tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post1649001356959121295..comments2024-03-29T17:12:19.648+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Of Messengers And Messages: Reflections On Rachel Smalley's Controversial Column.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-17640040664174899232015-08-13T16:26:14.892+12:002015-08-13T16:26:14.892+12:00I was trying to be sort of ironic. Probably didn&#...I was trying to be sort of ironic. Probably didn't come off then? But when you think about it, we've had Maggie Barry, Mike Hosking, Lindsay Perigo, and Sean Plunkett. All of whom were a bit up and down in hiding their beliefs.To the extent that they did I guess that radio New Zealand was/is successful in being middle-of-the-road. And it certainly is something other counterweight to the commercial stations, all of which make me want to vomit. Although nothing comes close to Fox News :-).Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-51012531453612032012015-08-13T10:56:00.358+12:002015-08-13T10:56:00.358+12:00@GS
"And let's face it, it would be a r...@GS <br /><br />"And let's face it, it would be a refreshing change to have someone with a slightly left bias doing something on National Radio."<br /><br />Really? RNZ would be one of the more liberal/left of the radio stations as they work hard at their public role and look to be inclusive and avoid bias - for instance, you will hear much more from union reps and Maori focussed personalities there than almost any other media outlet I can think of. Though, I do admit to the guilty secret of occasionally listening to the likes of ZB as sort of a Coronation Street counter balance where one is much more likely to hear the right of centre and 'hang 'em high' type views. <br /><br />At a personal level I've never enjoyed Campbell as I find his manner saccharine (yes petty of me but it is entertainment with a general hat flip in the direction of true journalism and I measure it as such) and have had sufficient personal exposure to a couple of TV3's exposees on Campbell Live to distrust their research and independence. It was always about the exposee or supposed sufferer even when the facts did not support the message in the cases I had personal exposure to. In Campbell's defence if Story has the same research crew and overall direction this will probably continue. Also being fair the competition aren't exactly all quality either.<br /><br />But back to Chris's main point - I think he has hit a very important nail firmly on the head. I work in business where there are plenty of successful women and unsuccessful men. The 'system', for want of a better term, is such that the traits required for success are often ones that many, including myself, are not traits we wish to either have or employ or enjoy on a regular basis. For many there is more to life than immense success at work with its related sacrifices in other areas. The idea that somehow an increase in the percentage of women in the workforce will fundamentally change the way this works is, in hindsight, obviously incorrect. The majority of male employees do not have the traits of the drivers and influencers and that's never had a real influence in the past. <br /><br />Smalley sort of had a point in that her implied assumption that the views of the presenter affect the message in what purports to be journalism in these TV slots is, sadly, true. Campbell, being a case in point. He was honest in that he deliberately and transparently represented a given set of beliefs and the idea that these are journalism in the old style where the arguments are presented in a factual and none slanted manner as possible is much rarer. I would argue she is wrong though in thinking that would affect the message as relates to the female view as I would expect Campbell to bend over backwards in such circumstances, probably more so than the majority of presenters. Male or Female. <br />Scousernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-7806023359020136842015-08-12T13:43:50.272+12:002015-08-12T13:43:50.272+12:00From what I can gather, the kid is also doing duty...From what I can gather, the kid is also doing duty on national radio in the afternoon. I guess they're trying to get a younger audience. So why not have a comedian do the job.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-37326302666700116182015-08-12T12:46:25.220+12:002015-08-12T12:46:25.220+12:00It's amazing how the myth of superior female v...It's amazing how the myth of superior female virtue has survived the realities of women in power. <br /><br />I'd like to see more of them in powerful positions because they still face some discrimination even in the most liberal societies and discrimination just isn't right.<br /><br />But life, experience, history and common sense all militate against viewing more women in senior roles as a recipe for reason, peace or siblingly love.<br /><br />After all, they're just people.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-55351702233336376572015-08-12T11:46:28.163+12:002015-08-12T11:46:28.163+12:00Well said Chris, both post and clarification.
