tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post8044273829161727268..comments2024-03-28T21:25:08.138+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Game-Changer: Laila Harre Accepts The Leadership Of The Internet Party.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-72218887328406635922014-06-04T15:47:59.647+12:002014-06-04T15:47:59.647+12:00As a "Green". I am far from raging.
I t...As a "Green". I am far from raging.<br /><br />I think it is hilarious that NACT have been hoist with their own petard, so to speak.<br /><br /><br /><br />KjThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13583435107822078614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-11060548482594035522014-06-02T00:35:11.281+12:002014-06-02T00:35:11.281+12:00Likewise, Chris, likewise.
Closed and made up. In...Likewise, Chris, likewise.<br /><br />Closed and made up. In this case, the man is guilty, we are his safe haven...ironically and most annoyingly!<br /> <br />Do you think it's right that he disturbed hte peace outside JK's private home? Anyway, last post on this, and best wishes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-91786958818686512442014-06-01T23:59:35.437+12:002014-06-01T23:59:35.437+12:00Actually, Anonymous@20:47, they did.
The EB cont...Actually, Anonymous@20:47, they did.<br /> <br />The EB contributed $1 million towards discrediting Labour and the Greens on National's behalf - a move which neither they, nor the Nats, admitted to until they were forced to do so by Rod Donald and the news media. <br /><br />That subterfuge is credited by most political scientists with tipping the 2005 election to Labour.<br /><br />Furthermore, in our country (and in the USA) a person is considered innocent until proven guilty. In Kim Dotcom's case that has yet to happen.<br /><br />Methinks your mind is closed on this matter.Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-23136919853697889372014-06-01T20:47:06.126+12:002014-06-01T20:47:06.126+12:00but the Exlusive Brethren did not bankroll Nationa...but the Exlusive Brethren did not bankroll National to the tune of hundreds of thousands, and nor are they ciminals of the highest order, ripping off the creative indurstry and beconing mega rich in the process.<br /><br />It's like comparing chalk and cheese. So, the ends justifies the means does it??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-6288099987041340352014-06-01T16:49:29.206+12:002014-06-01T16:49:29.206+12:00Of course I made a fuss, Guerrilla Surgeon, for th...Of course I made a fuss, Guerrilla Surgeon, for the very simple reason that the Exclusive Brethren made every attempt to keep their involvement in the election hidden from the voters. As did the National Party until Rod Donald directly confronted Don Brash on a city street.<br /><br />Kim Dotcom, by contrast, is a model of transparency. His involvement is upfront and the size of his donation has been disclosed.<br /><br />New Zealanders are, accordingly, free to judge the Internet Party and its founder on their merits.<br /><br />Entry into the House cannot be bought for the very simple - and obvious - reason that one enters the House solely on the basis of the votes of the citizenry.<br /><br />I suspect your true objection is to the Left having access to a campaign war-chest of a size usually restricted to the Right.Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-15359690412897148402014-06-01T15:10:07.498+12:002014-06-01T15:10:07.498+12:00"It is despicable for someone t buy their way..."It is despicable for someone t buy their way into the House. Chris, how can you support it?<br />Key will win out of this, Kiwis don't like corruption at the highest level."<br /><br />Did you create a fuss when the Brethren tried to buy their way into Parliament? Or did you keep quiet because they were right wing?Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-10873126321293327742014-06-01T00:39:44.236+12:002014-06-01T00:39:44.236+12:00It is despicable for someone t buy their way into ...It is despicable for someone t buy their way into the House. Chris, how can you support it?<br />Key will win out of this, Kiwis don't like corruption at the highest level.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-31908670559014984102014-05-30T15:43:33.094+12:002014-05-30T15:43:33.094+12:00Mana is consistently polling in the fractions of a...Mana is consistently polling in the fractions of a percent area for support with very large sections of voting public being unimpressed with what the Harawira family actually represents. <br /><br />The Internet Party could have potentially leveraged the Dot Com celebrity factor as an anti-establishment protest similar to the groundswell of "Jedi"respondents in former Census. Given that Mana is so unpopular my gut feel is that any celebrity appeal to a non-political generation has probably just evaporated. Lozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12064567381918975446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-48616356582581674552014-05-30T14:39:09.896+12:002014-05-30T14:39:09.896+12:00Yes, the Internet Party may well drive youthful vo...Yes, the Internet Party may well drive youthful voters to the polling booths, though we can’t yet gauge in what numbers.<br /><br />But Ms Harre’s appointment will also add plausibility to the already familiar trope about the unmanageable coalition likely to emerge from a left/centre left victory.