tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post8321167877926990700..comments2024-03-29T17:12:19.648+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: "Give Them Hell, David!"Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-59505966793373176972014-06-28T14:02:50.591+12:002014-06-28T14:02:50.591+12:00Chris Trotter is assuming that there is still much...Chris Trotter is assuming that there is still much of a traditional core of working class Labour Party supporters out there. I see little evidence for that. Kiwis are more aspirational these days. Even the relatively poor want more than a cheap state funded State House these days. I don't think you will get the Labour Party elected to govern by sticking to the tired old cliches that we hear so often from the political left. In the modern world many of the poor are actually in the centre or a little to the right of it on lots of issues. In order to knock Key off his perch these are the voters to concentrate on as Labour/Green already have a monopoly on hard left voters already. The problem is that the centre is where the incumbant is strongest.<br /><br />When Chris Trotter keeps harking back to the likes of Kirk and Trueman I would say he is missing the mark and the point. Those guys and many of their contemporaries would not advocate the policies of the late 1940's or late 60's to early 70's if they were campaigning today. The world has changed and the Labour Party needs to move forward with policies for this Century rather than the last.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-63989822490104538042014-06-27T13:40:59.043+12:002014-06-27T13:40:59.043+12:00You know what anonymous 15:43 – if you don't l...You know what anonymous 15:43 – if you don't like gay marriage, don't get married to a gay person, don't go to a gay wedding. Otherwise it harms you not one wet whit.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-7659887761996408082014-06-25T23:40:59.149+12:002014-06-25T23:40:59.149+12:00Since when has "Bomber" been young
He ac...Since when has "Bomber" been young<br />He acts and dresses like a grumpy old manRayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151948055232655178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-72941004246189012322014-06-25T16:01:41.282+12:002014-06-25T16:01:41.282+12:00He, DC, doesn't convince me, I thought he may ...He, DC, doesn't convince me, I thought he may have had it originally, John Key, unlike his deputy, has the x factor, been hard to shake so far but some scandal or mistake will dent it sooner or later.<br />I didn't think DC's reference to scabs was very clever either. Mind you don't think Grant Robertson has it either. Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03296195080787657751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-75212322779633573022014-06-25T15:43:59.127+12:002014-06-25T15:43:59.127+12:00What a joke he has been so far as leader.
He is al...What a joke he has been so far as leader.<br />He is also anti family and anti democracy, he was key in forcing the homosexual marriage lie onto NZ.<br />Hope he loses miserably, he is so far. Bloody sellout to PC crap.<br /><br />DaveoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-14336839211937328282014-06-25T09:48:53.542+12:002014-06-25T09:48:53.542+12:00He simply is unable to do what you recommend. He d...He simply is unable to do what you recommend. He doesn't connect with ordinary people and no amount of coaching will enable him to do so. I recall listening to Norman Kirk at a small meeting in Akaroa in 1962 and he had - effortlessly he had it but largely it's a gift and I can't see Cunnliffe ever being able to do the folksy thing. Looking forward to a column on the labour quota fiasco.......Jigsawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13906156865367357834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-65438127689780694062014-06-25T08:33:15.666+12:002014-06-25T08:33:15.666+12:00There is a BIIIG difference between the 62% of Lab...There is a <i>BIIIG</i> difference between the 62% of Labour voters who want immigration reduced and the 38% who do and it's about <i>class</i>. People are detecting hot air.jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-3733440723922916892014-06-25T08:09:21.452+12:002014-06-25T08:09:21.452+12:00I see NZ First is dead. I read it in the SST. It w...I see NZ First is dead. I read it in the SST. It was written by top journalist Andrea Vance:<br /><i><br />However, our poll suggests voters aren't blaming migrants for the current housing crisis. They also have a strong handle on the true picture - with most able to correctly pick how many migrants make up the population.