tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post3980878639829798518..comments2024-03-19T18:07:13.020+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Fewer Is Not BetterChris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-9362023600056005282016-06-07T08:59:33.081+12:002016-06-07T08:59:33.081+12:00And when we have an ethnicless/ multicultural soci...And when we have an ethnicless/ multicultural society "education is the key". But who decides on what values are taught? Asian elites think completely differently to Western elites? jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-82619000112332701632016-06-05T11:47:14.247+12:002016-06-05T11:47:14.247+12:00Wallace Chapman and Paul Spoonley are discussing &...Wallace Chapman and Paul Spoonley are discussing "middle New Zealand" (as used by Andrew Little). <br />Spoonley says Little is like Trump appealing to disenfranchised whites (my words) but there are a lot of "significant minorities" who vote for Clinton. He thinks Labour has been bruised electorally and is "reaching out". "Middle NZ" is a dog whistle to white New Zealanders. No link was made to immigration and housing but apparently the hot topic around the BBQ is that the middle class children may not be able to afford houses.<br /> <br />Spoonley says "Auckland has transformed itself into the worlds 4th most diverse society". "It is fascinating". That is like saying "the building burned itself down". It was the politicians and elites who "transformed" our society, led by academics like Spoonley ("he's written about 20 books") who believe the state is a racist construct and the goal should be an ethnicless society.JHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-53607845438890435862016-06-01T14:12:50.825+12:002016-06-01T14:12:50.825+12:00With Labour & the Greens in their so-called ma...With Labour & the Greens in their so-called marriage all Key has to do on the 2017 election campaign is say:<br /><br />'If someone puts a pistol to your temple, what do you do?'<br /><br />Answer: Anything they say.<br /><br />It's the implied threat of Greens wanting to take control of the purse-strings or the treat of disbanding the partnership to topple the government.<br /><br />All Key has to say is that to any voter and they will know that a Labour/Greens government won't last.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-6212764418483103842016-05-31T13:23:01.303+12:002016-05-31T13:23:01.303+12:00JH. I didn't say that some of the studies aren...JH. I didn't say that some of the studies aren't politically neutral – some of them may be, but some of them by reputable academics, and not produced by government agencies. All I said was it's a lot more complex than you think. You do tend to prefer black-and-white, simple solutions. I doubt if ANYTHING is as simple as you seem to think it is.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-37083347018205223332016-05-31T10:28:49.818+12:002016-05-31T10:28:49.818+12:00GS
We all ought to know by now that these studies ...GS<br />We all ought to know by now that these studies aren't politically neutral eg<br /><i>The New Zealand Institute of Economic Research believes we'd be better off with 15 million of us. </i><br />http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8024613/Optimal-size-for-New-Zealand-15-million<br /><br />Unreported (pre-dated):<br /><i>Based on a large body of new research evidence and practical experience, the consensus among policymakers now is that other factors are more important for per capita growth and productivity than migration and population growth. CGE modelling exercises for Australia and New Zealand have been influential in reshaping expectations. </i><br />http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/research-policy/wp/2014/14-10<br /><br />The OECD calculated that immigrants on average pay as much in taxes as they take on benefits, and sometimes they pay a lot more.<br /><br /><i>Dear Jean-Christophe,<br />I am appalled that the OECD would publish such a partisan document as the policy brief “Is migration good for the economy?”</i><br />http://www.populationmatters.org/open-letter-migration-oecd/jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-59625358781192696542016-05-31T09:40:54.995+12:002016-05-31T09:40:54.995+12:00Bus drivers working for Ritchies out of Queenstown...Bus drivers working for Ritchies out of Queenstown (Great Sights to Milford Sound and back etc) have just had their pay clipped. Tour bus drivers these days just bounce above the minimum wage. But least they get to experience diversity - something their fathers viewed over the sights of a 303. <i>Lest We Forget</i> - The NZ Labour Party.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15607028751724602829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-39930239908600966022016-05-31T09:25:45.482+12:002016-05-31T09:25:45.482+12:00Labour has a perception problem, it can call itsel...Labour has a perception problem, it can call itself labour till the cows come home but will (on decades of past performance) be judged as PC Progressive.<br />The reality is that National, Labour, Green and Act are globalist, NZ First is the only nationalist party. David Farrar is playing on the *incompetent* meme given policy poorly drafted by the likes of a hairdresser. That doesn't mean NZ First doesn't have a case (none of the globalist parties link immigration and house prices), just that they don't have access to the same resources the globalist parties have (including media outlets).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15607028751724602829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-21203761512360776862016-05-31T07:25:57.333+12:002016-05-31T07:25:57.333+12:00JH. Given that the New Zealand population – and fo...JH. Given that the New Zealand population – and for that matter the European population is ageing, many people believe that immigrant families are a good thing. After all, somebody's going to have to pay for your pension. <br />.....<br />An argument rejected by the Australian Productivity Commission. Unless fundamental economic issues change the migrants themselves age etc. The highly skilled migrant is a myth (lie).jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-33198007827101705422016-05-31T07:12:09.438+12:002016-05-31T07:12:09.438+12:00I see birth rates are up in host society UK (even ...I see birth rates are up in host society UK (even though the rate is lower than in the source country). Call them "British" (socially engineer their identity : "how kiwi are you?") but as Putnam notes it will take 50 years (on past experience in the US) until there is some sort of cohesion. Not that developed countries can develop their economies ad infinitum so the joyful people may finish with a lower (overall) standard of living?