tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post5762692979794642282..comments2024-03-29T00:44:42.046+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Not So Great ExpectationsChris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-69899877824360633632013-04-25T01:16:51.734+12:002013-04-25T01:16:51.734+12:00Brilliant post! I've been struggling to say th...Brilliant post! I've been struggling to say this to the people around me.<br /><br />For the last 3 years or so I've been working within a decile 1A area in Auckland. One of the first things that you realise is that the psychology is VERY different. Within a state-dependency cycle, you've got a whole lot of people who've never known differently, don't know how to get themselves out, are disenfranchised due to the lack of understanding of their circumstances, have difficulty seeing themselves outside of the context of their own neighbourhood and community and have very little hope of things being different.<br /><br />When they imagine themselves in different circumstances, they envisage tokens of wealth - cars, an entourage etc.<br /><br />So while the mighty middle class are talking about making the wrong choices, one of the biggest things about the lack of money is the lack of choices. If you've never really had to make a serious choice, then making one can be horrendously foreign.<br /><br />As for a solution - keep the government out of it. Ring fence it while funding is put forward for doing things like increasing interdependency (if me and my neighbours start growing food or sharing responsibilities like childcare... they're more likely to ask for help from multiple sources when things get hard), put the right people in to help with financing (understanding a contract can be huge), look for transformative experiences (blogging for example and seeing how many people are listening to what they have to say can have a huge effort on self esteem and context) etc.<br /><br />I don't think these problems are insurmountable. I don't think we're going to get there with the almighty hammer that is government. I don't think it's going to be at all quick. But with the right people passionate and doing the right things, I think it is achievable.Nevynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01470520503000223131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-61563129960582700622012-09-29T23:42:16.608+12:002012-09-29T23:42:16.608+12:00Campbell Live:
Expert Anton Blank:. ..*More than h...Campbell Live:<br />Expert Anton Blank:. ..*More than half of the 230,000 N.Z children living below the poverty line are Maori and Pacifica and in 20 years they will make up 60% of NZ's children<br />......<br />So I think we can conclude family size is a factor. So why do so many people feel Maori and Pacifica peoples shouldn't cop some flack? Is it because the left diminish our Presbytarian values (with or with out the religion) under the cloak of cultural relativism?<br />....<br />I recall in the Kahui twins case the faunau combined drew $1800 in benefits.<br />......<br />Campbell Live's subject was telling porkies<br />http://www.3news.co.nz/Breaking-the-cycle-of-poverty/tabid/817/articleID/270750/Default.aspx#ixzz27qNa0n6g<br />..........<br />The Savings Working Group blames Government policies for high house prices citing immigration and tax breaks for property investors. Those immigration polices were supported by National, Labour and the Greens "anti immigration feeling has no place in the Green Party says [Father Christmas] Keith Locke".<br />In the great depression people could at least grow vegetables and that is how the Irish survived until potato blight.<br />....<br />Society needs to get away from the mentality that the economy is a big refrigerator were the big person opens the door and out comes the cat food.Frognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-6586075104021421082012-09-29T16:15:02.328+12:002012-09-29T16:15:02.328+12:00Another great article Chris. I'm educated and ...Another great article Chris. I'm educated and grew up in a comfortable middle class family but we are among the many scouring for jobs and the pay checks are erratic. We struggle quite often and yet consider ourselves fortunate compared to so many others. As a (relief) teacher I travel between the worlds you describe and I am thankful we have people like you who tell it like it is. Life is hard, almost intolerable, for many children in our increasingly disparate society - many are numb, hungry and traumatised (as are their parents) when they come to school - their heads are blocked so badly they can't even try to learn.<br />Saige Vendome Englandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08565165372046718458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-71073338118147856322012-09-29T12:28:59.651+12:002012-09-29T12:28:59.651+12:00Re; how many young people grow up in situations of...Re; how many young people grow up in situations of poverty & make good? - Overall the research would suggest about 1/3 to 1/2. Not everyone has terrible outcomes, but on average, long term poverty in an unequal society is associated with higher early death, higher imprisonment, poorer education, lower income, and poorer health of ones own children. Its great that many people escape these consequences. But many don't. YouthHealth Acedemicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-11519583917234521252012-09-28T21:22:01.154+12:002012-09-28T21:22:01.154+12:00Fred - how can you compare the 50s or 60s with tod...Fred - how can you compare the 50s or 60s with today?