tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post5888897906766866789..comments2024-03-29T03:41:12.499+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Is Australia Sending Us A Message?Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-64651088819051905252015-10-07T13:28:50.455+13:002015-10-07T13:28:50.455+13:00Jigsaw, until you come up with actual figures as t...Jigsaw, until you come up with actual figures as to how many people "don't want to work" as a percentage of those people who are actually unemployed, you're still pulling stuff out of your arse. I've had a damn sight more experience with unemployed people than you I guarantee, and very few of them don't want to work. So you come up with some figures, then we might take you seriously.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-75444049088363235932015-10-07T09:19:13.373+13:002015-10-07T09:19:13.373+13:00To left wingers poverty is not a choice since thos...To left wingers poverty is not a choice since those who don't want to work should be able to live off other people with the state can tax them to do so.Jigsawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13906156865367357834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-55141573692046523202015-10-06T19:53:44.304+13:002015-10-06T19:53:44.304+13:00Of course I'm right :-). To right-wingers, POV...Of course I'm right :-). To right-wingers, POVERTY is a choice.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-180048029136485822015-10-06T19:41:29.691+13:002015-10-06T19:41:29.691+13:00Chris, only NSW and Tasmania were penal colonies. ...Chris, only NSW and Tasmania were penal colonies. WA, SA, VIC, QLD were settled by free men. With regard to the boat people, so the fact that approx 1500 people drowned at sea trying to get to Australia does not mean anything? Is it not humane to prevent people drowing ar sea? Or do you feel as the Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young "accidents happen"?<br /><br />Michael Wyndhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12323632941060268210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-54012234086773619892015-10-06T18:10:40.443+13:002015-10-06T18:10:40.443+13:00you may be right GS...and I guess they also choose...you may be right GS...and I guess they also choose to be indefinately incarcerated without charge and access to the legal system before they are dispatched to a place they have no knowledge of or familial support in....maybe Muldoon was right<br />pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727942156598555852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-15641102207910173902015-10-06T16:44:35.919+13:002015-10-06T16:44:35.919+13:00GS that is the mentality of most rightwingers, Rem...GS that is the mentality of most rightwingers, Remember they believe that people are poor because they are deficient in body and soul. Has nothing to do with economics of course. Also there are plenty of jobs out there but the un-employed are just too lazy!Bushbaptisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09657695593141243969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-68780181369291806232015-10-06T13:18:58.746+13:002015-10-06T13:18:58.746+13:00I doubt somehow if jigsaw feels that criminals are...I doubt somehow if jigsaw feels that criminals are born, though he may do. It's more like that he thinks they CHOOSE to be criminals – nothing to do with unemployment, poverty, lack of hope and all that left-wing stuff.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-66616008591781375822015-10-06T11:16:11.389+13:002015-10-06T11:16:11.389+13:00Jigsaw...so your contention is criminals are born?...Jigsaw...so your contention is criminals are born?...... and in this instance as they were born in NZ they should be sent to the country of their birth irrespective?<br /> Shall we perhaps develop some system for identifying these natural criminals and a method of preventing the potential cost/harm they may inflict on society?<br />I believe theres been quite a bit of work that has already been done around this, indeed even some trials.pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727942156598555852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-20640445238368265862015-10-06T07:19:17.297+13:002015-10-06T07:19:17.297+13:00Jigsaw. Yes they have.Jigsaw. Yes they have.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-10365295533638790962015-10-05T17:19:28.004+13:002015-10-05T17:19:28.004+13:00No one has been MADE a criminal by the country the...No one has been MADE a criminal by the country they live in.Jigsawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13906156865367357834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-3472443536795212112015-10-05T14:28:20.141+13:002015-10-05T14:28:20.141+13:00Despite their bravado Aussie is an unhappy country...Despite their bravado Aussie is an unhappy country with deep seated insecurities in my view.<br />They feel inferior to the Poms whereas we feel their equal.<br />They look up to the Yanks whereas we feel superior.<br />Aust is also relatively corrupt, like the US. We are not, like Britain.<br />They should be called correctly the United States of Australia. We should correctly be called New Britain.<br /><br />I don't know if it would work but we should take them to Court over deporting people here if they have been brought up in Aussie. They are products of Aussie, so not our people.