tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post6190454156412106562..comments2024-03-29T17:12:19.648+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: From Kingmaker - To King?Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-11100272878487929732016-09-14T07:44:19.475+12:002016-09-14T07:44:19.475+12:00"Yes even better than the current one which s..."Yes even better than the current one which surely is very arguably the current best ever, not that I expect anyone on this blog to agree."<br />Quite right. Neither do all those people who have to live in their cars.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-69746743132863533982016-09-13T21:54:42.677+12:002016-09-13T21:54:42.677+12:00I would vote for that since I think only National ...I would vote for that since I think only National and Labour (still) are fit to govern.<br />.....<br /><i>SWG Report:<br />The Government’s role<br />Clearly, there are serious questions to be asked about New Zealand’s economic policy and how we got into this mess. Why was it not better designed and managed, and more focussed, coordinated and strategic? Did the electorate simply get what it voted for, without realising what was really happening, or have New Zealanders not been well served over the years?</i><br />http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/reviews-consultation/savingsworkinggroup/pdfs/swg-report-jan11.pdf<br /><br /><i>Like any public policy in the area of housing, it's always a delicate balance between being effective in trying to slow prices going up, and making sure you don't have some catastrophic reaction you're not expecting," Key said.</i><br />http://www.interest.co.nz/news/83557/pm-says-wary-policy-action-could-cause-catastrophic-slump-housing-market-points-australiajhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-22810374757756167892016-09-13T14:32:05.255+12:002016-09-13T14:32:05.255+12:00Chris if Peters were to get 20% I expect a majorit...Chris if Peters were to get 20% I expect a majority of the extra 9% would have come from Labour (as with the latest poll). But in my opinion that would be the chance for NZ to be more like Germany where our problematic (because we are not German, ie sober & sensible) MMP system was copied from. We could have a grand coalition at last, which if successful could be the best government in our history. Yes even better than the current one which surely is very arguably the current best ever, not that I expect anyone on this blog to agree.<br />I would vote for that since I think only National and Labour (still) are fit to govern. To have NZF or the Greens in power here is as awful a prospect as Trump in the Whitehouse. And similar. Both NZF and NZG are cult-like, as is the Trump lot: One is a nasty little narcissist's cult & the other an irrationalists' / animists' pseudo-religious cult.Charles Enoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-47293835667996975112016-09-12T14:16:28.427+12:002016-09-12T14:16:28.427+12:00To: Jens Meder.
Lengthy discussions about the rol...To: Jens Meder.<br /><br />Lengthy discussions about the role of capital in the growth of civilisation are, as I told you before, Jens, best confined to your own blog.<br /><br />I will not have them on mine.Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-53386345706767488872016-09-12T12:35:56.967+12:002016-09-12T12:35:56.967+12:00and one other thing related to GDP is the cost of ...and one other thing related to GDP is the cost of bad (cheap/ shoddy) building. While they like to talk about "starter homes" that is affective language as the reality is that these homes will be lived in by a low paid worker who will either put up with their faults or try to improve them and blow a lot of money (architects costing $Z/ hr).jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-60202586060126870792016-09-12T11:55:59.235+12:002016-09-12T11:55:59.235+12:00"We expect GDP lifted a whopping 1.2 per cent..."We expect GDP lifted a whopping 1.2 per cent over the June quarter, led by construction, manufacturing and retail activity," ASB senior economist Jane Turner writes in her preview.<br />.........<br />but GDP per capita is only .8 and that increase isn't even. Also GDP is just a measure of total economic activity which includes a police chase, cleaning up an oil spill, traffic accident's etc. So where does that leave us?jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-25125063234192116362016-09-12T09:23:03.716+12:002016-09-12T09:23:03.716+12:00Does anyone understand the polls on immigration?
