tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post228171690747350541..comments2024-03-29T17:12:19.648+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Protecting The TPP.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-57608455450866236182016-03-22T09:50:26.746+13:002016-03-22T09:50:26.746+13:00The whole thing is a farce: what the fekk does it ...The whole thing is a farce: what the fekk does it say about our democracy and institutions when we need "security"? I remember as a student Rob Muldoon wandering around Wellington no security in sight or obvious. Do these politicians and public servants really need protection from "us"? Or is it just a big ego trip (oh Im so important that I need an entourage)?Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-45934747675706364332016-03-20T08:50:54.335+13:002016-03-20T08:50:54.335+13:00I despair at the repetitive stupidity of human bei...I despair at the repetitive stupidity of human beings....in a polarized increasingly extremist society history has demonstrated time and time again nobody wins and yet here we go again....mass extinction due to CC is probably the best outcome.pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727942156598555852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-40595036703030875892016-03-20T01:10:20.553+13:002016-03-20T01:10:20.553+13:00Note sure whether this will be seen - but it shows...Note sure whether this will be seen - but it shows just how rude Sean Plunket was:<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEmZOVJY9SMkiwinoelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05803851960350015290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-23737380776501372252016-03-20T01:08:36.150+13:002016-03-20T01:08:36.150+13:00Check this clip out. https://www.youtube.com/watch...Check this clip out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEmZOVJY9SMkiwinoelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05803851960350015290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-16481773525840564172016-03-20T00:00:20.273+13:002016-03-20T00:00:20.273+13:00"It would seem that both Josie Butler and the..."It would seem that both Josie Butler and the Minister were telling the truth."<br />Well no, not really. There's a world of difference between being ex-military working for a security company and being an active serviceperson in the NZ Defence Forces. Furthermore such activity would be a massive violation of Section 9 of the NZ Defence Act 1990 and our Army isn't keen on that sort of thing - if they were active service personnel they'd hardly likely to be wearing service pins and blithely imparting this information to protesters, and quite frankly, for all its hubris, the government just isn't that stupid. It is, however, a point of concern that security for this sort of event is being tendered to private contractors. <br /> Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05670888908681425630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-47531915742114526392016-03-19T19:52:54.467+13:002016-03-19T19:52:54.467+13:00Yes, it is extremely serious if the armed services...Yes, it is extremely serious if the armed services were involved in security. I will write an Official Information request to head of the defence force.<br /><br />Contacted them a couple of years ago extremely concerned about the exercises they have been running in New Zealand with the scenario of an internal uprising by New Zealanders. Apparently in Wairarapa people were sent off to hide in barns on country properties and army were sent to get them.<br /><br />I told the head of defence force (pretty sure it was the person before Mr Kelly) that they were not to take up arms against the poorest New Zealanders who are currently being persecuted while rich are advanced.<br /><br />Scary stuff, those in power gone mad.J E Routhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07170187617917704526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-73930328626343438232016-03-19T19:44:42.292+13:002016-03-19T19:44:42.292+13:00"I wonder on what basis Josie Butler judged t..."I wonder on what basis Josie Butler judged them to be military personnel?"<br /><br />Possibly on this basis?<br /><br />" I noticed one of the guys had an army badge pinned to his lapel, I asked him if he was military and he confirmed that all security present today were army personnel.”<br /><br />He might have said "ex-military", and she might have missed it. Or he might have said military meaning ex-military who knows. But it's a bit of a stretch to say she jumped to a conclusion. More a question of did she jump or was she pushed I suspect :).<br />Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-66945034352126057532016-03-19T15:55:22.340+13:002016-03-19T15:55:22.340+13:00I wonder on what basis Josie Butler judged them to...I wonder on what basis Josie Butler judged them to be military personnel? Seems she wasn't correct and no amount of saying she and Gerry Brownlee are both correct can hide that. She is obviously good at jumping to conclusions.