tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post1249947819680442612..comments2024-03-28T21:25:08.138+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: How Do You Feel? What Do You Think?Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-17830199603419212022020-04-04T12:41:14.198+13:002020-04-04T12:41:14.198+13:00I must say also Kiwi Dave that your categorising o...I must say also Kiwi Dave that your categorising of the left as internationalists leaves me a bit gobsmacked given that it's the left that has consistently pointed out the inequalities which globalisation have both created and worsened. Particularly those sociologists that you people seem to despise for various reasons. (Seriously trying to be polite here.) It's the extreme right – or rather the conservative to libertarian end of the spectrum that is internationalist, because they make the most money out of it, given that they transfer their businesses to cheap labour countries and their money to places that tax them less. As far as I can see the only people on the right who are not internationalist are the fascists and nationalists of various sorts.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-31364443647066894402020-04-04T10:07:00.227+13:002020-04-04T10:07:00.227+13:00Oh dear Kiwi Dave. Unfortunately I tend to judge c...Oh dear Kiwi Dave. Unfortunately I tend to judge conservatives by their actions rather than what they say. For instance, the Fletcher bosses taking a 15% cut in their salaries – versus laying off a whole lot of ordinary workers. It's even worse in the US as I might have mentioned. I think you should probably read a little bit more about social democracy if you think many of those values don't belong there.<br /><br />For instance: <br /><br />"In contrast with many liberals, social democrats believe that freedom has financial and social preconditions. It is not only about securing negative<br />freedoms but ensuring what is called 'positive freedom'. What does the legal<br />right to publish your own opinion help, if you cannot write or do not speak<br />the proper language? And what helps the right to go to school, if the school<br />fees exceed your financial capability? Are you free to study? Only basic<br />education and financial security can enable some freedom of choice."<br /><br />Social democracy maintains that freedom must go beyond the theory and making everyone equal under the law, to make sure that everyone has equality of opportunity. That's the major difference I see between social democracy and conservatism. Conservatism tends to leave everybody who doesn't have financial resources stuck in the mud.<br /><br />And I'm sorry but if Jordan Peterson is an example of conservative thinking I would have to reject conservatism on those grounds alone. As I have explained before, the man plunders other people's work outside his area of expertise, misinterprets it, and spouts it back to tell people what they want to hear without actually considering his own ignorance on the subject. He has been repeatedly picked up on this by actual experts, but neither he or his fanboys take the slightest bit of notice. And it unfortunately reduces my respect for anyone who can't see this. Because outside of clinical psychology the man is as ignorant as buggery.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-33264767801847297422020-04-03T15:48:33.049+13:002020-04-03T15:48:33.049+13:00Thanks for the writing tips Greywarbler. There'...Thanks for the writing tips Greywarbler. There's a very good couple of examples above from austringer on what not to do - or, perhaps not to write under the influence. <br />The value of writing, for me, is that it develops thinking, but only if you do it correctly.<br />Here's part of the intro to a very good guide to writing. Link below.<br /><br />"The primary reason to write an essay is so that the writer can formulate and<br />organise an informed, coherent and sophisticated set of ideas about something<br />important.<br />Why is it important to bother with developing sophisticated ideas, in turn? It’s because<br />there is no difference between doing so and thinking, for starters. It is important to think because action based on thinking is likely to be far less painful and more productive than action based upon ignorance. So, if you want to have a life characterised by competence, productivity, security, originality and engagement rather than one that is nasty, brutish and short, you need to think carefully about important issues. There is no better way to do so than to write. This is because writing extends your memory, facilitates editing and clarifies your thinking."<br /><br />https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://jordanbpeterson.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Essay_Writing_Guide.docxDavid Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883628159193125307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-23527332414449905512020-04-03T12:19:25.127+13:002020-04-03T12:19:25.127+13:00GS "concern for future generations and so on ...GS "concern for future generations and so on I associate with social Democrats rather than conservatives"<br />That's because you choose to rely on what you already believe rather than taking the bother to find out what the conservative philosophy actually is. I posted some links to help you; try reading some of the great conservative thinkers of our time - Roger Scruton, Jordan Peterson, Melanie Phillips, Douglas Murray etc.<br />Social democrats are internationalist and statist with little more than contempt for the cultural heritage, local communities and the value of the family. Control freaks really.<br /><br />Melanie Phillips:<br />"People in the so-called “red wall” constituencies that used to be solidly Labour are down to earth. They are hard-working and thrifty. They greatly dislike money being thrown down the drain.