tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post8296458403406153288..comments2024-03-29T11:07:51.893+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Behind Prison WallsChris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-2880329702462380972015-07-31T15:34:55.337+12:002015-07-31T15:34:55.337+12:00Thanks NickJ. Chris' article shows that thing...Thanks NickJ. Chris' article shows that things aren't well in prison land. So it makes sense to turn the page over and write a different menu on the back. With the purpose of keeping crime down, seeing recidivism getting pettier petty-crime all the time (it will happen, the only cure for all diseases is death, and we don't want the poison of the death sentence.)<br /><br />And keeping costs down, the prisoners can grow their own food. And they could make some furniture for their families, perhaps book shelves and glass-fronted storage where they could proudly put all their honestly obtained treasures, when they manage to acquire some!)<br /><br />And the poisonous ones, the vile, the ones who have lost their soul, their mauri, their respect for others as well as for their own standards,<br />they can live in close confinement, giving society and the vulnerable freedom from fear. And not have them running their foul organisations from prison. With no air conditioned tunnels etc etc.<br /><br />Also parents get child benefit, but each year they have to attend workshops appropriate to the ages of their children, talking amongst themselves and with psychologists about the problems they face in growing up, and with philosophers on ways of thinking, the importance of ethics, and how it is easier to bring up children who show respect to parents, if in turn parents show the same, with standards of fair behaviour set in the family. When children come before the Court, the parents will appear with them, and explain what they can do to assist the child to be socially responsible. That would be interesting, and the same would apply to diversion, of which there would be much more. Good on the Auckland police for trying to get the young drivers on the right track. <br />To hell with all the critical negative nit-pickers who hate the poor, and youth and want to punish, punish. End of comment. <br /><br />I think nothing good will happen from suggestions so I should leave it till next year before further venturing into criminal justice territory. (Except I'll just add I don't like all police always wearing tazers. Not necessary as the only way to manage regular problems. And comment has been made about how police are becoming dangerously near to being militarised. Perhaps the 10% fear that people will get angry one day at being robbed of their very lives in the lands of plenty.)greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-56739210464673208932015-07-30T18:37:46.606+12:002015-07-30T18:37:46.606+12:00Man will you get offside with the hang'em high...Man will you get offside with the hang'em high brigade. Some good ideas there Grey.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13789254334079198636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-41640566044618726162015-07-30T11:13:45.875+12:002015-07-30T11:13:45.875+12:00Most prisoners should serve suspended sentences, o...Most prisoners should serve suspended sentences, only the damaged vicious people should have different paths. After a couple of days of solitary confinement in prison, most should go into a philosophy learning program. There they can learn the different ways of viewing the world, and review their own, and pursue their own whakapapa. Then they can be taught a skill they want, and be encouraged to work out a plan for achieving a better life for themselves and how they can cope with long-standing problems. Then when they feel ready to embark on their plan, have learned something that will help, how to read, do maths or whatever, plus a new skill, they get released on probation. Their time in prison would be spent on learning new things, not just locking them up, spending money without advantage.<br /><br />I think to deal with the chronically bad and violent, they need to stay in a type of prison. At present, because they are mostly men, and the country is run by mostly men, women often are their choice object of hostility and put at risk when these men are released from restraint. It is not a good look to treat women as experimental prey, at the no-mercy of a predator who if he attacks again, must be caught, tried and locked up again, perhaps the process to continue in the future.<br /><br />I think for the worst prisoners what is needed is prison farms where prisoners live confined under guard, but have as near a normal life as possible. They could have marital relationships, with their wives living nearby and visiting regularly. It would be run like a cult does, with a lot of control and loss of advantages for lack of compliance. For rule breaking and non-compliance they would return to prison and be kept in virtual solitary confinement for short to long periods for serious infringements. <br /><br /> There would be few in such a situation, and they would be treated as if mad, with the level of care that mentally incapacitated receive which should be humane but compulsorily enclosed, and lifelong. Capital punishment is simplistic as a method of dealing with such. Once state killing becomes accepted, there is a likelihood that the elite and powerful will use it unfairly, and inhumanely as in the USA.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-30958076673521085252015-07-30T07:36:09.984+12:002015-07-30T07:36:09.984+12:00Best results come from salt lake city. Each prison...Best results come from salt lake city. Each prisoner is adopted by a family who write and visitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-54641786605346851742015-07-29T08:15:38.588+12:002015-07-29T08:15:38.588+12:00To be fair, we've never done a great deal of r...To be fair, we've never done a great deal of rehabilitation in our prisons. According to various experts on incarceration anyway.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-30038781299655769582015-07-29T06:09:24.004+12:002015-07-29T06:09:24.004+12:00I dont believe in prisons. I believe in preventive...I dont believe in prisons. I believe in preventive detention centres and secure psychiatric facilities.<br /><br />Without reticence for a criminal act no amount of punishment will have any positive effect. What we need is to protect society from those who pose a danger, not to exact retribution. There must be far more positive means of dealing with crime such as a restorative process or as previously pointed out jobs.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13789254334079198636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-51201048718592910112015-07-28T20:58:29.300+12:002015-07-28T20:58:29.300+12:00'Close the Railway Workshops - build more pris...'Close the Railway Workshops - build more prisons' is an accurate adage.<br /><br />No doubt those of the Rightwing here will applaud the privatising of our prison system. They will no doubt say that the Private Sector can do the job better and cheaper than the Gubbies can. A company like Serco can only make a profit if they cut back on overheads, usually staff. They employ cheap guards usually on or near the minimum wage and reduce the number of staff working in the shifts. <br /><br />As Anon at 18.47 said; we need more jobs! The Rightie wingnuts have had 40 years to sort that out but we are worse now than before. Something is very wrong with their thinking.Davo Stevensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-92059010451770797402015-07-28T19:45:54.333+12:002015-07-28T19:45:54.333+12:00Not enough people pay much attention towards how b...Not enough people pay much attention towards how businesses and organisations make their profits as it is, I don't expect things to change just because there's a new way to make a dollar. Duty of care is largely absent in this civilized society across the board, let alone trying to get it to pay attention towards this one aspect (which is just a symptom of a much larger beast anyway). A Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03137605831419059657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-81682219245916584352015-07-28T18:47:15.563+12:002015-07-28T18:47:15.563+12:00The answer to prison is jobs, jobs, jobs, but unfo...The answer to prison is jobs, jobs, jobs, but unfortunately there is not a political system in the world which can keep job creation an on-going creation in any society. War, death, destruction famine and national disaster used to help but to-day worlds needs more than. Prison is a dire place to work and Serco thought that a easy -going prison would get co-operation, that has been tried before and never worked. What is the answer in prison I do not know, I believe the answer lies outside of the walls. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com