<br />As I understand it the most successful immigrant group in Aussie are Kiwis but some of our worst talent goes there too. Both facts help the Strines resent and dislike NZ. This all plus having a way better climate, better government and better sporting success per capita just plain annoys the Unhappy Country. We are a more advanced, humane and modern country than Australia which is stuck with a Winston Peter's like nationalism that is laughable. Our ability to change our flag and become a republic over night if we choose also pisses them off, as it is almost impossible for them constitutionally.<br />The best reason to change our flag is to piss them off, since they will be stuck with the one they copied from us!Charles Enoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-12396003833670371622015-10-04T12:44:37.888+13:002015-10-04T12:44:37.888+13:00I think that Anonymous (signed Mick) has set out t...I think that Anonymous (signed Mick) has set out the very important points that we need to bear in mind which come from his direct experience. <br /><br />It has the ring of truth about employment. We have heard similar plaints here about immigrants taking 'our' jobs. Which will be partly true, but not the whole story. My father while in business, often was asked to sign the Labour Department form stating there was no work for that person. And it would often be that he had been tried and been unreliable. <br /><br />So that quick resentment rising against Kiwis was incorrect and based on prejudice, and indicative of a latent hostility that shows the friendship, mateship attitude of respect and affection for Kiwis is just skin-deep.<br /><br />greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-73035486659449112162015-10-04T11:48:22.529+13:002015-10-04T11:48:22.529+13:00Maori criminals are an easy mark for Aust politici...Maori criminals are an easy mark for Aust politicians...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-30767781646663683042015-10-03T10:22:08.224+13:002015-10-03T10:22:08.224+13:00if you enter Australia as a toddler and are raised...if you enter Australia as a toddler and are raised within their education and social policy environment are you not a product of Australian society?pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727942156598555852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-48751326599249930912015-10-03T00:13:17.458+13:002015-10-03T00:13:17.458+13:00Australians are like computers, you have to punch ...Australians are like computers, you have to punch information into them.<br /><br />The last NZ PM to do so was Rob Muldoon, the rest have rolled over. <br /><br />Ansett was a dog that needed puting down, but instead, we bought it and acted like the SPCA while it bled all over the floor. <br /><br /> Australian disdain for NZ and every other country who doesn't stand up to their arrogance won't go away voluntarily. PNG / Australia relations is just scum finding its own level.<br /><br />I worked in WA for a number of years when one day the Commonwealth unemployment figures came out. Coincidently the number of unemployed in the state roughly equalled the number of kiwis working there. We became the jews of WA; every talk back radio and newspaper opinion piece revolved around kiwi's taking 'Aussie jobs'. One day a letter to the editor in the West Australian got featured. "Sir, I note there are x thousand NZers employed in WA and there is the same x1000 number of locals unemployed. If you send the kiwis home it will mean x1000 lazy Aussie bastards will have to go to work"<br />The whining died down. But not the number of deadbeat locals that came to my firm wanting their dole paper signed saying they were unsuitable for the jobs we advertised.<br /><br />Their unions, cops and politicians have been rotted by corruption since the colony days and it hasn't been helped since by imports from the Levant. They will continue to act as they always have done unless whacked on the snout. <br /><br />I doubt Key has the same counterpunching testicular fortitude of the late Rob 'Gang-of-One' Muldoon. He'll make the right bleating noises while they ignore him. I hope he proves me wrong.<br /><br />MickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-4096863610109124442015-10-02T22:35:37.490+13:002015-10-02T22:35:37.490+13:00For those who've come across the seas
We'v...For those who've come across the seas<br />We've boundless plains to share;<br />With courage let us all combine<br />To advance Australia fair.<br />In joyful strains then let us sing<br />"Advance Australia fair!" Koro Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09059605327158334326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-58542034456654091152015-10-02T21:27:04.731+13:002015-10-02T21:27:04.731+13:00GS I don't think I am over-thinking our relat...GS I don't think I am over-thinking our relations with Australia. I mentioned our not being allowed to fly on domestic routes there. And the power of advertising is revealed when you refer to the Apple controversy! But all the things you refer to over at least thirty years underline our diminishing and now eroded relationship. Where is the mateship and ANZAC rugged respect man to man? (They are often AWOL when it comes to accepting women as equals).<br /><br />As for PNG, perhaps there is more to do in helping them to get a viable democratic government system going. And perhaps it would be done better by other than Australia?greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-15747932295414038462015-10-02T20:33:50.446+13:002015-10-02T20:33:50.446+13:00Well the guy who was over there since he was 4 was...Well the guy who was over there since he was 4 was MADE a criminal by Australia - maybe they should keep him :-).Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-63834563195070894312015-10-02T17:25:08.991+13:002015-10-02T17:25:08.991+13:00Yes they are sending us a message, it reads' D...Yes they are sending us a message, it reads' Dear NZ we are sending back some of the lovely people you have allowed to migrate to our country, we are sure that you will enjoy their company, we didn't, kind regards Australia, PS please do not send anymore, you can look after them yourself. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-40780170801918156342015-10-02T17:02:59.565+13:002015-10-02T17:02:59.565+13:00In the last , lets say 10 years, have the Romanian...In the last , lets say 10 years, have the Romanians, Chinese, Filapino, Albanians and Indian refugees to NZ gained citizenship of NZ and then get access to Australia so they can get free entry to the Australian welfare and healthcare systems. I would venture to say most. Australia is sick and tired of this rort into their country. Most of these criminals held in Australian detention centres are not NZ born. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-8469398257171547562015-10-02T16:52:24.939+13:002015-10-02T16:52:24.939+13:00This week I heard the radio segment on Radio Live ...This week I heard the radio segment on Radio Live with Rodney Hide and Chris Trotter. Chris was surprised and seemed to be taken aback at Hide's attitude. The first was at Hide's thought, "They (NZers) decided to live there, they should be prepared to live by their rules."<br /><br />Hide's flippant dismissal of people being incarcerated without legal representation was stunning. I have the feeling that if some far away country were acting like Australia Rodney Hide and others would be wailing about the subjugation of human rights and condemnation would be quick and loud.<br /><br />I suppose the heady commemorations of Gallipoli with the attendant chants of "ANZAC brothers" and "fighting and dying for freedom" are long gone. Long gone, and replaced by the blissful acceptance of being gutless lapdogs. Got that Mr Key? "Gutless." Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-33668565487568530212015-10-02T16:40:53.464+13:002015-10-02T16:40:53.464+13:00Australia is a respected player in world affairs, ...Australia is a respected player in world affairs, they see the world differently than we do, I believe that New Zealanders, amongst all immigrants, lead in countries with the highest amount of dole recipients. Australia saw the battles of the Coral Sea as vital to the very survival of their country. NZ did not. Australia suffered attack by the Japanese at Darwin and also Sydney. The Coral sea conflicts, the attacks on Darwin and Sydney do not register with most NZ'rs. Most Australians rate NZ as a country with a high amount of people who come to their shore's to bludge. Many of the criminals in Australia are Kiwis, they have high percentage compared with other migrants. That's enough though there could be more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-85222985110453933272015-10-02T12:55:49.459+13:002015-10-02T12:55:49.459+13:00As long as we New Zealanders elect to have the lik...As long as we New Zealanders elect to have the likes of John Key and co running and representing this country we occupy scarce moral high-ground let alone castigate the Aussies.Katnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-78938472702123894322015-10-02T12:44:07.594+13:002015-10-02T12:44:07.594+13:00Well stated Chris: I felt a little disturbed yeste...Well stated Chris: I felt a little disturbed yesterday reading about Kiwi born but Australian raised people being deported via Christmas Island. Their failure was to commit a crime punishable by a years imprisonment without first becoming an Australian citizen. I'm not overly worried about repatriation of criminals BUT you do have to question their technical citizenship versus where they really belong to. One man was taken to Australia at 4 years old, and is being sent to NZ where he has no friends or family or knowledge of. His own family are all in Australia. Totally heartless, I am ashamed of my Australian neighbors and have no wish for us to emulate them. Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-56648101341131443072015-10-02T11:39:33.270+13:002015-10-02T11:39:33.270+13:00Grey warbler, I think you tend to over think thing...Grey warbler, I think you tend to over think things. Things have not been quite as good between Australia and us since we banned nuclear weapons. Australia has always been closer to the US them we have, and has for at least the last 30 or 40 years treated us as poor cousins. Just think about the Apple controversy, and the fact that Air New Zealand isn't allowed to fly domestic in Australia. Their governments put their interests first second and third. Which is maybe as it should be I dunno, but the last time they showed any great independence of spirit was when they withdrew their troops from the Middle East and World War II.<br />And the slur on PNG might seem small and unimportant to you, but these throwaway lines are what set the tone. It's a typical right-wing tactic to be honest where they say something like "of course everybody knows......" when in fact everybody doesn't. Hooton is a great master of this the patronising bastard. :-) And what faith can you have in the main body, if they get the details wrong.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.com