tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post5726992363397191272..comments2024-03-29T03:41:12.499+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Buying Back The Whenua.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-8457184830267514062021-11-21T08:05:46.145+13:002021-11-21T08:05:46.145+13:00CXH: And where did I say that Maori were noble sav...CXH: And where did I say that Maori were noble savages? All I was saying was that they couldn't do a great deal worse than local bodies. And while Maori did a lot of ecological damage when they first arrived, there were no different to every other group that left Africa. They had at least arrived at some sort of ecological equilibrium by the time we arrived.<br />The concept of the noble savage, about which I think I know a little more than you, was used as an excuse for colonisation as well. I've been reading Atkinson. He seemed to be able to hold the ideas of noble and ignoble savages with regards to Maori in his mind at the same time, depending on how much they conformed to Pakeha ideals. It's interesting how little the rhetoric has changed.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-38715544430840735462021-11-19T21:32:41.926+13:002021-11-19T21:32:41.926+13:00Guerilla 'I'd much sooner have Maori in ch...Guerilla 'I'd much sooner have Maori in charge of my water thanks'. If you look at the damage to the environment they achieved with such a small population, imagine what they could have done with 5 million.<br /><br />The old concept of the noble savage seems to be unquestioned these days. CXHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07716356211635024878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-74781729097243349082021-11-19T16:54:34.316+13:002021-11-19T16:54:34.316+13:00If you actually read He Pua Pua controlling the wa...If you actually read He Pua Pua controlling the water and being able to extract rent is just one of the steps to an Ethnic State controlled by right of veto by 15% of the population.<br />They even set a date for its completion, 2040<br />All other New Zealanders will be second class citizens by law.<br />Even with a bought media the public can see their property being confiscated.Once the message gets through what the other steps will mean to their children and grandchildren their will be an explosionMatthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-82404604771297296982021-11-19T13:44:08.052+13:002021-11-19T13:44:08.052+13:00Water can only be owned once it has been contained...Water can only be owned once it has been contained. No one owns the rainfall.<br /><br />To this day, I do not know why Kai Tahu did not seek the ownership of the lake beds in their takiwa (territory).<br /><br />Given that Te Arawa Whanui were seeking to reclaim the ownership of the lake beds in their territory at the time the Kai Tahu settlement was being negotiated, it struck me as odd that Kai Tahu did not seek the same deal as Te Arawa Whanui.<br /><br />Given how badly water has been managed by local councils - especially the small tin pot councils - state ownership seems preferable to me.Shane McDowallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354384369518580573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-74769105834259671132021-11-19T10:16:34.524+13:002021-11-19T10:16:34.524+13:00There's an old Jasper Carrot joke – I can'...There's an old Jasper Carrot joke – I can't remember the run up, but the punchline is "And now we've got a bunch of sharks selling us our water." <br /><br />How many rivers can you still swim in? How many dairy farms have not fenced off their rivers? How many local bodies have allowed excessive pollution? You know what, I'd much sooner have Maori in charge of my water thanks.<br />Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.com