The ...Well said Chris, both post and clarification.<br />The political stance of these people is way more relevant but on the balance of that I differ. I find most of the media and National radio in particular almost entirely liberal left. On National, Kim Hill and Jim Mora are about the only ones I cannot place (making them the best by far) but all the rest cannot help showing they are softly left as most journalists are. Was it 68% in the last anonymous survey? Sunday Morning is entirely left wing propaganda and has been so for about 20 years. <br />I'm not really complaining about this, as it does help balance the fact that the majority of people are softly right wing and expect the media to be left so take all they say with a healthy dose of salt. The world works well this way, hence the political success of the conservative parties everywhere: they are representative of us. The media isn't.Charles Enoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-49878076329521189012015-08-12T09:00:23.792+12:002015-08-12T09:00:23.792+12:00On The Panel's "what's on your mind?&...On <i>The Panel's</i> "what's on your mind?" Someone congratulated "the media" for it's role in highlighting sideline racism in sport. Which is all very well, but when you read the tone on Public Address, you (or I) get the feeling that here are people who are waaaaaay above the ordinary people with a duty to correct their ways: the people can do little but <i>grunt</i>.<br /><br />What I see is the super confident type who becomes the student politician and (being empty) goes in search of a persona?jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-63055717270031278812015-08-11T20:21:46.089+12:002015-08-11T20:21:46.089+12:00Guerilla talking about lack of gravitas...TV One h...Guerilla talking about lack of gravitas...TV One have the kid looking foreign correspondent who also stands in for Hosking.. !!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-20556125284044306052015-08-11T14:00:26.023+12:002015-08-11T14:00:26.023+12:00Thanks for explaining, Chris - that makes senseThanks for explaining, Chris - that makes senseJanMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-81433505155060453622015-08-11T13:39:50.245+12:002015-08-11T13:39:50.245+12:00No, no, no, JanM! That's not what I think at a...No, no, no, JanM! That's not what I think at all.<br /><br />My view is that the qualities attributed to gender are structurally determined. Thus, when structures change, ideas about gender change with them.<br /><br />Women will only be considered "soft, sweet and helpless" if the structure in which they - along with men - are embedded is strengthened by portraying them as such. (As was the case with middle-class Victorian patriarchy.)<br /><br />Political structures, however, have little use for human-beings who are "soft, sweet and helpless" - and will punish anyone, male or female, who manifests such qualities.<br /><br />That women display as much toughness as their male counterparts in open political environments is, therefore, proof of their fundamental equality with men. And this will be true of any environment that is not consciously structured to advantage one sex over the other.<br /><br />Only in this sense is Smalley correct. If the entire radio broadcasting industry was dominated by sexist males determined to keep talented female broadcasters out of prime-time, then fostering a more meritocratic environment would certainly include, at least in its initial stages, a measure of positive discrimination. There is, however, considerable doubt that the industry is dominated by such people. <br /><br />It is on this, the reef of fact, that her argument ultimately founders.Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-13890685714262652062015-08-11T13:19:09.390+12:002015-08-11T13:19:09.390+12:00in next weeks Listener cover story it speaks to 3 ...in next weeks Listener cover story it speaks to 3 women who now head all our intelligence services ...from GCSB, SIS etc....and one is a declared lesbian and all Govt. appointed...so much for class ceilings and gender bias and blending arguements....i can't figure out Smalley's point because she's a very experienced journalist and has been in Afghanistan twice and worked for SKYTV in London...maybe being on at 5 am each morning prior to bloody Hosking is doing her head in?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09061337172455735266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-18786434660239616262015-08-11T12:13:32.718+12:002015-08-11T12:13:32.718+12:00The thing that annoys me most about this piece of ... The thing that annoys me most about this piece of flummery from Rachel Smalley is that it seems a cynical misuse of the feminist argument out of some sense of pique. I would argue that John Campbell has much greater empathy than she will ever have and that, in a way, is the basis of the argument. Rachel herself has been caught out making comments which show her to be both shallow and judgmental, and I know who I would rather have a conversation with!<br />I think Rachel has made an ass of herself.<br />It's an interesting perspective you have too, Chris - it carries an assumption that women need a voice because they are all soft,sweet and helpless - it's really that as we have different functions biologically we sometimes have different priorities, which have been (and still are to some extent) not taken into account when important decisions are madeJanMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-31249251825822011512015-08-11T10:24:25.054+12:002015-08-11T10:24:25.054+12:00Thank God for John Campbell. Actually I'm not ...Thank God for John Campbell. Actually I'm not his greatest fan, partly because he looks about 16 which tends to leave him without a great deal of gravitas :-). But give him credit, he will ask the hard questions, and doesn't annoy you as much as Mary Wilson, who is a bit like a bull at a gate. Credit to her though, as Campbell said she doesn't give up, and when you're dealing with someone like Winston – that's well needed.<br />And let's face it, it would be a refreshing change to have someone with a slightly left bias doing something on National Radio.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.com