tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post4811317547671243344..comments2024-03-29T03:41:12.499+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Is This What We Want?Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-32917186303868068522021-10-03T01:43:48.646+13:002021-10-03T01:43:48.646+13:00"Hello darkness, my old friend..."
What ..."Hello darkness, my old friend..."<br />What was the name of that song?The Barronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-78599887321183792452021-09-25T15:37:10.630+12:002021-09-25T15:37:10.630+12:00Actually Tom, let's test your credibility. Lis...Actually Tom, let's test your credibility. List the Union actions of the last decade which did not carry the mandate of the members.The Barronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-75628898548746090182021-09-25T15:20:10.449+12:002021-09-25T15:20:10.449+12:00Then I suggest you ask to be isolated somewhere. I...Then I suggest you ask to be isolated somewhere. If that does not work for you then I suggest you take all possible precautions as I am sure you do to avoid the other myriad of things that can kill us all in this life. theotherneilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14069098970625392455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-22942043890733509842021-09-25T11:06:50.353+12:002021-09-25T11:06:50.353+12:00I am reminded of this as I see the NZ government r...<i>I am reminded of this as I see the NZ government response to Covid19. Everything done right and to the highest standard.</i><br /><br />There have been multiple, documented, admitted failures over the last eighteen months in testing, the MIQ's, and the lack of ICU capacity (we've had a year to build it up) - and that's before we get to our pitifully slow vaccine strollout.<br /><br />Combined with his comment the other day about unions being democratic places of debate (why it's almost as if he's never been a member of a union) I think this marks "The Barron" as being beyond the reach of debate.Tom Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840988228699338463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-45842736154218428902021-09-24T18:21:48.855+12:002021-09-24T18:21:48.855+12:00The comments, especially that by John Trezise are ...The comments, especially that by John Trezise are terrifying.<br />Glenn Websterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16088070187603258374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-36793382350255365922021-09-24T16:11:14.756+12:002021-09-24T16:11:14.756+12:00I am reasonably optimistic we will get to 90% of t...I am reasonably optimistic we will get to 90% of the eligible population. Auckland is already over 80%.<br />However, Minister Henare has indicated that Maori vaccination rates are well below the general population, at least for those under 65. Given that he also says there will be no opening up until Maori are the same, or at least reasonably close to the general population in terms of vaccination rates, that potentially means trouble.<br />There will be a huge Maori led and focussed effort to lift the Maori vaccination rate, and I believe the wider population will be accepting that this will take time, say to March 2022. But what if the Maori vaccination rates is still significantly lagging at that point. What happens then?Wayne Mapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12906396523791648270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-39265030343563626332021-09-24T15:14:17.858+12:002021-09-24T15:14:17.858+12:00Anonymous 11.43 Good idea. When I did a busine...Anonymous 11.43 Good idea. When I did a business course years ago there was discussion on how to motivate already well paid staff. In NZ a goodly sum like $200 will draw people. Just think of the group that attended the money scramble from the firm with cunning entrepreneurial aim. NZ govt can deliver real money and should be done quickly, immediately after the vaccs in exchange for a designated person form that people collect for themselves and sign with preferably two signatures.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-51486510736829776952021-09-24T14:42:05.714+12:002021-09-24T14:42:05.714+12:00In 1990 I was working in London, one of my colleag...In 1990 I was working in London, one of my colleagues, who I had the odd pint with, was from the Philippines. He was in a professional position and sent much of his income back to his family in Baguio City. Unlike most in the Philippines, he could afford to be conscious about building standards. The house he built for his family was constructed to withstand large earthquakes. In 1990, the 7.7 Baguio quake was huge, but his house held up to the quake. Unfortunately for him, all the houses on the hill above his had not followed any standards and all came crashing down destroying his home.<br /><br />I am reminded of this as I see the NZ government response to Covid19. Everything done right and to the highest standard. Then we look overseas, and despair at the standard of those houses tittering above . . . The Barronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-24158161447742362022021-09-24T12:15:22.631+12:002021-09-24T12:15:22.631+12:00I'm sure it will be what quite a few New Zeala...I'm sure it will be what quite a few New Zealanders will want if they see case numbers (and perhaps even deaths) rise, despite vaccinations, as the country opens up. An Untermenchen will be required for such a failure.