tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post2306049673743412216..comments2024-03-29T03:41:12.499+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: The Longest Year.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-21095179473447674382021-12-24T13:35:13.020+13:002021-12-24T13:35:13.020+13:00Chris
I understood your first notification.
Let...Chris<br /><br />I understood your first notification. <br /><br />Let me put the intent of my last post less crudely:<br /><br />If you don't want to be insulted, don't insult me.<br /><br />This dog only bites after being poked with a stick.<br /><br />And you are right, ad hominem arguments are not arguments. I have known this to be true since 1980 when I read R.H.Thouless' "Straight and Crooked Thinking".<br /><br />I look forward to productive commentary on this blog in the New Year Shane McDowallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354384369518580573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-79101089288725562982021-12-24T12:20:50.739+13:002021-12-24T12:20:50.739+13:00I'm not personally offended Shane; I see your ...I'm not personally offended Shane; I see your epithets for what they are: a cynical attempt to stifle genuine discourse, to cast your ideological opponent as morally deficient, beyond the pale, not worthy of further discussion. You're better than that.David Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883628159193125307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-55162021610290922922021-12-24T11:02:12.148+13:002021-12-24T11:02:12.148+13:00To: Shane McDowall.
No, Shane, you have misunders...To: Shane McDowall.<br /><br />No, Shane, you have misunderstood me.<br /><br />The giving of shit is banned.<br /><br />Disagree by all means - explain why. But ad hominem arguments are a) not arguments, and b) not conducive to a calm and friendly exchange of ideas and opinions.<br /><br />Leave your shit in the toilet - where it belongs.Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-12192769207401775302021-12-24T10:00:58.742+13:002021-12-24T10:00:58.742+13:00Chris
People posting here simply have to remember...Chris<br /><br />People posting here simply have to remember the ancient Chinese proverb:<br /><br />"If you can't take shit, don't give shit".<br /><br />Simple.Shane McDowallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354384369518580573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-15002771465056097102021-12-24T02:43:32.387+13:002021-12-24T02:43:32.387+13:00In this strangest of years, I have found myself in...In this strangest of years, I have found myself increasingly agreeing with Shane and enjoying the cynical one-liners.<br /><br />I would like to note: both Shane and David have been reflective, especially on issues regarding the indigenous. As they say, we are all on a journey. I might not always agree with either of them, but I have often found commonality with both. I hope 2022 will not see a redaction in Shane or David's expressionism. <br /><br />Anyway, Season's best to all. Thankfully because of Covid restrictions I don't have to ride a donkey for a census to a village I am 41 generations removed from. The Barronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-64716679904790700102021-12-23T19:57:52.636+13:002021-12-23T19:57:52.636+13:00I can't really see that in our MSM. Sort of th...I can't really see that in our MSM. Sort of thing every government believes of the media. Stuff has been good in my view, though my cousin in govt looked at me as so I was subscribing to Satanism and recommended Scoop.<br /><br />Well said about the NZ people and the selfish, ignorant people who oppose science and so democracy. Why is it Boguns know the real truth and not anyone else? What is it about this great people that makes them the chosen ones?sumsuchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03133092096534660472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-75076572575932023102021-12-23T15:10:31.373+13:002021-12-23T15:10:31.373+13:00To: David George @14:50
I couldn't agree more...To: David George @14:50<br /><br />I couldn't agree more, David.<br /><br />I was looking back at some of my earlier postings on this blog and what struck me most forcefully was the quality of the comments. Participants like the much-missed "Victor" and "Olwyn" offered some extraordinary contributions.<br /><br />So, let the word go forth from this time and place: the moderation of Bowalley Road is going to get a lot tougher in 2022. If readers want to get a comment posted, then here is what they will have to do:<br /><br />Make an argument - using evidence.<br /><br />Play the ball - not the man. Abusive, snarky, condescending commentary will not make it through.<br /><br />Here endeth the lesson. And, if you don't like it - blame David!Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-41828450511035402342021-12-23T14:55:27.806+13:002021-12-23T14:55:27.806+13:00Well Tom, if you right wingers have abandoned the ...Well Tom, if you right wingers have abandoned the mainstream media, how come you keep complaining about it? You shouldn't know anything about it – having abandoned it and all.