tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post3718444522761292376..comments2024-03-29T00:44:42.046+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Is Billy TK Shouting “Fire” In A Crowded Theatre?Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-54563747454331900522020-08-20T08:55:13.142+12:002020-08-20T08:55:13.142+12:00Good that you told us what he said because there i...Good that you told us what he said because there is a tendency to treat "hate speech" as a contagion that must go through only enlightened immune systems (but not the wider public).<br />John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-85297362969512283522020-08-17T23:58:22.371+12:002020-08-17T23:58:22.371+12:00Thankyou Chris.
Sharing.Thankyou Chris.<br />Sharing.blondewithaniqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13146725349479297431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-7191758424871713432020-08-17T11:16:26.431+12:002020-08-17T11:16:26.431+12:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tZVGA3SBa8
This ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tZVGA3SBa8<br /><br />This is the better Billy TK. Let's focus on him not his odd son.Andrew Peter Nicholsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-2165703991505265782020-08-16T12:38:25.617+12:002020-08-16T12:38:25.617+12:00Can any of you advocates of the "marketplace ...Can any of you advocates of the "marketplace of ideas" give me an example of the wholesale changing of minds due to these debates? Holocaust deniers for instance, hardly ever change their minds. In fact providing them with evidence that they are wrong simply confirms their beliefs – that's the psychology anyway. And in the meantime, they are infecting young minds with their bullshit.<br />If you want to change their minds it seems to me you're not going to do it through the marketplace of ideas and the free exchange of facts. It needs to be a one-on-one process, it's extremely time-consuming and reasonably expensive – that's the psychology of that as well.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-40613898408556077052020-08-16T12:04:33.058+12:002020-08-16T12:04:33.058+12:00Banning this rubbish isn’t the answer though, Chri...Banning this rubbish isn’t the answer though, Chris. I’m surprised that you’d want to. Advocating treason is OK but acting like a nutter is not? Surely if the one is OK (and it is) then the other is too?Max Ritchiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09700377308425417842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-63957843788431352722020-08-15T08:35:54.156+12:002020-08-15T08:35:54.156+12:00Well said, Chris! I've been wondering why his ...Well said, Chris! I've been wondering why his (and other associates') behaviour has not been called out before now. At least in the last couple of days or so the media have been speaking up, thank goodness. There seems to me to be a huge groundswell of people who are following and promoting this nonsense via social media - some of whom, I would have thought, would have been the last people to fall for that rubbish amongst my own circle of friends and associates. It is dangerous - especially when many of the believers will reject the necessary health measures the Director General of Health needs us to follow, such as not wearing masks, social distancing, staying at home, etc.Flaneusehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15484679723989740203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-64270939310538169262020-08-14T14:40:11.403+12:002020-08-14T14:40:11.403+12:00The antidote to Billy is not censor him. This wil...The antidote to Billy is not censor him. This will only make him more famous but to let him air his arguments, and then argue with him. I used to believe it was right to censor holocaust deniers, but now, in the current age of censorship and cancel culture, it is better to arm yourself with the facts and debate. As long as you are not in physical danger this is fine, and learning about such events deeply further helps understand the why it happened, and why we don't want it to recur. <br /><br />In our current Covid fear climate, as long as you wash hands, social distance, and keep vulnerable people safe you are likely to be ok. <br /><br />However, in wanting to censor, are you really worried about getting an answer you don't want, and therefore don't want to go through the discomfort that you maybe wrong?Kokila Patelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11848014150420601472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-56946467780290020542020-08-14T13:34:41.405+12:002020-08-14T13:34:41.405+12:00My yardstick tends to be whether a given speech is...My yardstick tends to be whether a given speech is speech, or in fact constitutes an act.<br /><br />Shouting 'Fire' in a darkened theatre is a deliberate act - far beyond mere speech. Therefore <br />there is no 'free speech' dependent upon it.<br /><br />A politician's speech is presumably intended to persuade - but to persuade to what? It may depend upon motive - what the speaker intends by it. If to persuade to a point of view (e.g. to canvass a vote), that might qualify as 'free speech', but how about to call for (incite) a course of action? Its lawfulness might be brought into question, but its legitimacy might equally well be moot if we argue that 'lawfulness' and 'legitimacy' do not have congruent meanings. The BLM protests in the US might be unlawful, but they are, I think, arguably legitimate.<br /><br />Incidentally, equating money with 'free speech' has got to be just about the most ludicrously partisan decision ever reached by a system of jurisprudence.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Archduke Piccolohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533325665451889661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-43329518036973690492020-08-14T12:56:01.064+12:002020-08-14T12:56:01.064+12:00That's not the attitude all you free-speech pe...That's not the attitude all you free-speech people were taking when some neo-Nazi wannabes were being deplatformed. Seem to me that it was all speech should be free. And when I mentioned that speech actually can have physical and quite bad consequences – I do believe I mentioned the person who went to the pizza restaurant which was supposedly running a paedophile ring for Hillary Clinton with a rifle and fired a shot when he couldn't find the basement, because there was no basement – I was howled down. And when I asked why you had not protested when Peter Singer was deplatformed there was a distinct silence.<br />Now all of a sudden there are limits to free speech? Who would have thunk it.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.com