<br /><br /><br />Those were years when there was no unemployment, when tariffs protected industry, skills, and jobs. Unions were strong, wages were high, public education and public health were funded from taxation than wasn't being poured into welfare or prisons. Those were times when schools were equipped with baths to teach children how to swim, and where "Jack's as good as his master" was a popular saying. When was that last heard?<br /><br />You are comparing an apple to a lemon.<br /><br /><br />We are all moulded by the social forces that swirl around us.. family, friends, neighbourhood; the positive and negative attitudes we encounter both there and in the workplace if indeed we have one. And the punitive attitudes that define so many New Zealanders today are part of a creeping fascism that is making deunionised workplaces so unbearable for many as well.<br /><br />If the waters of that social pond are rancid, the health of all the creatures will suffer, even finally the fat frogs who think their lily-pad is above it all and immune from what is underneath.<br /><br />The smug souls who in their heart of hearts just know that they are more motivated, more responsible,and more deserving than their troglodytic inferiors should really ask the question:"How did we ever get to this stage from a once inclusive society? In the list of 'more' it is 'intelligence' that they are missing.<br /><br />In the midst of all of this is the injustice to children who once shared equally the same birthing facility, but unlike their peers finish up in the homes of the ignored, down- trodden, demoralised, purposeless, frustrated, and angry, where they will remain invisible to the sniffy elite unless broken by rage or graduating to prison.<br /><br />If you don't listen to the howls from the other side of town, you'll one day find the disaffected on your doorstep.Alannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-20110282550824680492012-09-28T10:52:29.250+12:002012-09-28T10:52:29.250+12:00If you take a step back and look in on the lives o...If you take a step back and look in on the lives of all New Zealanders as a collective you will see huge discrepancies in levels of income. When we talk of income it is how much you earn. I could never look up to the wealth holders as idols. Why have more than you really need? This is the issue to me...having more than you could possibly use in your life time while there are so many desperate unheard voices crying out for real attention and help.I say more community garden organisations , more generosity from wealth holders , less denial from the politicial claw hands and more positive interactions with needful families on a personal level.No,not nanny state interventions but genuine human help...from you and me.CosmicRocketCultivatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03959809203051987924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-87194882454806313402012-09-28T09:44:37.424+12:002012-09-28T09:44:37.424+12:00And if you look at the economy after Douglas took ...And if you look at the economy after Douglas took over your find that he destroyed the village in order to save it. I think Brian Easton's pretty conclusively shown this. Other countries managed to cope without the drastic effects New Zealand had.<br />Giving people more money is only part of the problem. Obviously you need education, sadly lacking in the right wing solution, but more money is necessarily required. I remember when it was Labour's ambition to give beneficiaries enough to take a full part in society – that went by the board.<br />If some of the laws and regulations brought in by Douglas are still in place it's because Labour has become gutless, moved right, and big business put pressure on them, rather than any intrinsic value there.guerilla surgeonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-23754956737078969292012-09-28T08:30:55.712+12:002012-09-28T08:30:55.712+12:00For the commentators here who have worked hard and...For the commentators here who have worked hard and made good choices themselves, who blame the poor for their bad choices, I would like to remind you that neither the value of your house, if you have one, nor the price of labour, if you employ anyone, is of your own doing. These things have been granted to you by policies that you did not make. <br /><br />Secondly, I would like to remind you that people cannot plan, and lose the talent for planning, when the criteria on which they might make plans is continually being changed or removed. <br /><br />Thirdly, I am not sure how well your own confidence would withstand it if you and your kind were subject to daily vilification in the news media. Given the wailing and that the slightest