tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post350046550823591471..comments2024-03-28T21:25:08.138+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: From Customers To Voters: Drawing The Line Against Energy ProfiteersChris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-69699225139098456952013-08-01T15:23:07.628+12:002013-08-01T15:23:07.628+12:00This is cool!This is cool!Valentinhttp://www.makemoneyonlinepro.us/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-31323172453006830432013-04-26T15:40:33.514+12:002013-04-26T15:40:33.514+12:00Fascinating discussion! There is still a belief t...Fascinating discussion! There is still a belief that Labour and National are somehow different. They are not that different. Almost Tweedledum and Tweedledee. <br />Often in the past I have referred to them as Gnats and Gnatlites...<br /><br />Yes, Helen's Labour allowed the prices of electricity to ramp up. After all her govt. was a "free Market" one just wearing a red coat.<br />It is pleasing to see that Labour have moved a little back toward where they used to be, supporting the ordinary working Kiwis. They still have a long way to go but.<br /><br />I am not advocating Labour at all, I just want to see two parties that are so different that people can choose between them, unlike the way they have been over the last few years.<br /><br />There are some merits in what they are advocating regarding power supply in NZ. We have giving the 'Free Market' a fair lash and we are finding it wanting in many areas.Davo Stevensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-68138553763538397652013-04-25T23:03:05.093+12:002013-04-25T23:03:05.093+12:00You're quite right, Scouser and Punch, Labour ...You're quite right, Scouser and Punch, Labour was the worst offender electricity price-rise-wise.<br /><br />It was Phil Goff who first suggested (back in 2009) that the Labour Government had taken too much from the residential electricity customer, and David Parker who took up the challenge to find a solution.<br /><br />"Energising New Zealand" is the result. A small, but important, step down the road to rolling back the neoliberal revolution.<br /><br />I try to reward good behaviour - what do you do?Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-42596627347771134332013-04-25T21:21:46.814+12:002013-04-25T21:21:46.814+12:00Interesting that the survey quoted (Frank Wolak...Interesting that the survey quoted (Frank Wolak's) was for the period up till 2009. This includes the life of the Helen Clark government where electricity prices were at their most rampant. Statistics show that power increases were modest immediately after the Bradford reforms of 1998, exploded from 2002 to 2009, and have been reigned in during the last 4 years since some tweaking was done to the regulatory authority.<br />The so called "super profits" were at their most rampant in the Clark years. They included David Parker's now infamous rejection of the "one buyer" concept in 2006.<br />It is easily proven that much of the retail price rise since 2008 .. that is the percentage above the CPI .. Is due to increases in infrastructure costs which cannot be deducted from the equation under this new Green/Labour proposal.<br />We should look at the facts before being swayed by a blatant politicisation of the electricity sector.<br /><br /><br /><br />Punchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14997048427014871788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-12833170317906355252013-04-25T20:35:54.528+12:002013-04-25T20:35:54.528+12:00I agree in that power has been abused but it was a...I agree in that power has been abused but it was abused by your favoured Labour party when it was in power.<br /><br />It was the market maker and used power as a stealth tax - the super profits were government taken.<br /><br />This is lazy commentary on your part and I find that unusual.Scousernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-17660702457526912152013-04-25T20:01:16.189+12:002013-04-25T20:01:16.189+12:00@the flying tortoise...
Listen to geoff bertram o...@the flying tortoise...<br /><br />Listen to geoff bertram on RNZ, he cuts to the chase. <br />The rightwing media have purposefully clouded the issue with fake complexity but it all boils down to a simple fact.<br /><br />The simple and truthful story is that the generator and lines companies were allowed to increase the value of their assets on their books. This meant they were able to justify a certain profit margin based on those asset values. The need to achieve that profit margin justified them to raise prices to the point that those profits were achieved.<br />Both Labour and National were complicit in this because it was good for the government books.<br /><br />Nobody in the media talks about this except the like of Geoff Bertram and Molly Melhuish.<br />geoffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-88816402705744027762013-04-24T16:43:08.947+12:002013-04-24T16:43:08.947+12:00Theirs quite a likeness in the photos of Teddy Roo...Theirs quite a likeness in the photos of Teddy Roosevelt and Chris Trotter<br />Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-1758133702597162652013-04-23T21:45:40.161+12:002013-04-23T21:45:40.161+12:00Nice post Chris. It's interesting that despite...Nice post Chris. It's interesting that despite reading quite a lot of analysis elsewhere, I only found out here that a similar policy was the California response to Enron! That adds a lot of weight to this being a sensible well thought out policy of course.<br /><br />One wonders how long the myth that a Labour/Green government would be an economic disaster for New Zealand can continue in the face of mounting contrary evidence.<br />Nic the NZerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03375388456334279479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-89665685910043847672013-04-23T20:27:16.867+12:002013-04-23T20:27:16.867+12:00I doubt that consumers will ever see any financial... I doubt that consumers will ever see any financial benefit from this scheme - even after the estimated 4 years it would take to get it underway. The Greens who appear to be wagging the Labour tail don't want cheap energy and will more than seek to recover this with their ETS style charges. Labour of course seeks to draw a veil over their last 9 years when they used every cent they could wring from electricity charges to bribe the electorate - it just got them over the line in 2005 -remember? A 72% rise in electricity charges but that was ok I guess..........Jigsawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13906156865367357834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-60637880322003934322013-04-23T19:59:25.002+12:002013-04-23T19:59:25.002+12:00The trouble is that the issue has now become so co...The trouble is that the issue has now become so confused that it's very hard for a person to come to a conclusive decision about what the hell is going on. I certainly cannot trust a politician to tell me what's what. I've lost it...The Flying Tortoisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09212913610390768373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-30639468896194279402013-04-23T19:37:26.845+12:002013-04-23T19:37:26.845+12:00Well put Chris. I didn't know that this type o...Well put Chris. I didn't know that this type of reform was made in California, in response to the Enron scandal, despite reading analysis of this in several places. That's interesting in itself, and obviously massively bolsters the case for this policy.<br />Nic the NZerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03375388456334279479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-77749585151632862492013-04-23T14:21:49.373+12:002013-04-23T14:21:49.373+12:00Good article, Chris, and I especially liked how yo...Good article, Chris, and I especially liked how you drew attention to the word 'consumer', which has been thrashed by commentators regarding the electricity policy. Why the hell we don't just use 'people', instead of buying into the free-market speak, I don't know.<br />Unfortunately, of course, it isn't just the power companies that have been rent-seeking in the NZ economy. The entire country seems to be organised around playing the same trick on us, whether it is housing, food, rates or electricity.<br />The right-wing, who ironically justify all of their market madness in the name of efficiency, have caused the loss of potential in so many people that its probably just as well that we can't tally up the 'opportunity cost' of rogernomics because the sum would cause our eyes to bleed.geoffnoreply@blogger.com