<br /><br />I expect National to make electoral hay from this potentially unwieldy mix, from the apparent cynicism of this alliance of convenience and from Mr Dotcom’s Teutonic origins. The implication will be “dancing Cossacks” in lockstep with waltzing storm-troopers. <br /><br />So, my reading is that Dotcom has just handed JK a third term.<br /><br />In the meantime, my own voting intentions have finally crystallized. I’ll be voting Green in order to prevent the wipe-out of this intelligent, principled and experienced bunch of parliamentarians, even though I’m quite often in disagreement with them. <br /><br />I urge others on the non-partisan centre left to do likewise.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-66944798075734313812014-05-30T11:55:52.898+12:002014-05-30T11:55:52.898+12:00Yes Chris wake up! NZI is actually a well known fr...Yes Chris wake up! NZI is actually a well known front for the NAZI Party of Aotearoa. <br />No seriously, Chris you have blown it on this one don't you think? Enthusiasm for excitement perhaps? I'm excited too.<br />And biased too, very biased. I'm one of those 50%ers who think Key the best leader of the best gov I have ever had and I rejoice at what is going on left of him. But surely Key's mob is very much in the middle of politics now, which is just the place to be. So isn't it more likely now that even more people will get up to vote for him (as expressed above by Skippers) than others on the left will get up to vote for that Dotty-Commie cum racist brown party.<br />The loss to Labour-Green of some deluded, previously non-voters who could have voted for them may hurt their chances too. It is hard to get those non voters out, but why would more be from the far left than in the middle in response to this very silly party jackass stunt? Loads of middle voters don't vote either. Some may now.<br />In the long run it is another nail in the coffin MMP is building for itself. You should support that though since all on the left, except the Dotty-Commie Party, should be in Labour's previously broad church. Or maybe the saviour for MMP, a German system, with a German trying to nobble it, is after all German: A Grand Coalition?CarbonGuiltynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-952885390253998132014-05-30T10:53:10.807+12:002014-05-30T10:53:10.807+12:00This is a creative NZ response to the global malai...This is a creative NZ response to the global malaise that confronts many 'democratic' nations. Namely, the plague on all your houses.e.g US, GB, Ausy, to name a few. The current horse's arse de facto government is dead and <br />stuffed, but is still being flogged as worth a bet. The world awaits ...... Ride on! Ride on!Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07693795352088768384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-7766134555325223022014-05-30T10:26:01.551+12:002014-05-30T10:26:01.551+12:00When you consider the extremely dubious and politi...When you consider the extremely dubious and political malevolence practised by the National party and its extended family of subversive commentators, bloggers and corrupt political crony mates its a bit rich to decry the Internet Party's deal with Mana.<br /><br />Keys comments on the appointment of Laila Harre remind of a the pitiful squeak of a trapped mouse. The National party are behaving similar to the Republicans in the US, and risk becoming a slowly dying breed. Or perhaps they are already there. Katnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-41219978414912600352014-05-30T10:15:27.163+12:002014-05-30T10:15:27.163+12:00Is there a single person who thinks that Kim Dotco...Is there a single person who thinks that Kim Dotcom is putting $4 million into the Internet Party because he favours a left wing government in New Zealand?Jigsawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13906156865367357834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-17615743992653595942014-05-30T10:02:21.603+12:002014-05-30T10:02:21.603+12:00Well done IMP. The objections put up by those on t...Well done IMP. The objections put up by those on the Right have an air of desperation don't you think? The interviews so far with Laila show an astute no-nonsense warm person.<br />And by the way the desperate who try to miscast the post election review as something ominous are just wrong. It rather shows forward planning and every Party would have such a review whether in an alliance or not.ianmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11902680070320957234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-81075074397179421832014-05-30T09:23:25.508+12:002014-05-30T09:23:25.508+12:00@Don Franks - Hah, good call. This whole story doe...@Don Franks - Hah, good call. This whole story does have a large dose of the absurd. <br /><br />Having said that, more unlikely partnerships have been successful before, and if Harre gets in to Parliament she is unlikely to throw the left under a bus. <br /><br />alexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-3178455113971001392014-05-30T07:16:09.014+12:002014-05-30T07:16:09.014+12:00This sordid little episode casts rather a hash lig...This sordid little episode casts rather a hash light on the left, if Kim Dotcom had been colluding with the right (which would have been the case with a concurrent Labour government), this blog would be full of melodramatic huffing and puffing about the 'dark massing forces of the neoliberals' or 'how the 1% run our lives'. Instead we are treated to comically tortured justifications in an attempt to misdirect from the rather vulgar opportunism which is actually occurring. Interesting how selective 'The Left' are with their 'Rick Pricks'.