threat evokes, like talk of a CGT for example, I suggest that you would probably not cope all that well. <br /><br />One thing the Aussies have over us is that even their right wingers (Gina Reinhardt excepted) largely understand that everyone will suffer if you degrade people to such an extent that they no longer feel they are part of the wider society. Many kiwis seem to think that they can dish out hardship and contempt till the cows come home, with no risk of backlash on themselves.Olwynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-18019260759527022512012-09-27T23:38:12.777+12:002012-09-27T23:38:12.777+12:00This was articulated really well, so thanks! I am ...This was articulated really well, so thanks! I am a first year nursing student and I feel like my eyes have been opened up so much this year (ignorance truly is bliss). Countries with greater difference between rich and poor have higher health inequities. We are pretty high up for health inequity considering our "social structure" and the fact that we are a developed nation. <br />There are cracks in our systems though - kids born on the streets who don't "technically" exist. In order to get a WINZ benefit, one must have an address. Our greatest areas of deprivation are rural, these people don't have WINZ down the road, or an abundance of jobs in their area. <br />. It's unfortunate that the blame gets forced on these parents all the time, when they are product of a social construct. <br />Rather than people opening their eyes to the problem, it seems they would rather blame it on the parents, rather than taking a close look at the severity of what is actually going on in our nation. Yes, we have a better social welfare system than many countries. I don't argue that. However the mentality that assumes that this solves all problems of poverty aside from those who "choose" poverty; I abhor. Unless the mindset of New Zealanders starts to shift, I find it hard to believe that there will be change. Which is sad. Heart breaking to be honest. Kids are growing up sick because we aren't prepared to look at ourselves and move out of our comfort zones to make a difference. <br />Also, there are plenty of neglectful and horrid parents who are not living in poverty. So why don't we make an effort to deal with the problem as a societal problem, rather than stigmatising those who live in poverty regardless of how they treat their children?<br /><br />Ahh, just my thoughts :) probably not very cohesive, but this was pretty cathartic!BekahJaynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14364624841035696054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-72767029632777710642012-09-27T21:56:07.645+12:002012-09-27T21:56:07.645+12:00It seems to me it's the left that think that t... It seems to me it's the left that think that there are simple solutions-give the adults more money and there will be less/no poverty. Yeah right! If you bothered to examine the economy when 'Lange and Douglas got hold of it' you would realise that we were going broke at the time thanks to the mismanagement of Muldoon. In fact many of those reforms are still in place through nine years of the Clark government.Jigsawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13906156865367357834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-3434125702114182712012-09-27T15:00:41.721+12:002012-09-27T15:00:41.721+12:00People keep asking for a budget from Beneficiaries...People keep asking for a budget from Beneficiaries to show where the money goes. The basic benefit for a single mother is $293.58 Family Tax credit is $166.42 for 1 tween & 1 Teen My rent is HNZ $94.00 my Power is $45 Ph & Internet $40pw the bills budget includeds wof reg sch fees, shoes, sch trips, exam fees, stationery etc etc....the amount I have left for FOOD, doctor, chemist, clothes, car repairs & any thing else that pops up is $135.00 per week. Sanitary items also have to come out of that. My kids get breakfast and lunch and dinner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-22635518587823404722012-09-27T13:25:02.603+12:002012-09-27T13:25:02.603+12:00"Some people make really stupid choices in th..."Some people make really stupid choices in their lives."<br />I think a better question is why do the right always want simple answers? With questions like this there aren't any – get over it. It's not just down to choices, and you obviously have no idea what choices poor people are faced with. My parents arrived in this country with nothing, and they worked hard, and when they retired they had a house and $50,000. Hardly ranks to riches story. They make choices – they chose to travel rather than save , they chose a new fridge over a new jacket for me :-) and I tell you a kid looks bloody stupid wearing a jacket they bought aged 11 when his 14. THEY were choices. Yet they were never ever faced with the stark choice of paying for school shoes, or food, or buying a flagon of sherry and a Lotto ticket. I worked most of my career in teaching, I taught in the lowest decile schools for all of that career, and I still work with these kids. 99.9 % of their parents want what's best for them, even if they don't know what's best for them and can't articulate what's best for them. That since Lange and Douglas got hold of the economy most of these people have been out of work for generations. Their vision is restricted along with their choices. God if it was all down to choices none of us would be sleeping under bridges would we?guerilla surgeonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-2340987502047398032012-09-27T12:40:27.712+12:002012-09-27T12:40:27.712+12:00good post..