<br />It appears that you have attracted a real intellectual in Dale-Maree Chris.....Jigsawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13906156865367357834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-19011193474834666762016-03-19T12:25:16.910+13:002016-03-19T12:25:16.910+13:00"Why would one claim that NZDF was involved i..."Why would one claim that NZDF was involved in protecting the event when it's clear to anyone there that it's private security?"<br />It's not necessarily clear to anyone there. Why would you assume it was?Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-81209979487237094162016-03-19T10:21:12.120+13:002016-03-19T10:21:12.120+13:00Why would one target the public servants involved?...Why would one target the public servants involved? They're working to the instructions of the government and from what I understand in this case often in the face of their Minister's pompous blundering.<br /><br />Why would you be surprised that such a blunt force attempt to hijack an event designed to provide information about the deal on the table is shut down? If the format only allows questions posed to the panel, then pose questions to the panel. There are more than enough curly questions around the deal as it stands to highlight the problems with the agreement without having to resort to a soapbox circus.<br /><br />Why would one claim that NZDF was involved in protecting the event when it's clear to anyone there that it's private security? In the first place it does a disservice to NZDF. Secondly it misses a trick on the more vexing question of why the government is contracting private security firms of this nature in a domestic context.<br /><br />This seems to be a growing problem with the activist community. They play all the wrong angles, then return to the echo chamber to applaud each other on a job well done. Meanwhile, the rest of the world shakes their head and goes about their business. Opposition to the TPP has been broad-based and popular. Stunts like this push it back to the margins. It's a total own goal. I don't know about dick of the year, but Josie Butler certainly wins dick of the day to my mind.Trevor Albertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-5570469415708409282016-03-19T08:15:46.796+13:002016-03-19T08:15:46.796+13:00All the National puppets paying out on Josie.. you...All the National puppets paying out on Josie.. you all need the award tooAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03569655489927775786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-47974148778691379392016-03-19T08:14:57.122+13:002016-03-19T08:14:57.122+13:00All the National puppets paying out on Josie... lo...All the National puppets paying out on Josie... lol you lot hate being exposed with goon squads.. stick your TPPA where the sun doesnt shine ☺Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03569655489927775786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-75458835989586641422016-03-18T23:34:41.786+13:002016-03-18T23:34:41.786+13:00Boycott the meetings. There really isn't a lo...Boycott the meetings. There really isn't a lot that can be achieved.peteswriteplacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474922953916383101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-26369474334069204482016-03-18T22:38:56.829+13:002016-03-18T22:38:56.829+13:00Josie Butler has stopped being cheeky and funny, t...Josie Butler has stopped being cheeky and funny, the limelight has gone to her head, bring in the police on any more wilful behaviour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-17472531845561038532016-03-18T20:55:54.807+13:002016-03-18T20:55:54.807+13:00God, "October Protection" - to think we ...God, "October Protection" - to think we have goon squads like that in NZ and operating in a civil context. I thought that sort of thing was limited to the Americans in Iraq. Where is this country heading?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-46533473174688467942016-03-18T19:20:31.623+13:002016-03-18T19:20:31.623+13:00Butler is an attention seeking nut, a legend in he...Butler is an attention seeking nut, a legend in her own reality show.<br />She has zero credibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-63891700612442061792016-03-18T16:54:42.559+13:002016-03-18T16:54:42.559+13:00Josie Butler's efforts hardly seem to be desig...Josie Butler's efforts hardly seem to be designed to protect democracy-quite the opposite in fact,she seems determined shut down what was supposed to be a series of information sessions to present the facts on the TPPA rather than the opinions of the uninformed. I have just heard a reporter on Newstalk ZB who said that she didn't see any sign of anyone from the army at the Wellington meeting although she looked. For you to say that the TPP should have been agreed by parliament -unlike any other trade agreement ever entered into is simply wrong as I am sure you know.<br />Jigsawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13906156865367357834noreply@blogger.com