tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post4316009086053401373..comments2024-03-29T03:41:12.499+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: John Key's Colonial Daze.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-70941585087594599962016-04-10T07:39:50.481+12:002016-04-10T07:39:50.481+12:00The Queen is not someone ONE does deals with pleas...The Queen is not someone ONE does deals with please. :)Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-69022531353154528502016-04-09T15:21:28.863+12:002016-04-09T15:21:28.863+12:00Incidentally Chris that is an interesting image yo...Incidentally Chris that is an interesting image you have for this post. The Queen seems to be taking a measuring sideways glance at Jokey Hen, who seems to be carefully looking away perhaps while he thinks of the next most expedient thing to say and do. The Queen is not someone you do deals with, what now?greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-495855986867206292016-04-07T11:53:40.299+12:002016-04-07T11:53:40.299+12:00@Martin English
Nothing in politics is as simple a...@Martin English<br />Nothing in politics is as simple as you describe. Why people voted against the tea towel are varied. You trying to pin it to one line of thought shows scornful disinterest in or an inability to read the thoughts of the NZ public.<br /><br />and Max Ritchie<br />I was using hyperbole when I talked about NZ war graves in Britain.<br />The saying applies that beauty is only skin deep. Keeping the graves in good condition is admirable, but the attitude to the people whose lives were sacrificed needs to reflect real respect for that loss to them, their families and country. In Ypres I understand they have a short memorial ceremony regularly, daily? In Crete, and in Le Quesnoy du Nord I understand we are not passe' - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Quesnoy.<br /><br />Our sacrifice in WW2 has become an artifact of past Britain to a great extent, shadowed by our losses on Gallipoli in WW1. The social values that my birth father thought he was conserving when he entered the killing space, are now missing in action in Britain, and through the mutual English language, in the USA also, and ultimately here. We now seem to have more in common with Germans who come to visit and reside here than many British.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-1112043173860315062016-04-07T11:40:37.986+12:002016-04-07T11:40:37.986+12:00I might be mistaken but, half listening to the rad...I might be mistaken but, half listening to the radio today, I think I heard JK referring to "the Eastern Block", probably in reference to Russian support for his predecessor's UN leadership bid.<br /><br />Could someone please take the Queen of New Zealand's first minister aside and explain to him that the Berlin Wall has fallen and the Warsaw Pact wound up. Do it gently as it might be a shock to his system.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-91169938469102439252016-04-07T07:03:43.629+12:002016-04-07T07:03:43.629+12:00"You could say that 'Browns Bay is a Sout..."You could say that 'Browns Bay is a South African colony"<br /><br />True. Haven't thought of that. Not sure it applies nowadays though. <br /><br />Does that make the Beehive a colony of drones? :)Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-88567292099241546382016-04-07T00:02:56.665+12:002016-04-07T00:02:56.665+12:00LMAO......but then I probably shouldn't....Key...LMAO......but then I probably shouldn't....Key represents us after all (sadly)pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727942156598555852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-51390832621326623282016-04-06T20:04:50.499+12:002016-04-06T20:04:50.499+12:00'Can Key really be so ignorant? Can the man wh...'Can Key really be so ignorant? Can the man who has led this country for eight years truly possess so tenuous a grasp on its political and constitutional realities?'<br /><br />Probably<br /><br />'It must mean that all the Prime Minister’s recent talk about changing the New Zealand flag to “better reflect who we are” was utterly insincere'"<br /><br />Well, dogone, who'd have thought it!<br /><br />Meanwhile, I wonder how this is playing in Beijing.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-6789784015044661352016-04-06T18:19:42.448+12:002016-04-06T18:19:42.448+12:00the word colony has a wider meaning that subject t...the word colony has a wider meaning that subject to political control. You could say that 'Browns Bay is a South African colony' and people would understand that you meant the suburb contained a large South African population and not that it was under the control of Pretoria. <br /><br />Viewed in this sense, Key was correct. Let's not also exclude he was playing the sympathy card hard in order to gain an advantage in negotiations. Damien Granthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12108800337370151148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-28045201501301816232016-04-06T16:10:18.850+12:002016-04-06T16:10:18.850+12:00"New Zealand" is a product of British co..."New Zealand" is a product of British colonisation of Maori, our institutions and systems and a lot of family trees are a direct legacy of that"<br /><br />Not what he said. He didn't even say WAS a colony.<br /><br />The flag is the "heart of our most sacred connection to Home?" Was that irony? Hopefully, otherwise it's a ridiculous statement. Interesting that Key should make an appeal to our British connection when he was so keen to get rid of the flag though :).<br /><br />If we are owed anything by Britain, it's because they spent a great deal of time and effort expending New Zealand lives in their various wars, using them as shock troops. But essentially fuck 'em. We produce food. In the long run that's probably worth more than some free medical treatment.