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-39815145486807347712021-12-23T14:50:12.968+13:002021-12-23T14:50:12.968+13:00Less of the gratuitous insults would be good Shane...Less of the gratuitous insults would be good Shane. I come here to exchange ideas with others, to think and to write, I like and respect our host. It would be a shame to see the site degenerate into vexatious name calling that adds nothing and takes away so much. David Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883628159193125307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-35141790560929185302021-12-23T10:42:53.080+13:002021-12-23T10:42:53.080+13:00Shane McDowall. You sum your self well,. You arte ...Shane McDowall. You sum your self well,. You arte entitled to "not give a shit" Merry Christmas.<br />John Drinnannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-47239311537113757592021-12-22T15:15:48.922+13:002021-12-22T15:15:48.922+13:00...and even then we don't know the comorbities...<i>...and even then we don't know the comorbities of them but there's no reason to think it's more than 5-6% as Italy and the US have recently revealed.</i><br /><br />Grrr... that should have read<br /><br />...and even then we don't know the comorbities of them but there's no reason to think it's less than 94-95% of all c-19 deaths, as Italy and the US have recently revealed.<br /><br />I'd add that this also fits with the medical analysis of C-19 deaths from quite early on where the deaths were overwhelmingly among the old and those with health problems.Tom Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840988228699338463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-17821793418160395142021-12-22T15:14:41.971+13:002021-12-22T15:14:41.971+13:00Best joke of the year -
"In Austria they hav...Best joke of the year -<br /><br />"In Austria they have reintroduced lockdowns, but only for the unvaccinated, many Austrians have compared it to Nazi Germany, but others didn't like it." <br /><br />Frankie BoyleThe Barronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-8744491443417815142021-12-22T12:55:01.410+13:002021-12-22T12:55:01.410+13:00David George
I have no doubt you care about the p...David George<br /><br />I have no doubt you care about the pronunciation of English words.<br /><br />I have strong doubts that you can or do pronounce Maori words correctly.<br /><br />You are, judging by your frequent posts on this blog, an obvious elderly white supremacist.<br /><br />And, once again ...<br /><br />Meri Kirihimete GrandpaShane McDowallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354384369518580573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-12344357630091214392021-12-22T12:49:59.575+13:002021-12-22T12:49:59.575+13:00Unknown
So, Frank Haden is dead. Wow, I had no id...Unknown<br /><br />So, Frank Haden is dead. Wow, I had no idea. Thank you for enlightening me Oh Enlightened One.<br /><br />While you are handing out the spelling lessons you might want to learn the difference between its and it's and too and to. Pedant.<br /><br />People can believe whatever they like. I do not give a shit.Shane McDowallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354384369518580573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-21136275186995441492021-12-22T10:16:53.086+13:002021-12-22T10:16:53.086+13:00Chris I have been reading your articles for decad...Chris I have been reading your articles for decades and yet do not know exactly what your ideal New Zealand looks like. It is obviously socialist. Is it something like the Swedish model with a capitalist economy and high social spending funded by high personal tax and GST? Perhaps you could describe it for us?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17517223889101067811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-89902601219103696802021-12-22T07:34:44.128+13:002021-12-22T07:34:44.128+13:00Thanks Shane, I do try and pronounce words correct...Thanks Shane, I do try and pronounce words correctly. The current PM's "communidy" annoys me for some reason and disappointed to hear Chris Luxon falling into that as well. Jacinda's "jepradise" is just about unforgivable though.<br />Merry Christmas to you and all the Bowalley Rd. people.David Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883628159193125307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-64620906624586719112021-12-21T21:08:42.470+13:002021-12-21T21:08:42.470+13:00Kiwis are now over 94% vaccinated
