tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post8417361889688126096..comments2024-03-30T18:34:50.371+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: The Gluckman Report: Acknowledging The Symptoms, Ignoring The CausesChris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-63007171170061709892011-06-16T07:04:50.606+12:002011-06-16T07:04:50.606+12:00Actually family formation assuming you mean marria...Actually family formation assuming you mean marriage always varied a lot in pre industrial times, and formation in the late teens as you assume was quite rare. Early to late 20s depending on the economy was more common in western societies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-29229202123668371212011-06-12T20:12:13.484+12:002011-06-12T20:12:13.484+12:00Hi Chris. I have resorted to your blog because the...Hi Chris. I have resorted to your blog because the government disturbs me, and there is no effective opposition party. And I am enjoying your posts. The Gluckman report - what exactly is teenage morbidity? So far as I can understand, this is about teenagers drinking, smoking, getting pregnant (without wanting too), and killing themselves. Because they have not grown up. Chris, your blog is subtitled, 'ruminations of and Old New Zealander'. Do we have a New Zealand today that will provide anyone with a basis, or inspiration, for the ruminations of tomorrow? The grown up blogs of today's teenagers, tomorrow? New Zealand today is about bland materialism, and subscribes to global celebrity culture (Gluckman picked up on the latter point). Message: you have everything you need for a mediocre life, just indulge so far as you can; a life of significance is the domain of pop gods and criminals. Mainstream New Zealand, epitomized by the National Party, has no soul. Too many young people see nothing they want to grow up for, except the delusion of unreachable idol status. Perhaps in their hearts they know that too is worthless. For past generations, ordinary life glowed with beauty and promise against the backdrop of the horrors of war, in which they had personally participated. My generation had the idealism of anti-tour activism etc. but it still fell short. Now the water is muddied - what is really to fight for, and who represents it? Who should we rebel against, to show who we are? Perhaps our young people are not failing to grow up, but old before their time - or trying to avoid being so.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16219657564984291522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-69341525771905168032011-06-12T16:06:41.002+12:002011-06-12T16:06:41.002+12:00Chris your comments sound like commonsense to me. ...Chris your comments sound like commonsense to me. There is a large shortage of it in the world.ann wilsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-44613094953431247372011-06-12T11:31:53.202+12:002011-06-12T11:31:53.202+12:00Have suicides increased since the days of 14- 15 y...Have suicides increased since the days of 14- 15 year olds in factories? Who knows. Suicides were euphemistically called "sudden" for yonks and hidden from the stats. Why not do a Gluckman and look at the data. Have opportunities to extend your education improved since 1800? Why not do a Gluckman on that. You may be right Chris, but what Gluckman is pleading for is evidence to support government policy development rather than take the ad hoc, queasy "feelings", "I think", "Do it my way" kinds of policy we are now burdened with.<br /><br />A classic is the discussion on Pharmac with the intense lobbying being carried out over the last month - and confirmed by Wikileaks - that is trying to roll the Govt. I suspect the evidence - after all that is what Pharmac is designed to assess - was working too well for the Drug Dealers. <br /><br />Another is the death ads that try and prevent road deaths. Where is the evidence that it works? I think I could find some evidence that supports driver education in EVERY school might be better. <br /><br />Another is ACC. I have an OIA request demonstrating that ACC pays shit loads for quacks. Acupuncture and Chiropractics included. And yet, the Govt is insisting that ACC should privatise. Evidence based treatments would be a good start to save money.<br /><br />Show me the evidence is all Gluckman is pleading.Rossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-82560016494514675832011-06-12T10:08:04.619+12:002011-06-12T10:08:04.619+12:00Chris
I thought your readers might enjoy Mark Ste...Chris<br /><br />I thought your readers might enjoy Mark Steyn's thoughts on the Western phenomena of 'Extended Adolescence' which complements the sentiments expressed in your article.<br /><br />http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/3894/110/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17190324943334170206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-76888240302300409732011-06-11T14:14:15.152+12:002011-06-11T14:14:15.152+12:00Hi Chris, what do you mean "Reintroduce full ...Hi Chris, what do you mean "Reintroduce full employment"? Do you think a youth wage should be reintroduced?queenstfarmernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-61748439992918258142011-06-10T20:10:01.029+12:002011-06-10T20:10:01.029+12:00Well what do you expect from a 'scientific adv...Well what do you expect from a 'scientific adviser' who ignores all the empirical evidence to the contrary and bleats on about the importance of global warming?<br /><br />I have yet to receive one taker for my offer of a bottle of the best Barossa Shiraz to anyone who can show me where the 'scientific community' has altered just one piece of raw climate data downward instead of upward.Adolf Fiinkenseinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08045358863278087055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-13197892567026580802011-06-10T11:37:50.773+12:002011-06-10T11:37:50.773+12:00I found myself agreeing with these points. To hope...I found myself agreeing with these points. To hopefully add something, the State now expects 18 year olds to take out loan contracts and get into debt, and the career choices are supposedly determined at a young age. Of course, many will have to undertake more courses and assume more debt if the initial study does not lead to work, like most Arts graduates find. I don't think that removing interest from the loans makes much difference. It also ensures that these so-called adolescents strongly affect which courses and subjects are actually taught, rather than this being research-led. Presumably this also affects the future of 'pure' form of science that Professor Gluckman thinks he engages in, when not lending his authority to the personal views of his patron, the Prime Minister.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com