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-81453648233806468772016-04-06T14:44:28.028+12:002016-04-06T14:44:28.028+12:00For greywarbler: Not the issue here but just to co...For greywarbler: Not the issue here but just to correct you re graves of those who died in France. Most of the Commonwealth soldiers etc who died in France (and elsewhere for that matter) are in cemeteries tended by the War Graves Commission and very well indeed. No weeds and no developers. Your late father would be well looked after, although I note that he's in a French cemetery. The cemeteries I've visited in the UK are similarly cared for, although I'm not sure if they are Commission ones.Max Ritchiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09700377308425417842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-38737930628091786902016-04-06T13:43:25.692+12:002016-04-06T13:43:25.692+12:00NZ is obviously a British colony, but you speak as...NZ is obviously a British colony, but you speak as if that is a bad thing. Wasn't it your vote, along with the rest of the staunch imperialists of Her Majesty's loyal opposition, who defied the radically progressive Keys in his attempt "by referendum" to remove the very heart of our most sacred connection to Home ?<br />Martin Englishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00353135329046627049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-52036613877165822272016-04-06T13:11:22.902+12:002016-04-06T13:11:22.902+12:00We are no longer a colony in law , but most of our...We are no longer a colony in law , but most of our law's and way of life reflect our British colonial past.<br />John Key is simply trying to maintain the right of entry for NZ'rs to Britain in face of Britain's obligations to the EU which make entry and work for NZ'rs a lot more difficult.<br />There is nothing malicious or silly in his conversations about our being a colony, he is simply in character to the part he is playing.<br />John Key and his government is supported by about 50% of the voting public who have a deep and abiding appreciation of his political skills. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-22160622512455953902016-04-06T11:35:39.250+12:002016-04-06T11:35:39.250+12:00Well let's see - "New Zealand" is a ...Well let's see - "New Zealand" is a product of British colonisation of Maori, our institutions and systems and a lot of family trees are a direct legacy of that, and yeah, I think the British probably owe us compensation - I don't see what Key got wrong. The fact that we're an independent nation doesn't erase how we got here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-42119352498915878452016-04-06T11:11:39.072+12:002016-04-06T11:11:39.072+12:00Talking about the way the British have treated us....Talking about the way the British have treated us. We were fervent in supporting them through world wars and after with food parcels etc. Then<br />Brit needed to join the EU, and we were excess baggage, unlike the French who had dragged their colonies with them. We couldn't hang onto the edge of the ermine cloak however.<br /><br />Then there was a furore over us possibly adulterating our butter which was not allowed in the quota agreement that had been hammered out by PM John Marshall. I think the softened more spreadable butter we introduced to the market, was thought to contain oil as an extra, and our Brit offices were entered by Customs I think and documents seized. But we had just been double whipping and not extracting so much water, so getting an emulsified effect, and haha our Brit competition couldn't nail us on that. <br /><br />But this is the treatment we have received. I don't forget that hostile invasion of our premises, particularly seeing that my birth father went over there to fly in WW2 in 1943, was killed in 1944, and has remained ever since in a French grave, which incidentally is carefully tended by the French people. In Brit, it would probably have weeds growing around it or been sold off to developers.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-85658697372530201522016-04-06T09:35:33.362+12:002016-04-06T09:35:33.362+12:00Aha Chris, you've tumbled it. We are an imperi...Aha Chris, you've tumbled it. We are an imperial appendage at the edge of the (mainly) Anglo American financial empire. Key knows the whole thing from the core, he is after all thoroughly inculcated with an internal view of Wall St / City bankers.<br /><br />I see two issues here: <br />* Sovereignty and self determination, which might appear real in legislative terms is constantly under attack from the forces of international capital. I have read Waynes comments on things like TPPA and feel he has a good grasp of the realities of "how it actually is" without him ever challenging the status quo with a vision of something better. Like Key he is more than a "useful fool", an active promoter and beneficiary of our lack of sovereignty seems more likely.<br />* Our melding of a colonial people with an indigenous people with a further overlay of multi ethnicity. Keys idea that we are a British colony may be an insult to Maori (I cant talk for them), I definitely find it insulting. In a century and a half there is still no settlement of the process yet Key carries on as if there is no issue. As for the British they should hang their heads in shame at their treatment of NZers as just another people who have to apply for limited work permits etc, the blood of our people has been spilled for their benefit. yet they erect barriers to people and trade. How dare Key claim we are "theirs".Nick Jnoreply@blogger.com