tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post1095373585623576286..comments2024-03-29T17:12:19.648+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: In A Weakened StateChris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-68564109504555689442012-05-21T22:28:31.971+12:002012-05-21T22:28:31.971+12:00It's the blundering on through the undergrowth...It's the blundering on through the undergrowth - armed to the teeth - for which I, and I suspect a substantial majority of New Zealanders, are still seeking a believable explanation.<br /><br />And if it's a choice between "the bourgeois state" and a bunch of proto-terrorists, well, Martin, I'm quite happy to take the bourgeois state.Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-83888148530607454672012-05-21T19:57:17.728+12:002012-05-21T19:57:17.728+12:00Chris, isn't the failure of the bourgeois stat...Chris, isn't the failure of the bourgeois state in this case a good thing?<br /><br />A victory - ie: conviction of the Urewra 4 on terrorism charges - would have been a bad thing, surely?<br /><br />I think you're right about the boy's brigade aspects, but you also seem to be playing into the hands of the right by slagging the Tuhoi.<br /><br />I would think that you perhaps made a wrong call on this one Chris and should have the grace to retreat slowly, rather than blunder on through the undergrowth.Ethical Martinihttp://ethicalmartini.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-64330045205502674772012-05-18T09:21:34.707+12:002012-05-18T09:21:34.707+12:00I was in Colombo Street when a group of supporters...I was in Colombo Street when a group of supporters were addressing "the masses". The masses weren't taking any notice. A long haired bearded chap appealed to the passers by "we're just Kiwis like you". One laughed to oneself (titter, titter sort of thing). One suppressed an urge to call out something unkind. One continued down Colombo Street.jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-91066122331957165802012-05-15T16:25:44.810+12:002012-05-15T16:25:44.810+12:00They were emphatically not " group of armed i...They were emphatically not " group of armed individuals, who gave every appearance of levying war against the Crown"<br /><br />They were sad sack dreamers who could not afford the paintball fee.<br /><br />If they'd been real revolutionaries they would have used the court as a platform, instead of hiding behind their lawyers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-34434651358137527152012-05-14T21:24:45.234+12:002012-05-14T21:24:45.234+12:00Congratulations, Chris. A strong endorsement of yo...Congratulations, Chris. A strong endorsement of your argument from that famous left-wing radical Stephen Franks on Native Affairs tonight.<br /><br />LLewhttp://www.kiwipolitico.com/index.php?author=27noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-20043093029029267702012-05-14T16:15:52.883+12:002012-05-14T16:15:52.883+12:00"our security services"
Yours, maybe, C..."our security services"<br /><br />Yours, maybe, Chris.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-92187277779902052972012-05-14T08:28:03.409+12:002012-05-14T08:28:03.409+12:00As both the Urewera raids and the more recent Kim ...As both the Urewera raids and the more recent Kim Dotcom arrests have illustrated, the NZ Police are champing at the bit for any opportunity, no matter how inappropriate, to dress up in helmets and balaclavas, leap out of helicopters and wave around high powered weaponry. FFS guys, if that's what you're into, go join the army, get shipped off to Afghanistan and let's see how long you last with that sort of attitude when taking on someone who will most definitely shoot back. <br /><br />Whatever Mr Iti and co were up to, any chance of a rational examination of their activities was lost in the (quite justified) furore surrounding the manner of their arrest...thegreatgonzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14757383753795775971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-65585669532712926002012-05-12T23:52:41.248+12:002012-05-12T23:52:41.248+12:00I think they got off cos they were a bunch of nill...I think they got off cos they were a bunch of nillers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-58958576859694356152012-05-12T16:23:29.482+12:002012-05-12T16:23:29.482+12:00"This posting is exclusive to the Bowalley Ro..."This posting is exclusive to the Bowalley Road blogsite." Godelpus <br /><br />I thought it was a long quote from that idiot at Whaleoil.<br /><br />"Elsewhere a jury would have convicted the perps to the full!" <br /><br />Because their governments have wider powers than I'd want ours to have<br /><br />"At the heart of this failure lies a paucity of intelligence."<br /><br />Maybe they shouldn't have frozen out the Iwi Liason people, they're there for a purpose.