a must-watch is the native affairs fr...good post..<br /><br />a must-watch is the native affairs from mon-nite..(available online..)<br /><br />..they take the cameras into the grinding miseries of a caravan park in west auckland..<br /><br />..where the poorest of the poor live..<br /><br />..that..along with the campbell piece on school lunches have been two of the finest examples of current affairs journalism in some time..<br /><br />..you'd need a heart of stone to sneer at those inhabitants in that dystopian caravan park..<br /><br />..and of course it is worth noting that this hell-hole did not arrive with john key..<br /><br />..it was as it is now..during the ignoring of the poorest of the clark years..<br /><br />(funny story..!..apparantly clark has gone to the u.n...to fix global-poverty..<br /><br />..is there such a thing as tears of irony..)<br /><br />phillip ure @whoar..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-80455330922759118042012-09-27T11:24:18.581+12:002012-09-27T11:24:18.581+12:00I have been unemployed for nine months. I am recei...I have been unemployed for nine months. I am receiving the benefit and accomodation supplement but it is just not enough to cover my rent, power, water, food, internet and phone, car maintenance, insurance and credit repayments. I have spent the last nine months juggling money, cutting deals with the creditors and doing whatever I can to keep the power and phone on and the car warranted and registered. I raised two children with my Dads help and even with his income things were tight. I worked and studied while the kids went to school. I can't imagine the kind of poverty described above, as I have never really been there, and dare not judge those who cannot manage as I know how hard it is from recent experience. Intergenerational welfare dependancy is a problem that cannot be solved immediately, it takes a long term commitment to raising the bar for these families.Targeted interventions with wellbeing the goal, as opposed to these punishing reforms which only will increase misery and suffering of the innocent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-30110632838380403612012-09-27T09:02:26.171+12:002012-09-27T09:02:26.171+12:00I was a teacher for almost 40 years-primary and se... I was a teacher for almost 40 years-primary and secondary. Some people make really stupid choices in their lives. We all do but some make lots of them and in many cases repeatedly make bad choices. Of course their children should not be held responsible for those choices but unfortunately they are to a large degree. Being bought up in such a family means that the chances are they will also make more stupid choices. I really find it very difficult to understand why the left finds it so hard to acknowledge this so obvious fact.<br />As an example of the lack of knowledge such families have I recall a student who was leaving school for a totally unskilled job and when he told me (as a secondary teacher) the hourly wage he was to get-he went on to say "I'll bet that's more than you get". Nothing I could say would convince him that I got many times that amount. His family had told him that he should leave-that education was a waste of time. This was repeated many times over the years.<br />I remmeber going to a house to try and get a child to come to school only to hear as I started towards the house "it's the f***ing schoolteacher". <br /> It's very hard for middle class people to understand how some families operate.Jigsawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13906156865367357834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-9762779796385240272012-09-26T21:59:45.575+12:002012-09-26T21:59:45.575+12:00If it were solely a case of lack of parental respo...If it were solely a case of lack of parental responsibility, welfare and poverty numbers would only fluctuate as much as social conditioning evolves, very slowly and in little amounts. <br /><br />Why then does the amount of "bad parents" dramatically increase following an economic downturn? Where are all these extra "bad parents" during the boom years, when child poverty is a far rarer issue? The parents can afford to feed their kids in those years, that is the ONLY difference. So the fact is, this is SOLELY about economic woe, not simply personal responsibility. You fix one of these problems (economic) and you fix both (hungry kids). People forget, its not about the bad choices that are being made, its that those choices have to be made in the first place; that is the problem. Its not always cigarettes and liquor that is the priority, sometimes it is rent, unexpected doctors bills, mechanic bills - these can throw