tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post2937028207826907743..comments2024-03-29T17:12:19.648+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Winning Joke: Why The Traditional Left Will Just Have To Live With Rainy-Day Robertson’s Disappointing Tax Policy.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-73493452931835705472020-09-14T08:22:21.173+12:002020-09-14T08:22:21.173+12:00A great many of these women will be well-heeled ma...<i>A great many of these women will be well-heeled matrons of the middle-class who think Jacinda’s just so wonderful! Still more will be the wives, sisters and daughters of “Waitakere Men” – upwardly-mobile members of the skilled working-class. (The SUV-driving relations of those small-business-owning “tradies” who made the introduction of Labour’s Capital Gains Tax politically impossible.) </i><br /><br />Over at No Minister, <a href="https://nominister.wordpress.com/2020/09/12/a-very-good-analysis-of-labours-tax-the-rich-pricks-policy/#comment-11903" rel="nofollow">Psycho Milt has been making the arguments</a> for such increased and new taxes but also thinks they won't happen because such people constitute <i>"The Ruling Class"</i>. I find that definition amusing although I'll trust his Marxist analysis that produces such a distinction: apparently anybody who works for themselves, no matter how lowly the trade, is simply not a Toiler?Tom Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840988228699338463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-40020697831783371372020-09-14T01:16:50.152+12:002020-09-14T01:16:50.152+12:00The apparently minimal increase in the tax rates b...The apparently minimal increase in the tax rates by Arden and Robertson ( a joke compared with 66,percent on Middle Income professionals with modest investment by Muldoon or 84 percent by Healey and Callaghan in the UK is really the same pretense as adopted by the Bill.English.Key Governments tax cuts. Restrictions by town planners, councils, RMA etc meant profitable building of new hotels, clubs, European and American style bars and cafes (or like Brighton,London, Hamburg or Austin) has been impossible since the Americas cup around 2002 and the incompetent John Banks Auckland council was outmanoevered and blindsided by stop the Shoe box flats line, which was used to stop most potential lines of profitable capitalist develop. So the options remaining were land, houses, farms, yachts and Maseratis. <br />And both the Bill English tax cuts and Ardens minute claw back allow nothing more than domestic private saving and retail and mail-order spending (Amazon.and Smith Caughey, Ballantynes are not yet ruled anti social by the Arden Stazi or Collins Asian Workers and Farmers Party.<br />Meanwhile with all the 24/7 bars, travel and urban tourist visits and the covid, sesmic, economic and Russia/China threat etc most of the intelligent good looking remainders will be planning to leave. The real aim of the planners to exploit the crisis. Low tax disguises and masks the hard left policy of both parties.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-36339100383914355102020-09-12T16:12:23.762+12:002020-09-12T16:12:23.762+12:00But we as individuals or a nation can save and p...But we as individuals or a nation can save and profitably invest ourselves to prosperity.<br /><br />Basically - as there is no other way to prosperity, so would not the most effective way to a practically poverty-less society be through a systematic wealth ownership creative savings effort with 100% citizen participation in it through the taxation system, as to some extent initiated already through the NZ Super Fund and KiwiSaving ?<br /><br /> Jens Mederhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17304734497662325275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-76352073847126720572020-09-11T20:24:38.461+12:002020-09-11T20:24:38.461+12:00We can however tax our way to equityWe can however tax our way to equitypathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727942156598555852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-77135096444783579802020-09-11T19:27:33.797+12:002020-09-11T19:27:33.797+12:00Thank goodness some one gets it. If all it took wa...Thank goodness some one gets it. If all it took was money or taxes or benefits or unions it would be done. The fantasy world of the left and the right is just that, a fantasy. Where dreams or nightmares of Marx or the bogeyman of neoliberalism reins. theotherneilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14069098970625392455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-39345884766461293162020-09-11T10:26:28.704+12:002020-09-11T10:26:28.704+12:00Funny Brendan, the Swedes seem to have pretty much...Funny Brendan, the Swedes seem to have pretty much eliminated poverty and reduced inequalities by taxation. And they seem just a bit more prosperous than New Zealand.<br />"Taxable income is reduced by general deductions which means that the marginal tax in practice varies between 7% on incomes just above 18,800 kronor to 60.1% on incomes above 675,700 kronor"<br />This is just one of the same old conservative mantras that you people just spout every time something like this turns up in discussion. Cliché after cliché.<br />Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-60839099946704826632020-09-11T08:55:54.935+12:002020-09-11T08:55:54.935+12:00We cannot tax our our way to prosperity, or equali...We cannot tax our our way to prosperity, or equality. If it were possible politicians would have accomplished it by now. Brendan McNeillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741263914308842497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-32167112744845660192020-09-10T12:05:05.172+12:002020-09-10T12:05:05.172+12:00At the time of the lockdown measures, and during G...At the time of the lockdown measures, and during Grant Robertson's speech at the time on how he would be dealing with the fiscal and economic fallout in the shorter term, I remember there being quite a bit of discussion about not raising taxes early as this would have a further depressive effect on the economy. That made sense to me then and still does. <br />The worst of the economic fallout is still to occur. Taxes will have to rise in order for the books to be put right eventually but it is not something that should be done at the moment. Austerity, or more punitive taxing of wage earners is not the way ahead right now.In fact, to support the economy, those of us who can need to go out and spend, spend, spend. Think of that as another way our money is contributing to the good of society.Flaneusehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484679723989740203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-79609728959951188032020-09-10T11:26:57.338+12:002020-09-10T11:26:57.338+12:00It is a particularly sick jokeIt is a particularly sick jokepathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727942156598555852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-7099372796598957592020-09-10T10:18:34.092+12:002020-09-10T10:18:34.092+12:00The joke – and it's a sad joke – is that many ...The joke – and it's a sad joke – is that many people don't actually consider policy when they are voting. I suspect that's always been the case, but more so these days when elections are more presidential. Phil Goff was simply not that likable.<br />But if it was policy that cost them, it was probably the capital gains tax which seems to spark fear and loathing in the middle classes and aspirationals. Personally I think it's something we do need for a level playing field. But that concept seems to have gone by the board as well.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.com