tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post8363905898560391507..comments2024-03-29T03:41:12.499+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Lorde: Turning The Green Light Red.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-31762055086794198332018-01-21T10:59:12.566+13:002018-01-21T10:59:12.566+13:00Chris Trotter a 'zionist supporter'! Grin...Chris Trotter a 'zionist supporter'! Grinner of the day, if it wasn't so much venomous bile. Lorde was got at, she should never have been put in that position. How could she possibly have an informed opinion, as evidenced by this. That's it.<br />Hilary Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00240590567749247083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-21640291449438054362018-01-13T17:10:34.020+13:002018-01-13T17:10:34.020+13:00Not a good comment, Countryboy.
Too much self-ind...Not a good comment, Countryboy.<br /><br />Too much self-indulgent emotional tourism and too much racial stereotyping of the sort that only makes this tragic conflict less tractable.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-80751383345437601512018-01-12T16:35:54.882+13:002018-01-12T16:35:54.882+13:00Good comment Countryboy.
D J SGood comment Countryboy.<br />D J SDavid Stonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-51086326562357189712018-01-10T23:25:27.644+13:002018-01-10T23:25:27.644+13:00Israel is an easy avenue for us to 'enjoy'...Israel is an easy avenue for us to 'enjoy' amid the clenching jaws of our species's reality. Why I'm here. I tick for Palestinians as rightful underdogs.<br />sumsuchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-28303836452231247982018-01-10T21:16:24.170+13:002018-01-10T21:16:24.170+13:00I think she's got more intestinal fortitude th...I think she's got more intestinal fortitude than all our politicians rolled into one gruesome pot of shit. And entirely more than most of us gutless bastards. <br />She's young. So what? <br />She's a performer.<br />Again, so what? <br />She's 'involved' in a merciless industry. <br />So what? <br />Freezing workers are not? <br />I'm proud of the kid. <br />Fuck the Israelis, the cruel, USA pandering, mayhem-for-a-dollar causing, selfish, greedy bastards. <br />When they went there? Back in 1948? They should have showed some fucking respect. They get all whiny and wheedling when a Palestinian kid throws a stone then retaliate with bombs, bullets, torture, trade embargoes, child murder, the U$A on their side to show 'em how it's done thus Oh My God what profits are made! Oi vey ! <br />If the Israelis want my respect, they can all move to Texas. Next door to the Bush's. Get all A-whoop as they chuck a slab of bullet riddled cow on the petrol powered barbi. <br />I'm super proud of Lorde, a brave kid. More brave than that Aussie under arm crooner nick cave'd in. countryboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906800965006947285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-40426062091412822872018-01-10T16:48:36.577+13:002018-01-10T16:48:36.577+13:00Neil
Reading your diatribe reminds me of the impas...Neil<br />Reading your diatribe reminds me of the impassioned response of women who adopted the idea of citizen punishment and tied a NZ man to a tree for something they thought he had done. Exaggeration and punitive judgment is something that comes easily to followers of any emotionally-charged doctrine to which they are attached and they feel entitled to smite those who fail to share their dogma and transgress from it. This can be felt by any of us<br />at some time, and needs to be reined in, with second thoughts.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-30127100054294047022018-01-09T22:08:04.893+13:002018-01-09T22:08:04.893+13:00Neil I think it speaks volumes that Chris publishe...Neil I think it speaks volumes that Chris published these accusations. YOu have really put him in a difficult position of losing either way if he publishe s or not. That is a commentary upon you to do something so cowardly. <br /><br />I find it sad that when people make these accusations they do so from a position where they don't have to put their balls on the block and face the legal consequences. Your "friend" seems conveniently "hidden". So sad Neil. Maybe you should "man up".Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-43405631667859139532018-01-09T20:29:50.302+13:002018-01-09T20:29:50.302+13:00I don't think anyone forces people to not spen...I don't think anyone forces people to not spend money on Israel Charles. The Nazis did it by government fiat. That's the way that authoritarian regimes do these things. On the other hand free people are entitled to spend their money wherever they like. Surely you of all people is not in against that? If you are, you're more right wing than I thought.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-7342128708695547882018-01-09T19:13:13.115+13:002018-01-09T19:13:13.115+13:00Chris