limited budgets out of whack completely. The cigarettes and liquor excuse is based on a huge unfair assumption. Personal responsibility, in relation to economics, is an unfair call in a deterministic world. Poverty stricken kids will likely grow up to be poverty stricken adults, if they somehow manage to escape they have managed to not be influenced by anything around them - their parents, their neighbourhood, their way of life, that would be an almost superhuman feat considering we all behave the way we do because of our experiences. The reality is these kids never really had a fair chance to begin with, that seems to be quite a hard concept to grasp for a lot of people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-37399058404055463272012-09-26T21:51:42.806+12:002012-09-26T21:51:42.806+12:00How about Salvation Army/city mission/ ??? WINZ/DS...How about Salvation Army/city mission/ ??? WINZ/DSW(I worry about bureaucracy) setting up a task force (like the old District nurses who had access) to go into all the homes and teach the families how to cope and look after their chn, and access money from winz, there are benefits available, if needed.Education not penalties!And continuing follow up. It is cheaper than all the negative effects on the families.........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-7123987925126736542012-09-26T09:59:08.077+12:002012-09-26T09:59:08.077+12:00I cannot believe people are still talking about po...I cannot believe people are still talking about policy. Feed the children NOW and let’s talk policy later.<br />Incidentally, one fact that is never mentioned is the cost of sanitary products when a girl starts menstruating. No doubt there are households where DIY hygiene arrangements are used because reliable modern products are unaffordable. It’s appalling that a kid has to put up with such a situation.<br />Fernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12706837774091073272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-5069444727281681062012-09-26T09:51:04.278+12:002012-09-26T09:51:04.278+12:00How many countless nights as a kid I would've ...How many countless nights as a kid I would've woken up and heard my mother weep at the kitchen table, looking over bills and stressing about how to make ends meet.<br /><br />My father worked long hours as a taxi driver, my mother never had less than 2 jobs.<br /><br />My parents never bought things on HP, they always tried to buy fresh fruit and veges from the Otara markets, for years we never owned a TV, our lunches would often consist of two slices of bread and a slap of peanut butter, clothes were bought at the big second hand clothing warehouses in Mangere.<br /><br />We would look in the bins of the local shops to look for aluminum cans for collection so we had a few more dollars to buy food for the week. We would visit my great aunt for dinner on nights my parents struggled to stretch her last dollars. Holidays always occurred within the Auckland area, never overseas.<br /><br />But I've realised looking back, that my parents were living on a knifes edge. We were lucky, not because of the personal choices by my parents, but that we grew up when the economy was relatively healthy. <br /><br />We made it through the tough 90s, and my parents were fortunate enough to have kept their heads above water to keep mortgage payments going, and have had their property value increase. This has helped fund me and my siblings' education. We are now all University graduates.<br /><br />But not everyone has the same story to tell. At any point our path could have taken a different direction due to economic and political decisions. <br /><br />Plenty of families today will make the same identical decisions my parents made. But the economic and political environment will not be as kind as they were to my parents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-55262340755878419282012-09-26T07:32:11.552+12:002012-09-26T07:32:11.552+12:00We seem to be getting bogged down in "Hole in...We seem to be getting bogged down in "Hole in't road? We would have killed for hole in't road." And we were not all poor at one stage. Many of us at one stage in our lives lacked money, possibly because we were engaged in getting the qualifications to make it. Many middle-class people claim to have been more, but always seem to forget that their families had money. And then there are those who live on the benefit for a week, without having a kid get sick or need new shoes for school, and say it's easy. I think you should all read some Sen. Here's a start:http://harvardmagazine.com/2011/01/who-is-poor.guerilla surgeonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-25380036880830518592012-09-26T01:25:37.382+12:002012-09-26T01:25:37.382+12:00When does the innocent child become the despised a...When does the innocent child become the despised adult who deserves to suffer for their 'poor personal choices'? So many people can't seem to comprehend the significance of one's upbringing. They lack imagination, as you say, and a basic understanding of child development and sociology. It's depressing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-72312675374978581802012-09-25T22:21:25.139+12:002012-09-25T22:21:25.139+12:00Excellent as always Chris.