<br />Craignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-801769083277110582014-05-29T22:54:10.896+12:002014-05-29T22:54:10.896+12:00Gee, Carbon Guilty, I had no idea New Zealand Insu...Gee, Carbon Guilty, I had no idea New Zealand Insurance memorabilia was so collectable. I'm sure I've got an old calendar stashed away somewhere.Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-18260180066358881052014-05-29T22:48:30.408+12:002014-05-29T22:48:30.408+12:00My G.Grandfather's many decades of effort befo...My G.Grandfather's many decades of effort before his first Labour Govt at 70 years old suddenly seem a better way than this instant contraption Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-70707002944415342282014-05-29T21:56:29.770+12:002014-05-29T21:56:29.770+12:00Have you not noticed that the agreement between Ma...Have you not noticed that the agreement between Mana and Internet Party expires just a few weeks after the election? Surely that indicates the expediency of the whole deal.<br />I have always been a Labour supporter but the smell of this deal suggests I may have to vote - forgive me - for National. <br />I am surprised that Dotcom has three million to spare - didn't he recently ask the courts to release more of his possibly ill gotten gains to pay his bills? <br />Skippershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00674798072085852560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-32568570165738765292014-05-29T20:48:34.810+12:002014-05-29T20:48:34.810+12:00Well Chris i had been thinking for sometime you mi...Well Chris i had been thinking for sometime you might have lost your mojo somewhere since the '70's and even said as much in my cups. <br />Take it all back and well done. <br />That is the best satirical piece I have seen in cyberspace for ages. <br />The horse trading road to socialism. Love it.<br />If I might edit just a wee bit for the collected works, "an astute German businessman" is in the same ballpark with Sue Bradford's "German billionaire" objection. Lose that and we're all good.<br />Don Franksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-5387233102102796162014-05-29T20:37:07.834+12:002014-05-29T20:37:07.834+12:00Fantastic!
I love the audacity and the genius of t...Fantastic!<br />I love the audacity and the genius of the idea!<br />Laila Harre is an inspired choice!<br />I'm approaching seventy and they have my party vote!<br />Talk about the cat amongst the pigeons...<br />The Flying Tortoisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09212913610390768373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-1075338310680148172014-05-29T19:39:46.864+12:002014-05-29T19:39:46.864+12:00This is without doubt the most extraordinary colum... This is without doubt the most extraordinary column you have ever written Chris! Whatever you I felt that you were at least some sort of realist! My suggestion is that you retitle it 'How to Buy a Political Party'. That a incredibly unattractive German capitalist with a criminal record and with nothing whatever in common with a racist party-(the left bit seems to have been tacked on by his latest followers) could work together is beyond imagination. If you can perhaps imagine this happening then try, I dare you....to imagine them working together in any sort of government for even a short time.<br />Personally I doubt that it will make even the slightest difference to the overall result. it will just redistribute the votes on the left. But then the left are good at fragmenting their support-just ask Laila she is the expert.Jigsawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13906156865367357834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-77642824457693580222014-05-29T18:44:26.765+12:002014-05-29T18:44:26.765+12:00You measure a person by what they do not what they...You measure a person by what they do not what they say. Kim Dotcom's behavior as an employer suggests that he is not of the left at all. But for the left in general, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. <br /><br />You have stated the real reason for the formation of the IMP with the sentence <i>John Key’s government was never going to be brought low by the forces of the Right.</i> <br /><br />This is not about social justice, or environmentalism or any of the other policies that the Mana party espouse. It is purely and simply a rich man buying his way into politics for revenge. Bradford sees this and was not willing to accept it. I'm sure many others on the left also see it, but they just don't care.<br /><br />hthMartin Englishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00353135329046627049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-71045267043628978942014-05-29T18:28:57.452+12:002014-05-29T18:28:57.452+12:00So........does this still make Winston 'King M...So........does this still make Winston 'King Maker' ?Katnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-49349267241539929702014-05-29T18:22:58.638+12:002014-05-29T18:22:58.638+12:00I could also say, I'm not sure I would want to...I could also say, I'm not sure I would want to vote for a party whose leader is willing to overturn his political principles for revenge :-). Whatever his political principles might be. If he even has any. If he isn't has any principles at all.<br />Man's an arse who has been lionised because of this stupid FBI organised raid on his house. Can't blame him for wanting revenge for that, when sending the most junior constable in the country round to have a chat with him probably would have got the same result.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.com