<br />The top dog progressive and business person probably fancy they will come out on top (with the added advantage of cheap labour).jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-48322160016830838682016-05-30T16:19:13.159+12:002016-05-30T16:19:13.159+12:00Giovanni Peri did a study in Switzerland where dif...Giovanni Peri did a study in Switzerland where different Cantons let different numbers of migrants in at different times, and found that for educated Swiss people there was a small increase in wages, while migration had very little impact on job availability. That was a comparative study.<br /><br />The UK migration advisory committee decided that over five years migrants were not associated with the displacement of British-born workers, if anything they displaced other migrants. Not to mention that they filled necessary vacancies, particularly in healthcare. I would suggest that to try to run the New Zealand health system without migrant doctors and nurses would be dangerous.<br /><br />Ian Buruma found that migrants did not sponge off the system, but tended to go to places where there was work, rather than places where there were generous benefits. (Certainly they wouldn't come to New Zealand if they were expecting generous benefits.)<br /><br />The OECD calculated that immigrants on average pay as much in taxes as they take on benefits, and sometimes they pay a lot more. Particularly the illegal immigrants who pay taxes at source, but cannot claim benefits.<br />Goldin claims that young migrants who don't actually need benefits – or won't need them for some years – are actually keeping the US Social Security system afloat at the moment.<br /><br />Studies in Britain and the US showed that in places where there were many migrants, there was less crime.<br /><br />So it isn't just as simple as you seem to think.<br /><br />" As for "Learn Mandarin or Cantonese" that is just snorting arrogance and demonstrates why working people need representation from other than,head in the clouds progressives."<br />This last was a response to your constant bitching. And the way you manage to guide every topic, including Labour Party membership for Christ's sake onto the subject of immigration. Do I have to put/sarc on everything like that? Incidentally, I've had several friends who drove tourist buses in foreign countries though admittedly mostly in Europe.<br />Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-68416433542971320312016-05-30T11:53:37.419+12:002016-05-30T11:53:37.419+12:00Guerilla Surgeon says:
Research suggests that ther...Guerilla Surgeon says:<br />Research suggests that there is (albeit a small) net benefit from migrants<br />...<br />The Australian productivity Commission concluded there was little to zero benefit to Australians from migration (it had all been captured by the migrants).<br /><br />The Savings Working Group said migration appears to have had almost the exact opposite effect to what was intended.<br /><i>On other government policy issues, SWG recommendations include:<br />- A much more strategic and integrated approach to policy generally.<br />- Serious consideration of the impact of the level and variability of immigration on national saving, and the impact that this might have on the living standards of New Zealanders. There are indications that our high immigration rate has pushed up government spending, house prices and business borrowing.<br />...<br />“The big adverse gap in productivity between New Zealand and other countries opened up from the 1970s to the early 1990s. The policy choice that increased immigration – given the number of employers increasingly unable to pay First-World wages to the existing population and all the capital requirements that increasing populations involve – looks likely to have worked almost directly against the adjustment New Zealand needed to make and it might have been better off with a lower rate of net immigration. This adjustment would have involved a lower real interest rate (and cost of capital) and a lower real exchange rate, meaning a more favourable environment for raising the low level of productive capital per worker and labour productivity. The low level of capital per worker is a striking symptom of New Zealand’s economic challenge.</i><br /><br />http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/reviews-consultation/savingsworkinggroup/pdfs/swg-report-jan11.pdf <br /><br /><br />http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/69997/gareth-morgan-says-data-clear-migration-and-house-prices-he-says-it-numbers-coming-uk <br /><br />On bus drivers. Most other countries use a local driver and English speaking guide. None of our "source countries" would allow foreigners to drive their countrymen around in buses. As for "Learn Mandarin or Cantonese" that is just snorting arrogance and demonstrates why working people need representation from other than,<i>head in the clouds </i> progressives.jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-68716305166569251372016-05-30T11:28:51.126+12:002016-05-30T11:28:51.126+12:00Anonymous – whoever you are – maybe if it was your...Anonymous – whoever you are – maybe if it was your great great-grandfather's head stuck in a museum somewhere you might think a little differently. I can't see what this has to do with "cultural fundamentalism". It's more to do with removing a vestige of colonialism that decided that people's heads were okay to display to the public as curiosities. After all, the Greeks want the Elgin marbles back, and that's just statuary.<br />JH. Given that the New Zealand population – and for that matter the European population is ageing, many people believe that immigrant families are a good thing. After all, somebody's going to have to pay for your pension. I'm not sure it's as simple as that but. As far as family planning goes, that arrives with education of women. Which we do quite well. As I said, the large families of migrants tend to disappear after the second generation.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-67196684306602385732016-05-30T07:35:58.271+12:002016-05-30T07:35:58.271+12:00Today, you can’t understand the Arab awakenings — ... Today, you can’t understand the Arab awakenings — or their solutions — without considering climate, environment and population stresses.<br />http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/22/opinion/friedman-wikileaks-drought-and-syria.html?_r=0<br /><br />Not sure "in NZ we celebrate diversity" (Woodhouse) is the answer to the problems other cultures/ countries are having.jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-80920758964479074792016-05-30T07:29:17.429+12:002016-05-30T07:29:17.429+12:00Guerilla Surgeon said...