<br /><br />Red wall people take a dim view of “woke” progressivism and social engineering. They value family, community and nation. It was the onslaught on these values by Labour’s embrace of globalisation and liberalism that drove them to the Tories. They wait for measures from this government to support married parents and stay-at-home mothers. They wait for this government to end the child abuse involved in purportedly changing the sex of “transgender” children, to speak up against victim culture and to restore freedom of speech by getting rid of “hate crime”. They may find they wait in vain.<br /><br />The paradox is that the future of conservatism lies with working-class people. That means adopting the traditional values in which they believe.<br /><br />The classless Boris Johnson made it safe for working-class people to reject the Labour Party, which they had come to believe was deeply unpatriotic. If, however, he ignores the truly conservative values of his unexpected constituency, he will find that this newly blued wall promptly turns red again."<br />https://www.melaniephillips.com/tory-policies-dont-look-much-like-conservatism/David Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883628159193125307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-88399398960001388622020-04-03T02:47:12.129+13:002020-04-03T02:47:12.129+13:00@ kiwidave 1st April 12:21 Probably the person you...@ kiwidave 1st April 12:21 Probably the person you are referring to is one Dan Patrick aged 69 and lieutenant governor of Texas. The man who is prepared to take one for the human team for the sake of a better future for his grandchildren.<br /><br />"I respect all faiths and religions, but I am a Christian first, a conservative second and a Republican third, and I praise Jesus for this moment and this day."<br /><br />Among his various claims to fame he gave Rush Limbaugh his start as a radio host way back in 1969.<br /><br />"No one reached out to me and said, 'As a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival, in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren?"' Patrick remarked. "And if that's the exchange, I'm all in."<br /><br />It's a point of view. Even the Donald was spinning that line at one stage. Was that around the all over by Easter day? I don't think the President is lining up with Dan still on sacrificing the seniors.<br /><br />@ Bonzo<br /><br />"The 'Feelz' and empty virtue signalling don't cut it in the real world."<br /><br />Yah waddeva. So you apparently know what goes on in the 'real world'. Got any links for that or is it just your own personal opinion?<br /><br /> gnomicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-67428083760921332472020-04-02T13:56:47.102+13:002020-04-02T13:56:47.102+13:00Funny Kiwi Dave, all those epitome is of conservat...Funny Kiwi Dave, all those epitome is of conservatism you keep going on about, such as concern for future generations and so on I associate with social Democrats rather than conservatives. Still, I guess if conservatives actually lived up to their precepts the world might be a better place.<br />Unfortunately, there are far more stories like this.<br /><br />https://popculture.com/trending/2020/03/30/hobby-lobby-closes-stores-slashes-salaries-following-god-control-remarks-social-media-thoughts/<br />https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amazon-fires-worker-who-organized-warehouse-walkout/ar-BB11YDFG<br /><br />Than like this.<br /><br />https://www.businessinsider.com.au/coronavirus-starbucks-pay-workers-whether-or-not-they-work-2020-3?r=US&IR=TGuerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-20085569255631493792020-04-01T14:10:51.016+13:002020-04-01T14:10:51.016+13:00Bonzo. Unfortunately the people who are advocating...Bonzo. Unfortunately the people who are advocating for a return to work – admittedly these are mostly wealthy people in the US - seem to think that those who will die are "expensive to maintain and unproductive." The rich of course will receive the best of medical care. We should in fact do everything to make sure that the consequences for workers and for small businesses are minimised. But even so, you seem to have missed my other point that it's just not that easy to get the economy working again because the world economy is now so integrated. There are probably some few undeveloped places where this won't matter quite so much, but until China has got on top of this and has started producing/buying again our economy is not going to return to normal no matter how much we pay the politicians to make these decisions. Someone with half a brain might have seen that. Oh shit I'm so trying to be polite given my limited time here at the moment – although that has increased just a tad with the lockdown I guess.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-40311448186607481762020-04-01T12:31:19.818+13:002020-04-01T12:31:19.818+13:00How do I feel? Good, about this new move long aw...How do I feel? Good, about this new move long awaited and begged for.<br /><i>https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2004/S00003/greens-celebrate-end-of-harmful-sanctions-to-single-parents.htm</i><br /><br />Thinking of JanM comment above, with many of these 'dads' who know f-all about living and trying to be good people, for many sad reasons indeed, it is better to have them far away from the tent. Making them own up to fathering a baby by legal force and pursed-mouth punishing preachies, just incurs a feeling in them of resentment, even hate, and then a feeling of ownership without love and commitment. That's a hateful brew with a bitter taste. <br />greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-90893535802714985192020-04-01T12:23:17.579+13:002020-04-01T12:23:17.579+13:00What have you big thinkers got against paragraphs ...What have you big thinkers got against paragraphs and using the enter key for a line space? It only takes a micro-micro of a second. To keep up there is so much to read, a para gives a pause for the end of that joined-up thought before the next starts. <br /><br />A space is as good as a brain holiday of a second, which is all we can have in these fast-moving times.