><br />You say that they at a long as these Humanitarian speakers were denied entry legally, that is all right. You must be aware how biased and racist our immigration laws are. For instance white majority Australia has free entry but brown majority Polynesia face all sorts of discriminatory immigration rules. All these discriminatory rules are a hold over from the British Empire and White New Zealand period when British, ie white people were free to roam the empire, but subject peoples were not.<br /><br />There can be no level playing field in an unequal society. The field is firmly tilted toward privileged Pakaha. The group you have given your public support to firmly want to keep it that way.<br /><br />I think you need to read Te Reo Putake's post again. (Some of the more informed comments are particularly interesting).Pat O'Deanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-31040847502941436842018-07-23T18:23:25.376+12:002018-07-23T18:23:25.376+12:00GS
Your references (comebacks at Charles Murray et...GS<br />Your references (comebacks at Charles Murray etc) do not prove Molyneaux's views are racist (rather controversial). <br /><br />Opinion<br />GRAY MATTER<br />https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html<br />How Genetics Is Changing Our Understanding of ‘Race’<br />By David Reich<br /><br />The point is that the media have drawn a line as expressed by Guyon Espiner: . <br /><br /><i>From Stephan Molyneaux who is the partner in this (I'm looking at a March 18 piece in the Guardian by David Evans , if anyone wants to google it). He is advocating this alt right view of scientific racism in it he argues that social outcomes are the result of different inate IQ's among races (high IQ Jews and low IQ black people). Now is that not the very definition of racism, he's argued that intelligence is linked to race and some races are more intelligent than others?</i> <br /><br /> and as <i>Mediawatch</i> says:<br /><br /><i>Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux probably know in the end its not local authorities’ policies on their venues that might strangle the spread of their ideas.<br /><br /><b>Its the news media that have the power to put them in front of an audience </b>that doesn’t already subscribe to their views – or their YouTube channel. </i><br /><br />In other words the journalists will pick and choose what the public (dummies) get to hear about. RNZ is an Advertorial for multiculturalism.John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-22123644217375731452018-07-22T20:57:33.045+12:002018-07-22T20:57:33.045+12:00"Will your group raise funds for a legal chal..."Will your group raise funds for a legal challenge to allow these people to address us?" Pat O'Dea <br /><br /><br />"....insulting those whose assistance you are seeking is not always the best way of securing a positive response." Chris Trotter<br /><br />So I can take it, that's a no then Chris?<br /><br />If I have offended you that was not my intention. Though honestly, I can't see where I have insulted you. You have joined with known right wingers to support fascists having the right to spout their poison in a publicly owned venue, this a simple statement of fact. If you feel insulted by this statement of fact, this is just a subjective emotion on your behalf. If you feel that way, you may need to re-examine your conscience.<br /><br />I might remind you Chris it is you that you that has started in with the insults. Accusing all those opposed to these white supremacists having the use of publicly owned venue to spout their poison, (inclusive of course of the Mayor), of being fascists.<br /><br />"@AKLCouncil venues shouldn't be used to stir up ethnic or religious tensions. Views that divide rather than unite are repugnant and I have made my views on this very clear. Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux will not be speaking at any Council venues." Phil Goff<br /><br /><br />"Free Speech Denialism Is Fascism In Action" Chris Trotter<br /><br /> Pat O'Deanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-71301314767510470502018-07-22T20:08:31.615+12:002018-07-22T20:08:31.615+12:00GS, "Nazi sympathizers"? Your accuracy i...GS, "Nazi sympathizers"? Your accuracy is piss poor, you sound like a rabid idiot. You could be far more damaging if you were prepared to do the yards and call them out with a real argument. Disappointing and lazy.Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-81747164824050246302018-07-22T20:02:34.371+12:002018-07-22T20:02:34.371+12:00Pat O The moment you mentioned old white men, then...Pat O The moment you mentioned old white men, then black people you lost me. Racist nonsense. I don't give a monkey's what "race" you are, but the moment you prefer one race to another I will call you out as a racist fuckwit.Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-79592979811365996092018-07-22T15:25:53.072+12:002018-07-22T15:25:53.072+12:00I think what pisses me off the most is that those ...I think what pisses me off the most is that those two neo-Nazi sympathisers have been given a work visa. Thereby taking jobs from local neo-Nazis – or is Colin King - Ansell unavailable?Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-56621986684778299522018-07-22T13:52:15.218+12:002018-07-22T13:52:15.218+12:00The Free Speech Coalition would certainly support ...The Free Speech Coalition would certainly support these "hero members"' admission to New Zealand if, as the Stuff story suggests, their entry to this country has been improperly delayed. Likewise, if their ability to speak in NZ should be in any way arbitrarily curtailed.<br /><br />I would add, however, as a friendly piece of advice, that insulting those whose assistance you are seeking is not always the best way of securing a positive response.Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-62779063837075698172018-07-22T10:05:14.715+12:002018-07-22T10:05:14.715+12:00Hi Chris, I see your Free Speech Coalition group w...Hi Chris, I see your Free Speech Coalition group was able to raise $50 thousand in less than 24 hours to protect the rights of fascists to be able to use public venues. <br /><br />At the next planning meeting of your Free Speech Coalition, you will bring up the case of the Humanists who were not even allowed visas to come here and address us, won't you?<br /><br />Maybe you could ask the other members of the new lobby group your are a member of to extend your brief (so far) of only championing the rights of white supremacists and fascists to free speech, to others also denied the right to free speech?<br /><br />Maybe you could let us know their reply?<br /><br />I mean its not like the members of your group of older privileged white men haven't got the time or resources. And after all, your new organisation has expressed a public interest in protecting free speech. (well so far for some at least). will your be extending your concern to black people and Muslims denied the right to address us, or is your concern only for white racists?<br /><br />Will your group raise funds for a legal challenge to allow these people to address us? <br /><br />"Humanists conference organisers shocked at Immigration NZ denials for "hero" members"<br />KAROLINE TUCKEY<br />Last updated 05:00, July 22 2018<br /><br />https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105660382/humanists-conference-organisers-shocked-at-immigration-nz-denials-for-hero-members<br /><br />Let us know your reply.<br /><br />Of course your silence, or censorship of this comment, will be a reply in itself.Pat O'Deanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-74129239748412217752018-07-21T12:57:21.487+12:002018-07-21T12:57:21.487+12:00http://sociology.berkeley.edu/inequality-design-cr...http://sociology.berkeley.edu/inequality-design-cracking-bell-curve-myth<br /><br />https://www.amazon.com/Bell-Curve-Wars-Intelligence-Republic/dp/0465006930/ref=pd_sim_14_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0465006930&pd_rd_r=DC15ZDPYN09S6Z0RK2EQ&pd_rd_w=blorb&pd_rd_wg=8sG1S&psc=1&refRID=DC15ZDPYN09S6Z0RK2EQ<br /><br />https://www.bookdepository.com/Straightening-the-Bell-Curve-Constance-Hilliard/9781612341910<br /><br />At least one of these should be in a local library.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-46066801203356010092018-07-20T14:09:44.586+12:002018-07-20T14:09:44.586+12:00I watched the thing Espiner claims to have. Molyne...I watched the thing Espiner claims to have. Molyneaux quotes empirical studies, and says that they support the inequality of iq results across different ethnicities (for example Ashkenazi Jews are 1 standard deviation ahead). He may be correct, I suspect Espiner like myself never checked, so I don't have any opinion on it. What Molyneaux did say was that if this is true, it is distressing because of what it implies. If, and if he means that he is not racist. More lazy journalism?<br /><br />PS I'm not trying to defend Molyneaux, I'd just like us to be more precise with charges and counter charges.Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-273007526696964532018-07-20T06:22:50.854+12:002018-07-20T06:22:50.854+12:00Jordan Peterson on (eventually) Race and IQ [14:00...Jordan Peterson on (eventually) Race and IQ [14:00]<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MJUhDQKJcY<br /><br />John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-51356241077812129762018-07-19T22:22:12.797+12:002018-07-19T22:22:12.797+12:00Espiner