That's fir...<i>Kiwis are now over 94% vaccinated </i><br /><br />That's first dose. Second dose <a href="https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/450874/covid-19-data-visualisations-nz-in-numbers" rel="nofollow">is at 87%</a> and has barely budged in days. That's eligible population of course, which is defined differently around the world, hence Worldometer and OurWorldindata do it on total population basis. Looking at us compared to other <a rel="nofollow">Western nations</a> shows the same rise and plateau to much the same mid-70% levels, which implies that they must be as high as us in terms of eligible population.<br /><br />Not that it matters since highly vaxxed nations like Israel and Ireland have had huge case number increases with Delta, as have highly vaxxed US states like Vermont, whereas less-vaxxed Florida has some of the lowest case-rates. It seems to be a seasonal thing but obviously the vaccines have not proven to be as protective on the infection and tranmission fronts, although they are doing their work in reducing sickness and death among the vulnerable and will certainly show the same with Omicron. In any case the latter seems little worse than a cold according to data from South Africa and now other places.<br /><br /><i>child vaccinations should be done ASAP</i> <br /><br />Why? Kids aged under twelve have had rates of sickness and death so low that they're statistically zero. That's around the world, and that's across all variants for two years now. Afraid of them spreading it? The last study of such was in 2020 with the Alpha and it showed the transmission was from adult to child, not vice-versa. In any case, if you're fully vaccinated why are you not protected from kids? Much better to let them get it so their immune systems are powered up, as they are for many other such respiratory viruses.<br /><br />Re Hitler, both his Weimar predecessor and his post-WWII successor also opposed vaccine mandates, the former simply not enforcing what was on the books and the latter not re-introducing them. But comparing anti-mandate people to von Papen or Adenauer doesn't have the same, desired impact.<br /><br />Lastly, according to MOH, as of today there have been 6,552 unvaccinated cases in this Delta outbreak. Ten have died, which is a Case Fatality Rate of 0.15%, and even then we don't know the comorbities of them but there's no reason to think it's more than 5-6% as Italy and the US have recently revealed.Tom Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840988228699338463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-60033471566811127542021-12-21T17:37:46.925+13:002021-12-21T17:37:46.925+13:00Shane McDowall. People are \allowqwed too disagree...Shane McDowall. People are \allowqwed too disagree. Its Frank Haden, and he is long dead<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795575742612940961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-60255968370041838472021-12-21T13:30:15.561+13:002021-12-21T13:30:15.561+13:00David George - the names Akarana, Poneke and Niu T...David George - the names Akarana, Poneke and Niu Tirene (note the letter order) are NOT 'bastardisations' of European names. They are transliterations, a common practice when rendering proper nouns and words in languages - especially alphabets - different from the words' original. Because the Maori alphabet has different sounds associated with the familiar roman symbols (lettering), transliteration is a perfectly sensible approach to rendering place names - in Maori OR English. Ever heard of this Ihu Karaiti bloke? Quite.<br /><br />Or in Russian, for that matter. I have seen a Russian atlas, all the place names in the Cyrillic alphabet. My home town is rendered thus: Ouaitara. Still pronounced the same. That is an English language transliteration from the Russian transliteration of the Maori name. A 'bastardisation' it is not.Archduke Piccolohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533325665451889661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-70307438950040692222021-12-21T13:21:54.024+13:002021-12-21T13:21:54.024+13:00No Dave, Akarana, Poneke and Nui Tireni are transl...No Dave, Akarana, Poneke and Nui Tireni are transliterations, not bastardisations.<br /><br />Bastardisations are words like "Pram" aka Paraparaumu.<br /><br />Also the way you, no doubt, pronounce every Maori word are also bastardisations.<br /><br />Off the top of my head I can think of two Polynesian words that were transliterated into English; tatau became tattoo and tapu became taboo.<br /><br />Tasman named these islands Staten Landt. New Zealand was the creation of a Dutch cartographer.<br /><br />This post and your previous posts clearly show you are soul mates with Don Brash, Frank Hayden and Lindsay Perigo.<br /><br />You really should re-read Chris' brilliant word portrait of "Cousin Simon" as that is exactly what I suspect you look like.