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-7441637230722019432020-04-01T12:12:12.874+13:002020-04-01T12:12:12.874+13:00There was an interview (not in NZ) with a 72 year ...There was an interview (not in NZ) with a 72 year old chap, he said (from memory) that he would rather take his chances with the virus than see the economy and the future of the younger generations trashed. I guess you could say, GS, that his response is the essence of conservatism; the value of sacrifice and a reflection of the unwritten contract between the generations.<br />We are all beneficiaries of the priceless gifts we have received from those that came before; the infrastructure, the culture and it's institutions. The conservative position is that it is our responsibility to preserve and protect those, and, for those coming behind, to not only do likewise but to improve and adapt them for a changing world. The parents represent our culture and inheritance in the commandment: Honour thy Father and thy Mother - an injunction to conserve and improve not arrogantly dismiss. <br />Some quite frightening projections from Bagrie recently on the economics and employment future. Probably a good election to loose coming up with some very constrained options for the "winner" and a lot of pain for the people.<br /> https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/120678367/govt-needs-a-plan-to-get-its-debt-under-control-after-spending-spree-finishesDavid Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883628159193125307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-54788784568899922602020-04-01T10:36:38.762+13:002020-04-01T10:36:38.762+13:00"It's probably better to have him inside ..."It's probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in"JanMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11427849619290293011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-70469759688972999922020-03-31T18:23:45.129+13:002020-03-31T18:23:45.129+13:00GS said "I suppose we should have expected th...GS said "I suppose we should have expected this thing to be politicised. Naturally conservatives balance the number of people who are going to die, against "getting the economy going again." I notice none of them are volunteering to be the first to die, but there you go."<br /><br />Anybody with half a brain balances the future damage to our economy and the lives of our citizens against the avoidable deaths caused by the coronavirus. Otherwise we'd be in lockdown until a vaccine was produced and emerge blinking back into the light only to find we couldn't afford to buy it. Cost v benefit. It's what we pay the politicians to do. Leadership. It's why they age rapidly. The 'Feelz' and empty virtue signalling don't cut it in the real world.Bonzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01107619221542910915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-36943550001792525042020-03-31T13:25:37.166+13:002020-03-31T13:25:37.166+13:00From what I saw of the Special Select Committee, i...From what I saw of the Special Select Committee, it was working as I expected. But I am sure it will become more focussed and forward looking.<br /><br />It is unclear whether the PM has actually telephoned the Leader of the Opposition in the last couple of weeks. It would certainly be the convention to have done so. In these sorts of emergency (and this is bigger than any in my lifetime) the PM of the day invariably takes the Leader of the Opposition into their confidence to explains thing and also seeks their views.<br /><br />Given the background of the two, I would hope that this has happened. It will make the SC process way more efficient and effective.Wayne Mapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12906396523791648270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-33502981917578858652020-03-31T13:06:52.599+13:002020-03-31T13:06:52.599+13:00It is indeed regrettable that politics should be a...It is indeed regrettable that politics should be a factor Guerrilla Surgeon. These are problems requiring real human inputs (judgement and values) that ideology, as always, is ill equipped to offer.<br />I'm not prepared to offer blanket condemnation or praise; the morality or philosophy and consequent actions of individuals is just that; individual. In any case the options have been shut down by government decree; no one (residential) can be evicted for non payment of rent.<br />Commercial leases have a clause (27.5) that, in the event of an emergency and the business being unable to operate by order of a "competent authority" (government etc.), rents shall "cease to be payable". It appears, since we're in a state of emergency, that business tenants have an out.<br />Not so the landlords, the standard business disruption insurance policies (applicable to both landlords and tenants) have an exclusion for "interference to the business caused by or arising in connection with any infectious animal or human diseases".<br />So no help from that quarter. Please note: this is not professional advise - check with your lawyer.<br />My daughter and her husband have a small panel beating business and two young children. They face a very difficult future hence my interest and concern.