Annony at 4.10 inadve...Excellent as always Chris. <br /><br />Annony at 4.10 inadvertently puts his finger on it:<br /><br /><em>My nicely wealthy, working-in-IT friends all provide for their children just fine, but equally, if something bad happened, I can't envisage any kind of scenario where they'd let the children go without food, short of them being trapped under rubble.</em><br /><br />Of course you can't anon: your experience and mental state is so totally different from these parents that it is literally impossible. Just as you would be unable to envisage any scenario that would cause you or your friends to exhibit any of the behaviour of, say, a sufferer of dementia.<br /><br />And just as we no longer accept "possession by the devil" as an easy explanation, surely you can see deeper than "innately evil parents" in this case. For where did that "innate evil" disappear to when we had near-full employment? Like the devil, it doesn't exist.<br /><br />Here's an alternative explanation. When human beings are subjected to prolonged periods of deep insecurity and anxiety, they'll go bananas to varying degrees (or in the "evil" vernacular, "make poor choices"). Just a proven fact, Anon,and it doesn't matter if you're in the Somme, Helensville or Otara.<br /><br />Ever looked after the kids when the wife went away for a few days Anon? Then try to envisage this: doing it for years, 24/7, alone, on the smell of an oily rag and constantly and utterly, terrifyingly, dependent for even that paltry whiff on the bumbling bureaucratic nightmare of DWI and the mood of the next unknown face in constantly shuffling parade of stressed case managers with six weeks training. 24/7.<br /><br />Then on top of that chuck the coup de grace, the camel's straw: the 24/7 attitude of your society; as constantly rained upon you via talkback, press, anonymous blog commenters and most importantly, your government.<br /><br />In aboriginal societies, "pointing the bone" was enough to kill. Even without the grinding anxiety. Evolution doesn't move that fast, and it is here, too. Beneficiaries get sick and die at an alarmingly accelerated rate. <br /><br />You seem a reasonable bloke, so take it from me: there but for the grace of something goes anyone, including even IT guys. <br /><br />Don't be a bone-pointer Anon. It's not just lazy and dumb, you're actually, truly, starving kids and killing people.<br /><br />ak <br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-83915266441433190472012-09-25T21:50:04.651+12:002012-09-25T21:50:04.651+12:00"My nicely wealthy, working-in-IT friends all..."My nicely wealthy, working-in-IT friends all provide for their children just fine, but equally, if something bad happened, I can't envisage any kind of scenario where they'd let the children go without food, short of them being trapped under rubble"<br /><br />OK - let's just chance the circumstances of your nice friends at the point at which "something bad" happens:<br />- they have no savings<br />- they don't own a house<br />- they have no parents/relatives with enough discretionary cash to help for a while<br />- they don't own a house<br />- they have no car to sell or one that is worth less than $3k and they need to get kids to school or such-like<br />- one child has chronic illness or condition<br />- etc.<br />Hmmm - maybe just sometimes even your "nice" friends might struggle to feed the kids properly?<br />You display exactly the failure of imagination Chris describes, and more than that, you are extraordinarily exacting in your demands on these parents. They must exhibit a sort of steely determination and moral purity you doubtless don't exhibit yourself.<br />You are not evil - just limited.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-77039387259604927122012-09-25T21:34:27.362+12:002012-09-25T21:34:27.362+12:00The real problem is we have a PM who is just not c...The real problem is we have a PM who is just not connected with social realities to be PM. Either that or he is a two faced liar. Katnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-16005847328447253582012-09-25T21:13:26.205+12:002012-09-25T21:13:26.205+12:00I have to say when I was a young child, There was ...I have to say when I was a young child, There was 6 of us living on a single income of around $500 p/w. That's less than $100 p/p for 2 adults, 2 teens, and 2 very young children... don't forget rent, power oh and the child support for another sibling (which was a lot more back then). I always had a school lunch, breakfast and dinner. My parents made sure of that! My mum worked when she could despite having 2 young children and being a step-mum to the older kids. My Dad eventually went on the benefit studied and got a better job 13+ years later he is on a six figure income (which he worked hard for!) My parents put in a hell of a lot of hard work to raise us and sacrificed having nice things for themselves.I have no idea what's happening now? Are the parents putting in the hard work?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com