tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post8877336110298968528..comments2024-03-29T03:41:12.499+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Online Voting? Not If You Value Democracy!Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-8690455636018315992015-01-09T09:58:52.242+13:002015-01-09T09:58:52.242+13:00Are you going to stand up and publish that cartoon...Are you going to stand up and publish that cartoon? Or just say nothing? Kiwiblog has shown courage re this.<br /><br />When if ever, our our pollies going to fight the evil. Churchill is needed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-69756823816422358732015-01-09T08:10:40.631+13:002015-01-09T08:10:40.631+13:00Not sure if Electronic Voting is secure either. Lo...Not sure if Electronic Voting is secure either. Look at the crap that has been going down in the US with it.<br /><br />Now why is it that so many feel so marginalised that they can't be bothered voting? Perhaps because in the last 20 years or so there has been nothing in it for them to vote for. The only difference between the two main parties is just cosmetic so why vote?<br /><br />MMP, with all its faults is still better than the old FPP where a party could promise one thing and do something completely different. But like any form of Govt., it can be subverted. One thing that is important is that each party is very open about where their finance is coming from. A $20 donation is just a donation -- but $100,000 is buying a Govt.<br /><br />If we want people to vote then make sure that there is something in it for them, a reason to vote. Most of those who didn't vote were the ones who felt that they are marginalised and nothing is changing for the better for them.Davo Stevensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-66613997768671377632015-01-08T22:30:49.873+13:002015-01-08T22:30:49.873+13:00Doesn't matter who one votes for. Once in, the...Doesn't matter who one votes for. Once in, they ignore the will of the people and we all become serfs. Overlords, the lot of them. Of one hue and one Marxist agenda, now wrecking NZ and the West.<br /><br />MMP has been very destructive to what we once had.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-36135214174961230112015-01-08T20:28:40.356+13:002015-01-08T20:28:40.356+13:00Sanctuary
I agree entirely with your points 1,2 a...Sanctuary<br /><br />I agree entirely with your points 1,2 and 4.<br /><br />But there's something a trifle unwholesome about paying people to vote. So count me out as far as point 3 is concerned.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-38643769664839481182015-01-08T08:49:38.257+13:002015-01-08T08:49:38.257+13:00I think on line voting is the way to go but it sho...I think on line voting is the way to go but it should go further than voting for phoney groups who misrepresent their mission; we should vote on issues and politicians should have to present clear arguments without avoiding any searching questions. The system is screeming out for improvement.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15607028751724602829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-73179435505475881162015-01-07T20:39:02.572+13:002015-01-07T20:39:02.572+13:00Couldn't agree more.
The idea of voting on li...Couldn't agree more. <br />The idea of voting on line is an abomination. It should be a public act of a proud citizen in a free society to go alone or with family and friends and in public, cast a secret ballot. People in some countries risk getting shot or bombed to do just that.<br />Those here who cannot be fagged to spend a few minutes to vote at the local school forfeit any right to an opinion on the government I think. Often they will say they find parties are all the same or equally unattractive, yet they manage to choose which bollocks to watch on tele or what stuff to buy at the shops, so surely they could have a stab at which lot standing as their rulers is the lesser evil.<br />Or as a last resort they could ask someone they know & respect who does vote for a recommendation and support their choice.Charles Enoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-44954965035167121772015-01-07T20:24:15.200+13:002015-01-07T20:24:15.200+13:00Absolutely agree.Absolutely agree.Jigsawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13906156865367357834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-24694757800737936082015-01-07T20:10:44.033+13:002015-01-07T20:10:44.033+13:00We take the kids done to the local school and make...We take the kids done to the local school and make a morning of itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-33699270518890985562015-01-07T16:43:51.888+13:002015-01-07T16:43:51.888+13:00so what happens when you go along and vote only to...so what happens when you go along and vote only to discover the Party had a secret agenda<br /><i>The attachment of the many intellectuals to this view explains their support for programs of international multiculturalism that deny any difference between people and culture. It also explains their concern for the world’s oppressed minorities, a concern that trumps their concern for their own countrymen. To favor one’s own over others is viewed as a base chauvinism. Therefore, the inconsistency of supporting mass immigration while at the same time claiming a concern for the working poor disappears if one defines the working poor in international terms, rather than in chauvinistic, national ones. Put in other terms, a true Marxist should show a concern for all the struggling masses of mankind; to be more concerned for your own working classes is a retrograde nationalism, best eschewed. This change of focus explains, in large measure, the left’s abandonment of the workingman and joining with corporate interests on the issue of immigration. It is, of course, also the case that the parties of the left increase their power by importing third-world immigrants who overwhelmingly become constituents of those parties. The net result is that people who oppose massive immigration have no place to turn for support on either the right or the left of the political spectrum<br /></i><br />The Perils of Diversity(Book Review)<br />http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=9928<br /><br />There is the labour Parties sophistry revealed.jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-88738100165742547812015-01-06T15:16:27.566+13:002015-01-06T15:16:27.566+13:00Of all the reasons to support or oppose this or th...Of all the reasons to support or oppose this or that voting system, the impact it might have on the likelihood of participation by people whose attitudes and opinions I don't approve of seems to me to be the very worstAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-72952830611426273662015-01-06T14:30:26.147+13:002015-01-06T14:30:26.147+13:00I think that having MMP has ALREADY ruined the &qu...I think that having MMP has ALREADY ruined the "democratic" system in NZ.Barrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-51420888510708024122015-01-06T14:17:23.501+13:002015-01-06T14:17:23.501+13:00Derek Handley postures as a great young thinker, b...Derek Handley postures as a great young thinker, but bears the heavy burden of being a failed online gambling promoter in his days with Feverpitch. He might like to explain his history in trying to profit from a poisonous gambling culture before he lectures us about democracy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-22816434052791364802015-01-06T13:09:23.623+13:002015-01-06T13:09:23.623+13:00I agree.
1/ Fix the election date to be the firs...I agree. <br /><br />1/ Fix the election date to be the first Wednesday 1095 days after the last election. Why Wednesday? See #2.<br /><br />2/ Election day ought to be a public holiday like Xmas day, but it a only a PAID public holiday if you present your "I have voted" certificate to your employer. Otherwise, it is an unpaid day off. Oh, and make it Wednesday so people are not tempted to skive off for a long weekend, paid or unpaid!<br /><br />3/ Pay $15-20 to everyone who votes, or if they sneer at the amount give them the opportunity to select a political party to donate it to. That way the missing million voters would turn and vote because they could actually do with $15-20, and Tories don't have to sully themselves with such paltry sums of welfare - the right prefers it public money in six figure lump sums, at the very least.<br /><br />4/ Encourage election day to be a celebration of democracy - councils can fund street parties and public concerts, State TV can show worthy docu-dramas on suffragettes and NatRad can get Kim Hill to interview an an Oxbridge expert on the Chartists.Sanctuaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03107330732524823291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-33056388054807163642015-01-06T09:17:07.902+13:002015-01-06T09:17:07.902+13:00Interesting article, but a statistical sample of o...Interesting article, but a statistical sample of one voter doesn't really do much for me. How many of the people that didn't vote have no stake in the outcome – or think they haven't? Perhaps with some justification. I think this deserves a little bit more depth. Although I agree that Internet voting is to put it bluntly going to be crap. :-)Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.com