...Does anyone understand the polls on immigration?<br /><br />Polls asking "should we reduce the number of migrants": about 60%<br />Polls that ask less; about right; more: 57% "about right" + "more"?? <br /><br />Maybe when push comes to shove "about right" is dominated by "reduce"?<br />jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-19781698545536995672016-09-12T09:04:10.438+12:002016-09-12T09:04:10.438+12:00NZ First has no infrastructure. As far as I can se...NZ First has no infrastructure. As far as I can see only Winston has much talent. If Winston went the demand would still be there. <br />It is only recently there has been much noise about immigration. The ship had to sink until the water started flooding the upper decks. The <i>New New Zealand</i> is the legacy of Labour, National and the Greens. At issue is the well being of (original) New Zealanders and the benefits to those New Zealanders whose interests those politicians were charged to protect. "New" New Zealanders benefited but (forgetting about them) those in the property construction and associated non-tradeables benefitted, however these industries have no way of making everyone else better off. Meanwhile we suffer a loss of national identity, we have undreamed of traffic problems, we loose the back yard. In short we have a politically sanctioned invasion. And we have an Orwellian <i>institutionalisation of public discourse</i>: a legacy of Labour and the Greens.jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-23595847523653555742016-09-12T08:45:05.361+12:002016-09-12T08:45:05.361+12:00Grant Says:
The Standard or any of its authors or...Grant Says:<br /> The Standard or any of its authors or commentors? If this is a typical example of your ability to understand and analyse matters political then you need another hobby.<br />.......<br />That's hardly my fault, afterall we don't know what our politicians stand for. They have shiny apples out the front and dirty books under the counter. <br />Why would I think <i>The Standard</i> is The Labour Party?: (Actually not the Labour Party but a dominent faction) Because there is <i>no one</i> in the labour party who I recognise as having similar interests to my own (Shane Jones perhaps, I approve of the fact he watches blue movies but not his helping Bill Lui). Maybe David Shearer but he reminds me of a dignitary in a suit who overturns the first clod. I first became aware of Andrew little when I switched on Parliament and here is this chap moowing like a cow over giving "succour" to refugees (they never get their "succour" in andrew littles neighborhood - he just gets the accolades). Last election David Cunliffe apologised for being a man and when they lost James Dann of <i>Multicultural</i> (fewer New Zealanders) Aotearoa wrote an open letter saying he should go as he didn't want to keep loosing.jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-74661983105989229772016-09-10T14:28:30.895+12:002016-09-10T14:28:30.895+12:00Your scenario appears to omit one other option - N...Your scenario appears to omit one other option - National forming a coalition with Labour to foil Peters.<br /><br />Not palatable but, a pragmatic option if National is on say 37% and Labour on 18/20%.pdmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-34613171092478720022016-09-10T14:00:25.802+12:002016-09-10T14:00:25.802+12:00N.Z.First,has one foundation and that is Winnie,wh...N.Z.First,has one foundation and that is Winnie,when he trades his suits for shorts and polo tops it will be all over for N.z. First,as most of their members shall slink back to the farm paddock that is National.<br /><br />Winston,has shown that he is slippery as a eel in long grass, when it comes to who HE,chooses to go with.If Labour and Greens,need him they will in all out desperation offer him more than the Nats,and for Winston,deputy and Leader bounce he would find not to shabby however unprecedented.aberfoylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11484495252081507064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-25410052860134280262016-09-10T07:42:59.415+12:002016-09-10T07:42:59.415+12:00Hi Chris
@ GS I thought it was the Tight Fiv...Hi Chris <br /> @ GS I thought it was the Tight Five that sunk Winston in that era rather than a deep six.<br />Cheers David J SDavid Stonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-51728590536373971062016-09-09T21:13:44.732+12:002016-09-09T21:13:44.732+12:00jh
Greens directions can be expected, have been sp...jh<br />Greens directions can be expected, have been spelt out for years.<br />Labour Party and The Standard are two different entities.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-50395771113032853952016-09-09T20:19:18.773+12:002016-09-09T20:19:18.773+12:00....unless Labour takes up progressive Social Demo.......unless Labour takes up progressive Social Democratic leadership the 3rd way - upwards FOR ALL via meaningful wealth ownership BY ALL !! ?Jens Mederhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10371374720779147859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-7911660307751327632016-09-09T16:00:11.848+12:002016-09-09T16:00:11.848+12:00"Winnie hate's the NATS "
Winston s..."Winnie hate's the NATS "<br /><br />Winston seems to hate everyone. Admittedly it's probably maybe mostly rhetoric, but he's made pretty nasty comments about the Greens, about the Maori party, and Labour. I think he probably does reserve his visceral hatred for National though, considering they deep sixed him largely over his Maori policy which was in fact quite respectable. And wasn't it Holyoke who said he "wasn't very good under the high ball."? A distinctly racist comment if common at the time.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-78682917118002578792016-09-09T15:42:12.460+12:002016-09-09T15:42:12.460+12:00Key (or Judith Collins) have another option if 201...Key (or Judith Collins) have another option if 2017 is as predicted with Labour on 20%, NZL on 20% and the green on 9%. That is not be the government. Let NZF be a minority government, sit on the opposition benches and wait to see how long NZF would last.<br /><br />National does not have to form a government. Sure Winston would be PM but how would he pass legislation?<br /><br />With Labour all but gone from the scene a new election could well stir up the electorate to give a fresh majority mandate to National.<br /><br />As they say interesting times.<br /><br /> Gerritnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-22930567905857906122016-09-09T15:40:23.354+12:002016-09-09T15:40:23.354+12:00Best piece of science fiction I have read for a lo...Best piece of science fiction I have read for a long time Chris - you wish!peteswriteplacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474922953916383101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-70179403390669374792016-09-09T14:40:41.814+12:002016-09-09T14:40:41.814+12:00Chris. *Tukuroirangi (sp)