From Stephan Molyneaux who is the partner ...Espiner<br />From Stephan Molyneaux who is the partner in this (I'm looking at a March 18 piece in the Guardian by David Evans , if anyone wants to google it). He is advocating this alt right view of scientific racism in it he argues that social outcomes are the result of different inate IQ's among races (high IQ Jews and low IQ black people). Now is that not the very definition of racism, he's argued that intelligence is linked to race and some races are more intelligent than others?<br /><br />Brash<br />Well there are some people who think that. I don't think that. I've never argued that for one single moment. But I think we're talkinh here not about his particular views but not defending those views. I'm defending the right of free speech. That's the important issue. <br />https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018653092/don-brash-discusses-legal-action-over-far-right-speakers-ban<br /><br />Obviously Don knows little about the topic. Espiner ought to know that the issue is controversial (not racist). I have yet to see another academic debate the issue with Jordan Peterson. The left are terrified of that debate because it undermines their whole philosophy. John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-42451771385593768662018-07-19T22:17:35.632+12:002018-07-19T22:17:35.632+12:00Espiner
She’s described Hitler as “just a social j...Espiner<br />She’s described Hitler as “just a social justice warrior whose happened to get freaky amounts of power”. I mean does that disturb you?<br /><br />Don Brash<br />Absolutely, I mean Hitler was the most nasty objectionable person. I’m not defending this guys views at all, as I said earlier, I’m defending the right for him to express those views<br />https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018653092/don-brash-discusses-legal-action-over-far-right-speakers-ban<br /><br />You can see what she says here<br />http://frankmag.ca/2017/02/literary-review-rebel-medias-southern-strategy/<br /><br />A bit rich Espiner citing Section 16 of the Human rights Act when he says "you have to keep pushing the uglies" (those to rebel at his compulsory te reo lessons).John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-17985497805735817922018-07-19T20:23:35.400+12:002018-07-19T20:23:35.400+12:00David Stone
So you have discovered the ultimate de...David Stone<br />So you have discovered the ultimate definition of reason have you? It is not going to help you to understand the world or anything in it. I recommend you apply G S's concept of reason. You's is anything but.<br />.......<br />No it is a theory of why we often don't reason well.John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-11103598027342226722018-07-18T23:13:18.916+12:002018-07-18T23:13:18.916+12:00It is fear of being wrong that lets many people ag...It is fear of being wrong that lets many people agree with the suppression of free speech. It is idealogical possession and an absolute hatred of different viewpoints that spur people to actively try to suppress it, the likes of the violent and Ironically named Auckland Peace action.<br /><br />Those groups supporting the suppression of free speech should realise that a counter group will grow in strength. There were aweful things said by the media and politicians about Mitt Romney then 4 years later trump became president; and everyone new he was a mud Monster before he was elected. The Nazis grew in large part because of the rise of the communists in Germany. <br /><br />In NZ the media have been guilty of defining and arguing in the debate as well. They stifle free speech by misleading, they overuse the term far right and rarely use the term far left, in fact up until last week stuff had 58000 pages with the term "far right" and less than 1000 with the term "far left". They constantly label Lauren Southern as far right (where shit stirrer fits better) - a term previously used mainly for neo-nazis and fascists, yet Auckland Peace action are referred as a protest group. Look at the media coverage of the free speech coalition, most articles I've read almost exclusively talk about the right wing backers. They ask an academic that's criticised all the talk around immigration by all the parties at the last election for his "neutral" take on who those speakers are. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-41418010880839085252018-07-18T18:27:01.101+12:002018-07-18T18:27:01.101+12:00Thanks for you recent blogs Chris regarding the fu...Thanks for you recent blogs Chris regarding the fundamental importance of free speech - timely and well articulated. Geez the responses have been 'interesting', if not alarming. In relation, I think the MSM (ours included) hit an all-time low yesterday in regard to the 'voices and opinions' that are deemed important for the public to hear, with regard to the Helsinki summit. In a normal, rational and thoughtful forum you'd expect a meeting of the worlds nuclear superpowers to be welcomed and encouraged, especially when those two countries are arguably closer to hot war than ever before. Instead, the voices we heard shouted nothing but treason, ineptitude, puppet...blah blah. And the US intelligence services are now all of a sudden 'credible' sources of info again! No mention of the influence of the out of control military industrial complex , or critique of politicians that have pursued conflict and personal profit over dispute resolution, no mention of the possibilities