tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post8706887326987015348..comments2024-03-19T22:42:04.062+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Chris Carter: Q+AChris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-67039112075481951482010-08-03T01:08:46.294+12:002010-08-03T01:08:46.294+12:00Care to face the awful possibility Chris? That aft...Care to face the awful possibility Chris? That after Goff and Mallard's inept 'see a shrink' response to Carter's one-act farce, Carter may be kept by the Party's ruling Council? Sounds like it from the speed Little and chums are back-pedalling. Especially as they won't want an expensive byelection a year out from a general election, and during the local body/Supercity elections.<br /><br />2 months sick leave now, with no decision til after? If Carter stays (and the public will see it as bitter to expel him after 2 months 'sanity break'), then Goff is further undermined - perhaps fatally.<br /><br />Could it have even been Carter's ploy all along? Provoke an attempted expulsion, knowing he had enough 'identity politics' groups in Labour to stay, leaving Goff in an untenable position. Gives the leadership change Carter wanted.<br /><br />Who to? 2 names not mentioned much so far are Grant Robertson and Charles Chauvel - from the same rainbow faction as Carter, and perhaps the only realistic leaders apart from Cunliffe. Robertson would be the best of all Labour's hacks, actually - a good clear speaker who can inspire on occassions, and may shift Labour fractionally back to worker values.<br /><br />My how Helen C must be laughing (between texts to Carter, of course). Goff may not last 1 term as leader. If she has engineered this, it will confirm her iron-grip over Labour, and her antipathy to Goff. Neither a good sign for their future.<br /><br />Mad MarxistAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-23623760737923717422010-08-02T15:49:42.501+12:002010-08-02T15:49:42.501+12:00ak
"The mob (the less than one-in-ten media-...ak<br /><br />"The mob (the less than one-in-ten media-blown ideological flotsam that determines our governance)is emerging from the post-Helenhate hangover and tiring of the slippery, assuaging doughboy"<br /><br />Beautifully put! If there was an award for 'Polemicist of the Year', you'd get my vote! CheersVictornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-89824110727207328352010-08-01T11:06:20.134+12:002010-08-01T11:06:20.134+12:00Schadenfreude's a wonderful thing, especially ...Schadenfreude's a wonderful thing, especially when it involves an ego-tripping diva whose Mama isn't there to hold his hand any more.WAKE UPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09136292620916207019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-26246123237874995612010-07-30T16:56:13.631+12:002010-07-30T16:56:13.631+12:00If what Carter is doing is truly a stand on princi...If what Carter is doing is truly a stand on principals to fix the party then more support for him. I've thought him quite arrogant in the past but I'm reasonably happy with his stand if he's willing to become a martyr to fix the party. We need more MPs who stand on their ideals and don't flip where the tide goes to keep getting votes and keep their power like Bill English, Jim Anderton, Brownlee and any other slime you care to mention. Even if I don't like their ideas and principals I'll gladly support someone who stands up to maintain their dignity than pander cheaply to keep power. <br />Here's to hoping he's done and is doing the right thing.Madisonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-14374007556971126162010-07-30T15:40:26.359+12:002010-07-30T15:40:26.359+12:00I don't think any leader can win it for Labour...I don't think any leader can win it for Labour for a few years, people are still too angry with them for nine years of quite arrogant power and control (near the end, anyway). Cunliffe reminds me of Key, and is far more pompous than Goff. National must be loving this, will their poll-rating now hit the outer-limits? Carter was a fool, but the Left wing of the caucus don't like Goff, or that's what one senses. Too straight, too nice, too Kiwi.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-87324923114516824652010-07-30T11:23:35.290+12:002010-07-30T11:23:35.290+12:00@anonymous. I smell a Nat!@anonymous. I smell a Nat!Tiger Mountainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-19999090344238611282010-07-30T10:50:12.192+12:002010-07-30T10:50:12.192+12:00Nup. You can debate the efficacy, but in their own...Nup. You can debate the efficacy, but in their own minds suicide bombers literally lay down their lives for their friends.<br /><br />Carter's more Judas: and if Goffy's current agony in the garden can forge the same character it did in Hels, there may yet be a resurrection.<br /><br />The mob (the less than one-in-ten media-blown ideological flotsam that determines our governance)is emerging from the post-Helenhate hangover and tiring of the slippery, assuaging doughboy: it's time to release the inner Barabbus - ideally the rhetoric of Jim Anderton delivered by an articulate Jim Knox. <br /><br />Winnie's already onto it.aknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-48501665866906019712010-07-30T10:35:07.180+12:002010-07-30T10:35:07.180+12:00"Goff and the old guard need to go but it loo..."Goff and the old guard need to go but it looks like Labour are going to make this a long, drawn out messy affair that will leave them in opposition for years."<br /><br />Go, go where, Anonymous? The old guard are the ones in the Party still committed to Labour's founding principles of social justice, rather than the grasping minority of "identity" activists. Those traditional principles are the answer to the Government's aggressive Right-wing agenda. <br /><br />My hope is that the departure of Carter will result in a re-affirmation by the Party of its founding values - which are as relevant today as they were in 1935.MT1982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-87399538376731555162010-07-30T10:15:35.101+12:002010-07-30T10:15:35.101+12:00Carter had a point about the 4 weeks holiday.Carter had a point about the 4 weeks holiday.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-40071919059813443772010-07-30T10:09:39.315+12:002010-07-30T10:09:39.315+12:00Sigh.
Right as some of the opposition's atta...Sigh. <br /><br />Right as some of the opposition's attacks start hitting home on the government on mining & the unions gearing up (see the most recent roy morgan poll) what does Carter do? Decide to take over the headlines with his rubbish. <br /><br />His sense of entitlement is both amazing & utterly ridiculous. We're better off without him. just wish he left quietly.Jonathannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-7877991838951790182010-07-30T09:09:23.955+12:002010-07-30T09:09:23.955+12:00I wish Carter could blow Goff out of the water, bu...I wish Carter could blow Goff out of the water, but I think all he has done now is cement Goff in place as leader. <br /><br />Carter is right- Labour were never going to win with Goff in charge. I was hoping one morning soon I would get up and find there had been a coup overnight and Goff was gone and Cunliffe was now leader. Then Labour would have had a chance at the next election.<br /><br />The Labour caucus are in an unenviable position now. If they roll Goff it is going to make them all look like liars for swearing allegience to Goff yesterday. It will also vindicate Carter. But if they stay with Goff then they will be hammered at the next election. <br /><br />Goff and the old guard need to go but it looks like Labour are going to make this a long, drawn out messy affair that will leave them in opposition for years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-8796549029797009342010-07-30T09:08:18.475+12:002010-07-30T09:08:18.475+12:00"In his own mind"
As you allude to, it&..."In his own mind"<br /><br />As you allude to, it's hard not to think that the guy is a little delusional. Maybe the poor guy just needs a holiday.Dylannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-11304918356538933662010-07-30T09:02:26.226+12:002010-07-30T09:02:26.226+12:00Aw c'mon Chris why try to rationalise the acti...Aw c'mon Chris why try to rationalise the actions of someeone who has lost his marbles. See it for what it is and see Carter for what he really is. <br />Carter has finally revealed the fragility and lack of real intellectual depth of Labour in the Helen Clark era. <br />This action is that of someone who has cracked under pressure which is scary considering the power he wielded when in Government.<br />Either that or it is the first shot in a war of attrition between the GLL faction and the Conservative Right of the Labour Party.<br />One thing is for sure, no amount of "move on" exhortations will help heal the rifts that have been opened.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04676404594529993179noreply@blogger.com