<br />I don't think we should be too dismissive of the implications of a wall of failure of operations such as theirs. David Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883628159193125307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-45657477857202678792020-03-31T08:52:42.129+13:002020-03-31T08:52:42.129+13:00I suppose we should have expected this thing to be...I suppose we should have expected this thing to be politicised. Naturally conservatives balance the number of people who are going to die, against "getting the economy going again." I notice none of them are volunteering to be the first to die, but there you go. In actual fact, as someone has already noticed, the world economy is so integrated that it's impossible for one small country like ours to get its economy going again – at least without the Chinese getting the economy going again. So it's all a bit moot.<br /><br />And of course large companies seem to be taking advantage, by not paying their bills. Some companies are price gouging, and the reaction of landlords hasn't been particularly charitable either in many cases. I wonder how this fits in with Kiwi Dave's conservative philosophy?<br /><br />What worries me a little, maybe not so much in New Zealand, is that cranks are coming out of the woodwork with quack cures. Mega church leaders are holding church services still, because they feel that either God will protect them, or that people's spiritual welfare is more important than their physical health. People are being lied to – a lot. Still, freedom of speech right? And the dead are simply collateral damage. The price of freedom.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-72170553269137355342020-03-31T08:13:37.163+13:002020-03-31T08:13:37.163+13:00A couple of days ago I mentioned the Swedish coron...A couple of days ago I mentioned the Swedish corona virus strategy. There is a very good article up on UnHerd at the moment explaining and discussing their approach.<br />https://unherd.com/2020/03/all-eyes-on-the-swedish-coronavirus-experiment/<br /><br />Also, coincidentally, one on the Danish strategy and practice just up on Quillette.<br />https://quillette.com/2020/03/29/denmarks-weapons-against-covid-19-early-action-high-trust-and-a-no-nonsense-queen/<br /><br />Good luck All,<br />David George.David Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883628159193125307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-52925582724309341612020-03-30T18:47:01.666+13:002020-03-30T18:47:01.666+13:00Ok, I am not going to insult anyone's intellig...Ok, I am not going to insult anyone's intelligence here by defining the finer points of difference between criticism and scrutiny. <br /><br />However here are a couple of excerpts today of blatant political criticism from a prominent commentator who had a live radio on air chat with the PM.<br /><br />"Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is not a Government festooned with great talent. A lot of these ministers under other governments would barely be making the tea, far less have a portfolio...."<br /><br />"The longer this goes on the more suspicious I get that this is a PR exercise for the Government, and they are as interested in how this plays for them politically, as they are for the lockdown itself and our wider wellbeing...."<br /><br />This commentator has the ears and eyes of many of his so labeled "idiots" in the country. I am not holding my breath waiting for all the inevitable political conspiracy claims made by this commentator's thousands of "idiot" followers.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Katnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-65517085164656995562020-03-30T14:23:27.502+13:002020-03-30T14:23:27.502+13:00We can only hope that some of the wiser members of...We can only hope that some of the wiser members of the National Party caucus advise Simon Bridges not to stuff up the job the Prime Minister has given him.Rowan Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06865802497753414428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-81798519161338875542020-03-30T14:00:55.285+13:002020-03-30T14:00:55.285+13:00A lot of what we have heard from the MP's team...A lot of what we have heard from the MP's team appears wrong.<br /><br />1. Masks work and people can make their own.<br />2. The virus can travel in "clouds" up to 30 meters (staying in aircon systems and vents.<br />3. 60 to 86% of cases are asymptomaic but still infectious.<br />........<br />The virus itself merely kills people but what is always more important is the <i>future</i>. One economist said NZ's ideal population was 2 million (and I discount those with the polluted views of the vested interest). The Black Death was followed by a healthy economy: farming widows quickly remarried combining properties and wages rose. By contrast real wages in tourism and hospitality have been falling here, it is <i>an inconvenient truth</i> "no one wants to talk about". The head of Tourism Holdings says there is a danger "of people coming and buying assets cheap". Simon would be right into that as they will be "Kiwi,Kiwi, Kiwi" (the housing market all over again). <br />John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-83411822806875720552020-03-30T08:34:26.438+13:002020-03-30T08:34:26.438+13:00Chris, The lockdown has certainly had the effect o...Chris, The lockdown has certainly had the effect of making everyone in NZ aware of the severity of the situation. However, common sense must now prevail at all levels if we are to have any chance of moving forward from the lockdown.<br />We are constantly reminded that there are daily updates available on the ministry of Health’s website. However, these updates are clearly censored and inadequate. This is an abuse of power on the part of the government and a significant failure in their duty and responsibility to the people of New Zealand. The individual case report was made totally useless, on Saturday, by the removal of the details field and the incomplete nature of the report does not inspire confidence.<br />The Covid-19 current case details report is the government’s direct path to the public. It should inform us and assist us in helping get on top of this epidemic. Detailed information including specific locations and case interactions would help the general populous fight the disease. Instead, through a withholding of information, the government is taking all power away from the public and they are instead asking us to simply do as we are told.