<br /><br />"It was the Keystone Cops chasing the Boys Brigade division of Dad's Army"<br /><br />Yes except they scared the crap out of a lot of kids instead of making them laugh.guerilla surgeonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-55592818112812568212012-05-12T05:46:32.911+12:002012-05-12T05:46:32.911+12:00I think the police et al use some "situations...I think the police et al use some "situations" as timely opportunities for a practice run. Police & army used the Napier gunman siege as a real-life chance to check out their operational strategies, give the boys a run in their LAVs, lock-down a town, etc. <br />Whatever was going on in the Ureweras, it was enough to be used as practice for our Terrorist Response capacity. Otherwise, it was just a stunningly stupid response.scintillanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-35738955538889689702012-05-11T20:20:47.089+12:002012-05-11T20:20:47.089+12:00It was the Keystone Cops chasing the Boys Brigade ...It was the Keystone Cops chasing the Boys Brigade division of Dad's Army. Entirely a propos of the current kiwi reputation under a Benny Hill government.<br /><br />akAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-7590264401981604002012-05-11T17:54:48.631+12:002012-05-11T17:54:48.631+12:00A pity you didn't see fit to lay a substantial...A pity you didn't see fit to lay a substantial part of the blame for this fiasco at the feet of Helen Clark's administration which drafted and had passed inept and inoperable anti-terrorist legislation, on which the police and other authorities naively relied.Adolf Fiinkenseinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08045358863278087055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-24916657057438076092012-05-11T16:11:05.436+12:002012-05-11T16:11:05.436+12:00The SIS from a distance does appear well populated...The SIS from a distance does appear well populated by ‘Jonny English’ types and the well worn ‘pie and Penthouse’ bungler legacy. I mean how about the Waihopai dome incident. Three god botherers with scythes bring Echelon down? <br /><br />The blue bellies are not so circumspect and hold a grudge as John Minto, Jimmy O’Dea and others have found out recently at the GI state house removals. Did anyone with any sense of history at NZ Police really think they could form up on “Cullen’s Line” at Ruatoki and get away with it?<br /><br />All that aside I still maintain the only thing the U Four could really be convicted of is behaving like prize dicks. The argument that the inefficiency of those charged with protecting this country could have serious consequences in future would cut more ice if the mulitplicity of spook squads went into the South Island and cleaned out a few of the camo clad white supremacists who also charge about with weapons in the bush.Tiger Mountainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-1985633448417548102012-05-11T15:56:03.356+12:002012-05-11T15:56:03.356+12:00Look, pretty much everyone knows that Iti and comp...Look, pretty much everyone knows that Iti and company think of themselves as revolutionaries. <br /><br />Pretty much everyone also knows exactly what they were doing. They were half playing at soldiers and half training for revolution. <br /><br />Pretty much everyone also knows that insofar as they were playing at soldiers, it's not really a big deal, other than the firearms charges that they were rightly convicted on. <br /><br />But we also all know that insofar as they were serious about actual revolution, they were delusional. They will never be revolutionaries, because... look at them. They aren't even anywhere near as credible as the American militia movement, and everyone knows what a bunch of hopeless, ineffectual dreamers those people are. <br /><br />Groups like the Red Army Fraktion and the FLQ posed an actual, credible threat of violence. Can you imagine Tame Iti and co. trying to rob a bank or kidnap a government minister? It would be like the <i>Dad's Army</i> of urban terrorism. <br /><br />They weren't found guilty because, in the end NZ society sees no value in persecuting Walter Mitty figures.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-11669484075326669732012-05-11T15:15:53.684+12:002012-05-11T15:15:53.684+12:00While Tame was involved in silly activities, all e...While Tame was involved in silly activities, all evidence produced so far doesn't point to his group being much of a threat. <br /><br />A simple phone call may have averted this whole debacle and waste of enormous waste of money. <br /><br />http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.co.nz/2011/09/tama-iti-terrorist.htmlDave Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12428353657153292616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-25805298250842826302012-05-11T13:59:47.578+12:002012-05-11T13:59:47.578+12:00The outcome we got is because the public here is g...The outcome we got is because the public here is generally brainwashed into PC liberal muck. Noone is ever a criminal and apparently it was all harmless fun. Not! And how arrogant and smug the freed accused are. But the media is partly to blame, ultra PC. rabidly liberal and full of the no blame game. No wonder the Australians think we're a bunch of leftie loons on weed! Only in NZ. Elsewhere a jury would have convicted the perps to the full! <br /><br />Is there something in the Marmite perhaps?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com