of a reduction in tension between the US & Russia leading to a reduction in missile hardware, and funds from bloated military budgets possibly being redirected to social investment. The complete lack of any independent thought, critique, or debate on display yesterday is to me far more dangerous than anything the two Canadians could possibly contribute by talking here. The craziness of yesterday was that actual war (potentially planet ending) is preferable to providing any kind of support to trump or Putin. In light of the MSM telling people what to think, and social media being largely an echo-chamber, the only avenue left to challenge ideas is the public debate - you don't have to agree with the ideas of others, but listening to different viewpoints (and their opposing views) can help to understand whats behind the viewpoint so that it can be addressed, or have a light shined on it for everyone to see its fallacy. Its a sad day if what we're left with regarding free speech is simply the certifiable madness of the MSM. Thanks again Chris speironoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-22674259962627133922018-07-18T17:57:54.566+12:002018-07-18T17:57:54.566+12:00The thing that surprises me most about this whole ...The thing that surprises me most about this whole affair is the number of seemingly intelligent people who appear to have convinced themselves that the best way to avoid extremist governance is to remove all possibility of nuance and question.<br /> Is the opinion of the bulk of the NZ electorate so low ( i questioned it myself until I realised that in fact what i have seen presented amounts to a few score) that given the freedom to choose we would select something so dangerous to ourselves and our loved ones? What better way to provide a critical mass to such a view than to remove all question and nuance and demand an unquestioning allegiance to one extreme or another, for in that most will choose where they feel safest, and that is not the unknown but rather one where the rules are clear, fixed and known..not a world of ever changing diversity and progress.<br /><br />As to the venue issue, it is a publicly owned venue and what right does anyone have to determine which segment of the community may or may not use it?.<br /><br />You let your fears addle youpathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727942156598555852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-39174244364986732742018-07-18T17:54:20.339+12:002018-07-18T17:54:20.339+12:00@ John Hurley
So you have discovered the ultima...@ John Hurley<br /> So you have discovered the ultimate definition of reason have you? It is not going to help you to understand the world or anything in it. I recommend you apply G S's concept of reason. You's is anything but.<br />D J SDavid Stonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-53273247445319429402018-07-18T10:33:07.579+12:002018-07-18T10:33:07.579+12:00I have bad news for free speech advocates. What...I have bad news for free speech advocates. What's happening here is not the usual reactionary antics of thugs, it's had "intellectual" heft for some time - and it's growing:<br /><br />https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=9272<br /><br /><i>The conference, held between May 31 and June 2, was organized by the Critical Race Studies in Education Association (CRSEA), an organization that frequently hosts similar events to bring together an “interdisciplinary consortium of experts who recognize global implications of race and education for minoritized people.”</i><br /><br />It produced gems such as one Dr. Dawn N.H. Tafari happily noting in her tweet that David Stoval, a speaker from the University of Illinois at Chicago where he's a Professor, called the term <i>“diversity of opinion” - <b>“white supremacist bullshit,”.</b></i><br /><br />Or the quote from speaker Michael Dumas, a professor at the University of California, Berkeley: <i>"There is no virtue in whiteness, it is inherently violent,”</i><br /><br />Victor and Guerilla Surgeon better watch themselves when they're in the next protest against racism or whatever.<br /><br />One of the amusing aspects of all this is the way it's moving from the halls of academia out into the real world of standard Leftist autophagy, as referenced in this video of an Anitifa protest where some poor, dumb, white Antifa male pleads his case to a Hispanic Antifia female's demands that he <i>"stop being performative. Punch a Nazi</i>" by claiming that he's been fighting them for months. Her last recorded response:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE_8x2y6CuU<br /><br /><i>You're still white<br />You're still responsible<br />This is your fault<br />You're inherently racist<br />It's in your blood<br />It's in your DNA</i><br /><br />Wait! Who was that historic group that focused on genetic determination as a marker of bad things? :)Tom Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840988228699338463noreply@blogger.com