<br />We know from the American experiences that the disease takes between 2 and 11 days to show symptoms after infection with an average of 5 days. We also know that the primary means of infection are close contact with an infected person for a significant period of time or, the touching of mouth or nose after touching an infected surface.<br />New Zealand and New Zealanders are unique. An informed and proactive population could do so much more in terms of defeating this disease than any central government response will ever achieve. It is a great pity that New Zealand is not being given the opportunity to shine.Fishermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00693720768149720929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-46198672185860488012020-03-30T08:33:16.669+13:002020-03-30T08:33:16.669+13:00A helpful and hopeful comment:
"Epidemics, de...A helpful and hopeful comment:<br />"Epidemics, depressions, and wars are natural aspects of life. If we become weak, one of these ills eventually will destroy our society. For (insert country of your choice) to survive, each of us must stay connected and committed to our communities and nation. As the Director-General of WHO has said since the beginning, we can survive this well if we support each other. We have the resources. We need only the standard virtues of compassion and courage plus some wit and willpower."<br />https://fabiusmaximus.com/2020/03/29/fauci-briefs-america-covid-19/David Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883628159193125307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-83706790318616493652020-03-30T08:05:07.836+13:002020-03-30T08:05:07.836+13:00Oops, it was Max, not Trev you were responding to ...Oops, it was Max, not Trev you were responding to Kat. Sorry.<br />BTW Was it only 17 days ago that Jacinda's Christchurch memorial event was still all go and Phil Goff made the (uncharacteristically courageous) call to cancel Pacifika? Seems like a different world.<br />David Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883628159193125307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-64309901715290303282020-03-30T07:47:07.704+13:002020-03-30T07:47:07.704+13:00Thank you Kat, you came to the same conclusion as ...Thank you Kat, you came to the same conclusion as Trev at the end and fair enough.<br />Interesting times and, yes, we should all play along but I don't see general criticism of the Government's actions/inaction being suppressed for long if the overseas examples are anything to go by; governments that have largely followed similar paths to our own. Our MSM have been almost entirely supportive so far but there will be a lot of resentment building in the people the longer this carries on. <br />It's only a couple of weeks ago that our borders were largely open (save having a card waved at you saying stay indoors) and the advice was to wash your hands and don't be mean to the Chinese. Obviously a huge question mark over A/ the advice to the government from the health department and B/ the extent to which any advice was followed. We shall see.<br />Agreed, there is no need for unreasonable criticism (I don't think Trev's comments were) or, on the other hand, childish adulation. The government appear to be handing it reasonably well at the moment considering the circumstances. <br />People don't always behave reasonably however; there is looting and disorder breaking out in Italy at the moment and the real possibility of the imposition of marshal law.<br />David Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883628159193125307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-83502287108054501152020-03-29T17:31:26.291+13:002020-03-29T17:31:26.291+13:00The President,of America,they will the people be g...The President,of America,they will the people be glad when this one is gone,a global virus pandemic,and maybe,i may decide to lock down close the raods to the infection,close down the city and its affiliates maybe close down the state.This is the mind set of the american president,thank god we are not living in america,the governor of the the state said ,i dont understand the meaning of locking down our state,what capitalist brain dead mind sets they must have,profit over people,our up town wannabbe,who aint getin nothing but the back benches,as shall his deputy,like ONE TIME CHANCERS WHO,unlike shiply and creech,stabed spud bolger to gain control,and them giving the nats the biggest kicking at the ballot box.Ask key boy his most inluential politician he respected,said shiply,what a pair a self serving low fruit pickers. austringerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13632198939372234978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-89674743736612392020-03-29T17:05:17.007+13:002020-03-29T17:05:17.007+13:00Our Prime Minister,with cogent belief,in our speci...Our Prime Minister,with cogent belief,in our specialist viral health care experts,along with health daily proffesionals in our hospitals and local practacing surgeries advice,has acted with stern resolve, and to minimize as best we all can, how we now find ourselves, WITH COMMUNITY DILLIGENCE ,to the health care advice of our health care proffessionals in this self, street,appartment bubbles.<br />The other side of the fence,or should say Parliament,across the floor,has with all its futile negativy,has come to the bubble with reluctance,with hypocrit words like,we salute all those health care workers,all those designated industries we salute them,realy was it not in the weeks prior to this cognet lock down,you where riddiculing the minimum wage rise,hypocracy.austringerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13632198939372234978noreply@blogger.com