I think your piece is pretty well-balanced....Chris<br /><br />I think your piece is pretty well-balanced. However, I simply don't find it satisfactory to view this conflict in zero-sum terms. <br /><br />There are many organisations in Israel and a smaller but increasing number of them on the West Bank that are seeking to build bridges between Israelis and Palestinians. This is the only possible way forward for the region, however hard the road seems at present.<br /><br />I agree that performing artists inevitably court controversy when appearing in Israel and it might not always be in their own best interests to do so. <br /><br />But, having agreed to perform in Tel Aviv, Lorde may have been better advised to keep the date and donate the proceeds to Israeli and Palestinian NGOs engaged in monitoring the occupation and in assisting its victims. <br /><br />Many of these organisations are currently under severe pressure from the Likud-led government and would, no doubt, have appreciated the support. <br /><br />I don't know if it might also have been possible for her to hold a free concert in Ramallah. If so, that too would have been a good idea.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-41763826578525893592018-01-09T12:52:32.784+13:002018-01-09T12:52:32.784+13:00Pictures came and broke your heart. 'Video ki...Pictures came and broke your heart. 'Video killed the radio star'! We promise to accept all the bad stuff, but don't take our music stuff away.<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIuaSM6zgkkgreywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-55839597607952337962018-01-09T12:41:32.778+13:002018-01-09T12:41:32.778+13:00Greywarbler - "I think she is only 20 and is ...Greywarbler - "I think she is only 20 and is being expected to be as wise as someone twice her age"<br /><br />LOL<br /><br />I was an "Ignorant" support of Israel until I got to about 30 years of age.<br /><br />I was then challenged on something to do with the 1967 war.<br /><br />It took about 3 months of careful research and reading around the topic to find out the truth about Israel and its Abuse of the palestinians.<br /><br />Any Informed person will take the view Lorde has.<br /><br />Pity I did not get to where she has when I was only 21.Neil - ex Otago University 1080'snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-71040992295577994882018-01-09T12:36:29.782+13:002018-01-09T12:36:29.782+13:00She's young and merely a singer. So she knows ...She's young and merely a singer. So she knows nothing of these things.<br />Leave her alone.<br />Yes the BDS or whatever are just the latest fascists. The Nazis had a similar policy in the 1930s against Jewish businesses.<br />They are no friends of the Palestinians at all. Their only hope is Israel now. Note that 4000 of them in Jerusalem applied and were accepted as Israelis last year. Voting with their feet and brains. Thereby happily getting Jerusalem as their capital as it happens.Charles Enoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-67698700091611776832018-01-09T11:28:05.107+13:002018-01-09T11:28:05.107+13:00As usual, a zionist supporter misrepresents that c...As usual, a zionist supporter misrepresents that case.<br /><br />A number of people I viewed took it on themselves to point out some facts to Lorde. Facts she may not have been aware of before agreeing to play Israel. Like:<br /> - Israeli Infanticide at Checkpoionts - 35 BABIES and 5 Pregnant women DIED at Israeli Checkpoints in a 7 year period. Treatment of Pregnant women in Contravention to Geneva Conventions.<br /> - Israeli Troops have killed and Maimed a number of Protesters by firing High Velocity Tear Gas Canisters and Rubber Coated Steel Bullets directly into the faces on Protesters. They are meant to be Non Lethal weapons but the IDF uses them to kill and Maim.<br /> - The way Israel "Arrests" (kidnaps) Palestinian children by Kicking in their parents doors at 2am, dragging them out with no parental support, refusing to tell the kids their legal righhts, Interrorgating the kids with NO legal representation, Yelling and usign Physical violence during Investigations, threating the kids with Sexual Assault, Forcing "Confessions" from them and forcing them to sign the "Confession" in a language they do NOT understand. All in contravention of the "Convention on the Rights of the Child".<br /><br />Maybe Lorde, when appraised of these issues, like any decent person, said No. She would NOT Validate such abusive actions.<br /><br />Maybe Lorde has a Moral Backbone that Chris Trotter lacks (as these facts are easily found).<br /><br />My questions is this. Why has Chris trotter decided to speak up Now? Who is Buying Your Lunch Chris?<br /><br /><br />And who is Chris Trotter.<br /><br />A friend who knew him at Otago University described Chris as being a man too scared of joining a movement because he may then be asked to actually do something. He waid that Chris likes to sit on the side criticising anyone and everyone working to make things happen. A Mud Slinger who has made that his mode of making a living. . .<br /><br />PS. My friend who is the most Pacifist person I know said that Chris trotter is the only person he would Knee Cap if he had an opportunity because of his treatment of a number of women in Dunedin way back in the day. He WAS kidding about the Knee Capping. He was NOT Kidding about Trotter and his actions with Women at Otago way back in the 1980'sNeil - ex Otago University 1080'snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-89353631952529777702018-01-09T06:39:23.606+13:002018-01-09T06:39:23.606+13:00Going by your standards Richard Swan who would tou...Going by your standards Richard Swan who would tour anywhere? The USA based upon its internal human rights record, and it's constant waging of wars must be off the agenda too. Bugger, no music.Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-69774146705666779252018-01-08T18:58:05.161+13:002018-01-08T18:58:05.161+13:00I think Lorde's decision to pull the plug must...I think Lorde's decision to pull the plug must be seen in the context of Trump's decision to move the US embassy to Jerusalem .<br /> Before that decision was made nothing had materially changed there for years and her performance was pretty neutral in terms of a political statement . But once that announcement had been made it meant that to continue could be seen as supporting that decision, and Netanyahu's claim that it meant Jerusalem was established as a solely Jewish capital. Her decision to withdraw when she did was to my mind justified and did not represent a change of heart but a change of plan in appropriate response to a change in circumstances.<br />D J SDavid Stonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-38610678485242856492018-01-08T18:30:28.268+13:002018-01-08T18:30:28.268+13:00Good for her. She made the decision, she'll pr...Good for her. She made the decision, she'll probably lose money because of it. BDS is simply that – a movement to boycott. You cannot tell people what to do with their own money. Unless you're a communist of course.<br /><br />Richard Swan – Israel touts itself as a democracy, well in that case it should be held to higher standards. And in fact I don't know of anybody who is somehow afraid to criticise Russia's civil rights record. It's horrifying, particularly if you are gay.<br /><br />I'm not sure how much of an impression BDS can make, I'm not sure how much the boycott of South Africa contributed to the downfall of Apartheid, but it was definitely a factor. Particularly when banks got scared and refuse to lend the money to make up their deficits. And I think as Israel tends to rely on foreign capital as South Africa did, it's quite possible they could force some form of compromise with the Palestinians absent unconditional US support, which doesn't seem likely though.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-4427625709821427032018-01-08T16:43:13.917+13:002018-01-08T16:43:13.917+13:00Well she stuffed up.
I think the word is gutlessne...Well she stuffed up.<br />I think the word is gutlessness.<br />It could be naivety?.<br />She has let herself down.<br />She will recover.<br />I feel sorry for anyone who think she is a good performer.<br />That's me, I will move on.Polly.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-56294935680782893672018-01-08T16:04:23.914+13:002018-01-08T16:04:23.914+13:00I think she is only 20 and is being expected to be...I think she is only 20 and is being expected to be as wise as someone twice her age. But Lorde don't take it too hard, it will lessen and if you asked for a statement you can say that it is an area of the world with complex problems. And leave it at that.<br /><br />And the background Chris thanks, it is complicated, and it seems that one needs to be a little paranoid when considering anything Israeli-connected. We had French agents lurking here, infiltrating pretending they cared about the planet, and they attacked a visiting ship, and as collateral damage, killed a visiting photographer who had the temerity to disagree with them blowing up parts of the world. <br /><br />That was in 1985, 40 years after the end of WW2 which was staged partly to save France from being over-run by moral degenerates. My father was involved in that effort and is buried in a war cemetery in France, and I am grateful that the fields of crosses are very well cared for I believe. But hey when the defence- method-of-attack madness hits countries and people, gratitude and camaraderie are disposable, and the morality involved becomes questionable.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-21169215071443447002018-01-08T11:44:28.551+13:002018-01-08T11:44:28.551+13:00Reblogged: https://huttsfantasticworld.wordpress.c...Reblogged: https://huttsfantasticworld.wordpress.com/2018/01/07/lorde-turning-the-green-light-red/ peteswriteplacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474922953916383101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-24876720487313851502018-01-08T11:34:57.408+13:002018-01-08T11:34:57.408+13:00Just exactly what I have thought but never express...Just exactly what I have thought but never expressed in words. The campaign to destroy the Israeli state commenced in a matter of hours from its inception.peteswriteplacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474922953916383101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-16078763987709228912018-01-08T11:02:02.142+13:002018-01-08T11:02:02.142+13:00One could also ask why anyone would include Russia...One could also ask why anyone would include Russia in her touring schedule but i guess there are still large amounts of people who under absolutely no circumstances will be critical of that country, its human rights record and its commitment to peace around the world ! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00367156711834679293noreply@blogger.com