Manfred. Have a look at ...Guerilla Surgeon said... <br />Manfred. Have a look at the story about the preserved heads being returned to New Zealand on the MSN website. Read the comments. That's who we're dealing with. That's the racist, mean-spirited part of New Zealand society. <br />........<br />or is it political? There has always been a feeling of incredulity around Maori cultural fundamentalism.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-44545276023008720662016-05-29T20:25:54.438+12:002016-05-29T20:25:54.438+12:00Taybeh (Lebanon) (AFP) - In a tent in Lebanon'...Taybeh (Lebanon) (AFP) - In a tent in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley, Sanaa al-Absi extracts a condom from its wrapper in front of a group of giggling Syrian refugee women and begins explaining its use.<br /><br />It is the first time some of the women have seen the contraceptive, which they are learning about as part of a rare programme teaching Syrian refugees family planning in Lebanon.<br /><br />The subject is a sensitive one, strewn with cultural, religious and even political landmines.<br /><br />In much of the Middle East, large families are seen as a blessing from God, and contraception is regarded with scepticism or outright hostility.<br />https://www.yahoo.com/news/futures-unclear-syrian-refugees-lebanon-start-family-planning-114141490.html?ref=gs<br /><br />http://countrystudies.us/syria/29.htmjhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-41399828690062710622016-05-29T19:55:50.401+12:002016-05-29T19:55:50.401+12:00The empirical evidence supports you BB, suffice to...The empirical evidence supports you BB, suffice to say some NZers have huge families. When I sas young it was the apocryphal Catholics, now it is immigrants.<br /><br />Today I watched a Youtube about Birmingham moslems worried about the way they fealt they had been demonised because of terrorism. They mentioned Timothy McVeigh. I could feel their pain and anger. That said the current terror is Islamic and people have a reason to be worried. When all sides recognise the fears of the others as valid we might then make progress.Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-25831071832040855252016-05-29T19:49:08.151+12:002016-05-29T19:49:08.151+12:00Large size of Syrian refugee families means homes ...Large size of Syrian refugee families means homes harder to find <br /><br />The average Syrian family coming to Nova Scotia has seven members, according to Gerry Mills, director of operations for the Immigrant Services Association of Nova Scotia.<br /><br />Some are as large as 10 or 12 people, which means it will take time to find them somewhere to live, Mills told CBC's The Current. Some are staying in a local hotel in the meantime.<br /><br />"For instance, at the hotel right now we have 120-odd people, we have 50 under the age of five," she said. "This is happening across the country."<br />http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/syrian-refugees-halifax-housing-families-1.3413716jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-37865273026546255462016-05-29T19:39:21.878+12:002016-05-29T19:39:21.878+12:001.The phenomenon of large families in migrant comm...1.The phenomenon of large families in migrant communities disappears after the second generation.<br />2."This morning Google News had an item about a Syrian Refugee in Denmark who has been given the green light to bring in 17 of his 20 children and one of his three wives.Meanwhile he says he is too sick to work or to learn Danish. He was confronted by former Syrian, conservative politician Naser Khader. "<br /><br />Anecdote is not data. Research suggests that there is (albeit a small) net benefit from migrants. I would go into details but it is not going to change your mind JH.<br /> <br />One thing I would say though. You are a tour bus driver, who complains about the importation of Chinese bus drivers if I remember correctly. (If not you then someone else.) You might consider the fact that when you go overseas, tour bus drivers often speak English. This is because tourists prefer to be spoken to in their own language. The solution to your problem is in your own hands then. Learn Mandarin or Cantonese. Or migrate to a place that requires English speaking tour bus drivers. See – fixed that for you.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-5769917304163010462016-05-29T19:37:59.817+12:002016-05-29T19:37:59.817+12:00