<br /><br />Meri Kirihimeti Grandpa.Shane McDowallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354384369518580573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-87059228884418407372021-12-21T12:12:01.034+13:002021-12-21T12:12:01.034+13:00Kiwis are now over 94% vaccinated and on track for...Kiwis are now over 94% vaccinated and on track for even higher rates with NZ one of the most highest vaccinated countries in the world against CoVid19. Case numbers are dropping due to vaccination rates, NZ summer, social distancing, mask wearing and vaccination mandates. Hopefully our health measures will hold up against Omicron once it gets into the community. Ramping up vaccine booster jabs and child vaccinations should be done ASAP in preparation for the virulent Omicron variant to allow NZ to maintain more Freedoms in 2022. What we see in the misguided protestors is a poorly attempted ‘tyranny of the tiny minority’ with spurious and ridiculous claims that their Freedoms are being taken away with offensive comparisons with Nazi Germany. Ironically, Hitler did not support smallpox vaccine mandates in Germany as his health metrics showed that more Jews, disabled and poor people would die if unvaccinated so he deliberately opposed vaccine mandates in the 1930s. Disadvantaging a tiny number of zealots in access to gyms, cafes, restaurants and bars and concerts/ festivals due to their own choice is fair and equitable. Antivaxxers are an annoying gnat that most Kiwis are simply ignoring. It must be infuriating to them that they are so marginalised and ignored except to be made fun of. 🤓Parks3https://www.blogger.com/profile/10178398426258947292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-89217213341136140112021-12-21T11:41:04.291+13:002021-12-21T11:41:04.291+13:00Anonymous at 17.28
Righteous anger against 'th...Anonymous at 17.28<br />Righteous anger against 'them' which turns out to be anyone with an idea who puts their head above the parapet. That's NZ - likes black and white, without too much nuance. Last time I mentioned parapet someone responded with reminder about Pythons French Taunting. So I suggest you look that up on youtube as today's mood-enhancing giggle. <br /><br />Perhaps our prevailing mood is being displayed physically in the prosaic residential settlements with no colour - featuring just black roof and beige walls. And of course no consideration for climate change - black roof holding heat, and flat fronts with no shade-giving eaves. A media that is funded by housing and property exchange - we are lucky to have the upshoots of good journalism we have, nurture those green shoots!greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-67947042907509074182021-12-21T11:29:42.504+13:002021-12-21T11:29:42.504+13:00BTW, after all the tub-thumping from you and your ...BTW, after all the tub-thumping from you and your commentators about <a href="https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2021/12/keeping-out-virus-of-racism.html" rel="nofollow">Keeping Out The Virus Of Racism.</a>, I see that the fixed checkpoints up North <a href="https://nominister.wordpress.com/2021/12/21/good-riddance-to-bad-rubbish/" rel="nofollow">have been completely abandoned</a>:<br /><br /><i>So, what’s changed in those five days? The supposed rationale for the checkpoints was the low rate of vaccinations in the Northland DHB area. Well, on Wednesday when the checkpoints went up 82% of Northlanders were double jabbed. Yesterday when they went down the figure was still 82%. The supposed rationale is revealed as having no clothes and its not a pretty sight.</i><br /><br />It's appropriate at this time of year that pantomime is being performed but I never thought that had caught on in the country, although Hone Harawera would be perfect for such a performance.Tom Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840988228699338463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-67868524773615403492021-12-21T11:25:16.776+13:002021-12-21T11:25:16.776+13:00Hilarious takes on the NZ MSM here from one-eyed L...Hilarious takes on the NZ MSM here from one-eyed Lefties, but think about the following for a moment: if they're as anti-Labour opposed to this government's measures as you claim they are, then why have Right-wingers like me abandoned them in vast numbers?<br /><br />You'd think we'd be vocal supporters of the MSM if what you claim is true.<br /><br />No doubt I'm bringing my one-eyed opposite view to bear on them but I after twenty years of ignoring Stuff, The Herald, The Listener, One News, Three News and in the last five years, Radio NZ, I chose to check Newshub(3) each day for Covid numbers - and have been astounded at the number of articles written every day supporting some aspect or other of this government.Tom Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840988228699338463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-54171459288989477292021-12-21T10:47:16.505+13:002021-12-21T10:47:16.505+13:00Apt assessment, Chris.
I've mostly stopped li...Apt assessment, Chris.<br /><br />I've mostly stopped listening to RNZ's "Checkpoint": the tabloid style it has descended to is off-putting. <br /><br />And in case I thought it was just me, my partner also no longer listens. <br /><br />For the first time in decades, I will not lament that "Checkpoint" and it's earlier sibling, "Morning Report", have entered a month long holiday-hiatus. One can only take so much of Michael Barnett, Julie White, et al, complaining bitterly that businesses are losing out and why aren't we opening the borders and covid, what covid?<br /><br />Enough.<br /><br />If I wanted an on-air version of NBR, I'd ask for it. <br />Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01692659460246506641noreply@blogger.com