<br /><br />Even Peters own voters aren't convinced by this old trick - 92 per cent of his supporters don't rate immigration as a problem. </i><br />http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/10187254/Immi-what-Hysteria-over-immigration-falls-flat<br /><br />A (26 December) Reid Research TV3 Poll found 62% of respondents want immigration reduced (68% Labour supporters, 85% NZ First, 58% Green.jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-73737357070098829562014-06-24T21:33:20.382+12:002014-06-24T21:33:20.382+12:00Well, at last Chris you appear to be prepared to b...Well, at last Chris you appear to be prepared to back Labour, unequivocally. I assume you must now regard the party to be 'honest' as you have previously declared to be the main prerequisite for your support. <br /><br />Good advice for David Cunliffe though. He will be PM. <br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /> Katnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-11563461538013854442014-06-24T19:05:57.649+12:002014-06-24T19:05:57.649+12:00Why get excited - the current National government ...Why get excited - the current National government has become equally socialistic, and in many cases with nicer people. Sit back and enjoy!!Bricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-76866303890599081432014-06-24T14:59:46.911+12:002014-06-24T14:59:46.911+12:00An excellent thought, but pissing into the wind. T...An excellent thought, but pissing into the wind. The colour has all been bleached out of politicians, particularly since Lange. All the focus groups have turned them into functionaries, and as functionaries they're scared to be different – or colourful.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-16455672479828575602014-06-24T14:13:11.066+12:002014-06-24T14:13:11.066+12:00And he would tell them what exactly? And would he ...And he would tell them what exactly? And would he use the same voice in Howick as he uses out at Henderson? <br /><br />Truman was a long-time professional politician who knew his target audience and had a good story to offer them. Cunliffe is one more product of our new managerial class of politician. If you swapped him for Bill English you could hardly tell the difference. The fact that the National Party finds him an easy target should not fool the left into thinking him its bloodied champion.<br />Fossilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-11579126454441863952014-06-24T13:27:14.334+12:002014-06-24T13:27:14.334+12:00I don't know that it would work.
But I can&...I don't know that it would work. <br /><br />But I can't think of anything that has a better chance of working at this juncture. <br /><br />And it would certainly invigorate our increasingly stale political culture.<br /><br />So why not?<br /><br />Harry Truman, btw, would have understood Cunliffe's challenges in Wellington, both within and outside his caucus. <br /><br />As Truman remarked: "You want a friend in Washington? Get a dog."Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-55775632082739531282014-06-24T12:27:00.668+12:002014-06-24T12:27:00.668+12:00Chris,
One of the advantages of doing Town Hall ...Chris,<br /> One of the advantages of doing Town Hall meetings is that Cunliffe gets to control the agenda. Yes, there's some caveats, for example, sticking to the principle and policies, do not play gotcha politics, but the biggest advantage is that he bypasses the Labour party 'machine' that is (deliberately ?) failing to help him.<br /><br />hthMartin Englishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00353135329046627049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-43499105165595567392014-06-24T12:23:43.232+12:002014-06-24T12:23:43.232+12:00One might also mention Muldoon in 1975.One might also mention Muldoon in 1975.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-27308520215820937132014-06-24T12:12:42.108+12:002014-06-24T12:12:42.108+12:00The bad news is that the more the voters see of Cu...The bad news is that the more the voters see of Cunliffe the less they seem to like him.Samuel Cohen.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-22935303504209903782014-06-24T11:58:28.794+12:002014-06-24T11:58:28.794+12:00Well it is definitely worth a crack for David Cunl...Well it is definitely worth a crack for David Cunliffe. Labour candidate Willow–Jean Prime is currently running a really positive meet the people campaign in the hardest of tory voting enclaves to crack–Northland.<br />fb Willow-Jean Prime<br /><br />The good old boy/farmer/tradie/retiree network and large Te Tai Tokerau Māori seat make it difficult for Labour in the Far North but she is showing signs of breaking through the bad habit of voting tory that people (obviously against many of their material interests) have got into.<br /><br />Consider bringing back the beard too David. If the left bloc does hold office on 21 Sept one John Armstrong’s “Cunliffe must resign” NZ Herald column might be one for the scrapbook.<br />Tiger Mountainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-42114640799870582302014-06-24T11:17:23.835+12:002014-06-24T11:17:23.835+12:00The good news is that New Zealand is small enough ...The good news is that New Zealand is small enough to easily reach all of it with public meetings over a couple of monthsDavidnoreply@blogger.com