Large size of Syrian refugee families means homes...<br />Large size of Syrian refugee families means homes harder to find<br /><br />http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/nova-scotia/syrian-refugees-halifax-housing-families-1.3413716jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-49323342447895525612016-05-29T13:13:37.655+12:002016-05-29T13:13:37.655+12:00There is often much criticism regarding the large ...There is often much criticism regarding the large number of children many refugees have.<br /><br />There are two reasons for this; having a large family guarantees that at least one or two will reach adulthood and reproduce in countries where life is cheap.<br /><br />Secondly a large family is a requisite in a country that has no welfare system and the children look after the parents in their old age and no longer work.<br /><br />We need to be a lot less critical and more accommodating to other cultures and their beliefs too. Not all Muslims are "Terrorists", most are just like us -- toiling away to support their families and putting food on the table. Their are extremists in all religions and all too often we ignore the Terrorist actions of our own home-grown religious nutters. People like Tim McVeigh et al.Bushbaptisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09657695593141243969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-14650904350467777852016-05-29T11:56:09.787+12:002016-05-29T11:56:09.787+12:00Who has the responsibility to fundraise for Labour...Who has the responsibility to fundraise for Labour?<br /><br />Is it the General Secretary or the parliamentary leader?<br /><br />If it is either they haven't achieved anything for several years.<br /><br />Labour is broke; memberships are at an all-time low. This is not a proper functioning political party.<br /><br />Labour is absolutley NOT a government in waiting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-66704772299386933072016-05-29T11:16:59.191+12:002016-05-29T11:16:59.191+12:00To: Manfred.
Race (or, if you prefer - ethnicity)...To: Manfred.<br /><br />Race (or, if you prefer - ethnicity) is one of the key drivers of politics - and has been for a very long time.<br /><br />Providing commentators on this blog do not descend into using crude racial epithets or inciting racial hatred, discussion of race, ethnicity, immigration policy, biculturalism, multiculturalism, and/or cultural integrity/diversity will be permitted on Bowalley Road.Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-17463698009008559022016-05-28T22:23:32.733+12:002016-05-28T22:23:32.733+12:00Labour may have lost the plot. Perhaps it now is...Labour may have lost the plot. Perhaps it now is a double-barelled name.<br />Lab - standing for its desire to be in the scientific IT age whether that hurts its low income and even middle income potential members. And the second part - Our is a vain attempt to look down and gather the strugglers and battlers into the fold as if they can expect dedication to their little troubles.<br /><br />Nick J makes good points about the totalitarian bias that results from PC and how fervent exponents of their own viewpoint end up shutting down discussion. It is not allowed. I struck this on TS about rape culture. The devotees of this new/old feminist issue used to, still, jump on anyone who made any statement and demand they justify it, using their own criteria of what was satisfactory, and what was dismissed outright. <br />And thinking about racism, Tom Lehrer makes a musical point:<br />(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUwbZ9AlSPI<br /><br />JH gives the example of refugees in Denmark, a Syrian man with three wives and 17 children. This type of family is because he had lived in a culture which accepted that. Now it is not seen as an appropriate number of children or wives, away from I presume his former agricultural, manual lifestyle. If he is sick and can't work and can't learn Danish, that is something to sympathise with, not automatically use as an example of worthlessness. Reading about what refugees have to go through after their homes, living, country is decimated may help some kindness enter the concern and anger as these people who have been ruined by world politics and its machinations. <br /><br />Try reading - The Lightless Sky: A Twelve-Year-Old Refugee's Harrowing Escape from Afghanistan and His Extraordinary Journey Across Half the World. And note how hard this young fellow has worked and the education and skills that he has attained in his new land. Despite being a foreigner. He is moving into the 21st century just as we in the west move back to 19th-20th century ways and attitudes. That, Labour doesn't seem to reject strongly enough to assure me of their resoluteness.<br /><br />greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-11310563475344812652016-05-28T19:25:11.955+12:002016-05-28T19:25:11.955+12:00"I think you might have to ban or at least wa..."I think you might have to ban or at least warn jh, Chris. I'm getting thoroughly sick of his racist obsession, tying everything to race."<br /><br />Manfred the thinking behind your remark demonstrates the fascism of the left/progressive who insists that anyone that disagrees with their group think must be shut down.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-45830224605769771562016-05-28T17:19:38.623+12:002016-05-28T17:19:38.623+12:00You disagree with the statement that 'none is ...You disagree with the statement that 'none is better than the other'. That might seem fair enough to you, but it is essentially defending ideas of racial supremacy. You are unnaturally fixated on race, and it's starting to become disruptive to the blog.manfredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05864320667710466331noreply@blogger.com