<br /><br />I'm already seeing it on Social Media sites like FaceTwit, and we seen it with the ploy made by President <i>"We're losing patience"</i> Biden and the far more cuddly Justin Trudeau of Canada, so it's not a stretch to imagine both Adern and Judith Collins reaching for the same stick.Tom Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840988228699338463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-79367224390769076042021-09-24T11:43:18.435+12:002021-09-24T11:43:18.435+12:00The vaccination programme is flagging and it needs...The vaccination programme is flagging and it needs a rapid boost in the under represented younger cohorts. Cracking heads is not the answer, but the announcement of a social dividend of $200 tax free for all New Zealanders (total population) double jabbed would galvanize action. It would particularly benefit large families struggling to make ends in the current environment. The direct cost $1 billion, nothing compared to the money spent and lost already under lockdowns. Furthermore, the money would be spent and represent a direct injection of funds to the economy. The benefit of a 90%+ programme is about ring-fencing our society and we should be prepared as a people to recognize each and every individual that sticks their arm out (including our very youngest). <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-39146550838959123912021-09-24T10:55:13.213+12:002021-09-24T10:55:13.213+12:00No one must be forced to be vaccinated; but neithe...No one must be forced to be vaccinated; but neither ought anyone be exposed to the danger an unvaccinated person poses, nor society to the economic consequences of an epidemic raging in our community. We must mandate vaccination passports as a condition of entry to workplaces, shopping malls, concert halls, stadiums, restaurants, bars, public transport, and everywhere that an unvaccinated person might come in contact with others.<br />The negligently unvaccinated are a threat to our health system, and to all who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. Vaccinated people still get infected, and still infect others. But the vaccinated are much less likely to end up in hospital, far, far less likely to end up in Intensive Care, and less likely, if they survive, to suffer the debilitation of Long Covid.<br />Every hospital bed occupied by a Covid sufferer is one no longer available to someone suffering from any of the other illnesses and injuries that afflict us. The more people who remain unvaccinated, the more Covid will render our hospitals unable to cope.<br />And those with Long Covid may overwhelm our Social Welfare system, an avalanche of invalids unable to work.<br />We must exclude the unvaccinated from society till they get the message. No jab: no job; no entry; no anything. Fear of exclusion will work wonders for all but the most obdurately vaccine-defiant.<br />John Trezisenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-10625008801828228912021-09-24T10:49:19.326+12:002021-09-24T10:49:19.326+12:00So what do we do with those people who have exerci...So what do we do with those people who have exercised their freedom of choice to not get vaccinated if they infect someone else, and this person gets very ill or dies? This is a question that just about everyone in the antivax camp has avoided answering when I've asked it. Personally I think they should either be sued or tried. And personally I think that private organisations and for that matter government departments and the like have a right not to allow unvaccinated people on their premises. You might have the right not to get vaccinated, I have the right not to associate with you, because you're right to punch stops at the end of my nose – and I don't think that I should have to suffer sanctions because you can't be bothered getting a jab. It's a little bit ironic that most of the Republican antivax people in the US voted for at will employment, yet now some of them are being fired for refusing to be vaccinated they are whining about freedom. Conservatism – where irony goes to die.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-43734928960756470742021-09-24T09:50:45.006+12:002021-09-24T09:50:45.006+12:00Of course, and the Westerns cpitalists' sacred...Of course, and the Westerns cpitalists' sacred freedom of choice must apply to such things as speed an alcohol limits. Exactly the same result will be achieved. The morgues and intensive care wards will fill not only with the drunken, unvaccinated and speed-freaks, but also with their victims. When other very ill people are taken to hospital, there will be no staff or beds available to care for them.<br /><br />This is happening in the Southern states of the US where the increase in average death rate is now way higher than the number of those dying of covid.<br /><br />I'm an 80 year old male. I've had 2 covid vaccinations, but my body's response to them was totally zero. With the Team of Five Million I felt safe for the next five years, but with the JAFAs Must Make Money capitulation I now give myself a five month life expectancy.John Archerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12365544317699157599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-71030468889828944122021-09-24T08:13:16.803+12:002021-09-24T08:13:16.803+12:00No, we must never "stomp on the heads of fell...No, we must never "stomp on the heads of fellow New Zealanders". Freedom of choice must prevail, especially over something as invasive as vaccination. I made the choice to get vaccinated, reluctantly, but I understand the concerns of those who don't wish to be. I also believe the figures of mass mortality put out by the government's modellers are wildly overstated. They bear little relation to the facts on the ground in comparable countries like Singapore or Denmark. Having said that I also believe the government has seriously dropped the ball when it comes to protecting New Zealanders' health in the medium to long term. Where are the new hospitals and ICU facilities? They don't exist. Instead millions have been frittered away since the election on mainly race-based initiatives such as a new ethnonationalist health authority or marae (private property) do-ups, and, soon to be, the race-based "3 Waters reforms" which will require billions in new borrowing if the government's promises are to be believed. No, the "team of 5 million" facade is cracking and the reckoning is coming.Odysseushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04745489060434244478noreply@blogger.com