@jh. The Standard.org i...Chris. *Tukuroirangi (sp)<br /><br />@jh. The Standard.org is many things, not all of them pleasant. However it does not belong to the Labour Party or any subset thereof; nor does it act as a mouthpiece for Labour policy, other than on the occasions when individuals express their support and loyalty for Labour policy at which point other authors and commentors often pitch in and express disagreement. How then would the Labour Party exert control or influence over The Standard or any of its authors or commentors? If this is a typical example of your ability to understand and analyse matters political then you need another hobby.<br /><br />The 'Labour Movement' encompasses the broader left from radical to (debatably) centrist and the left wing commentors include people from Labour, Green and Mana parties along with a smattering of NZ First and mavericks who don't claim a party allegiance but hold to a more or less 'left wing' world view. <br /><br />@Chris. I don't know if your alternative universe will ever materialise. Winston may well get to play some part in a future Govt. He has before and may well do so again. His Party is ideologically problematic in my view however. If the Labour Party contains a fault line between 'wets' and 'drys' which marks the true centerline in NZ politics (a thesis I seem to recall you have promulgated yourself?), then it is probably also true that a similar demarcation line exists within NZ First between socially conservative / nationalist ex Labour people representing the old Labour movement and their socially conservative nationalist ex National Party colleagues representing farmers and small business owners who admired the kind of conservative governance dished up by the likes of Holyoake and Muldoon. Such a party makes a great social club for the disillusioned and angry who "want their country back", but it doesn't make for a cohesive political force if it ever takes a place on the Govt. benches and gets a chance to turn policy into law.<br /><br />The main political purpose for the NZ First party is as a vehicle for those who are thoroughly pissed off to register their pissed-offedness. It is the Brexit option. It is the Trump option. It is the 'up yours' to the establishment option. Very funny really because it represents the people who were the establishment thirty years ago.Grantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-25194171190464416722016-09-09T13:45:51.907+12:002016-09-09T13:45:51.907+12:00There was a 2% shift away from the Nats last summe...There was a 2% shift away from the Nats last summer, followed by a further 2% in winter. These centrists will go with National when everything seems okay: they move out when things look dubious. They'll go to NZ First if a centre-left option isn't available. Therefore the longer it takes for Labour & the Greens to deliver substance to the promise of their MoU, the more the scenario you have outlined becomes feasible.<br /><br />Ultimately the next election outcome will be produced by the viability of a center-left government in waiting. If centrists can see the shape of it in the run-up to the campaign, it will loom as a genuine alternative. You're right that the PM will be produced by the numbers, and I've also seen the three-way split as a likely outcome. However the economy is steady as she goes, we currently lack any trigger to stampede the centrists sideways, and so the most realistic outcome at this stage is further incremental drift in that direction...Dennis Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03896548696877859130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-67435584168010260852016-09-09T12:43:37.391+12:002016-09-09T12:43:37.391+12:00Chris, well done a first class political thriller....Chris, well done a first class political thriller. <br />To survive perhaps Labour should devolve themselves and all join NZF and Winnie, I do not think there is any precedent for such an action but Labour looks as if it has lost its socialist zeal and simply wants to go through life with a National Lite agenda.<br />Labour adherents keep saying (The Standard) that Winnie hate's the NATS and will choose the LabGreens as his choice of coalition partner(s). <br />That seems to me to be 'a wing and a prayer' opinion without factual base.<br />Winnie is playing an absolutely tight hand in regard to future coalition partners and if Shane Jones joins NZF and stands for a Northern seat then LabGreens will have little chance with coalition with NZF as Shanes Jones detests the Greens and some elements and old enemies in Labour.<br /><br />King maker Winnie will be pondering what is best for himself and his party. <br />Shane jones will be pondering a resignation from his sinecure.<br />John Key will be pondering what he can give to Winnie.<br />Andrew little, Metiria Turei and James Shaw will all be pondering and praying.Pollynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-9686568352231822492016-09-09T12:18:33.293+12:002016-09-09T12:18:33.293+12:00Labour needs to take it's Standard commentors ...Labour needs to take it's Standard commentors ("the Voice of The Labour Movement") and put them in a recycle bin. The Party has too much baggage. It has become a failed experiment of political correctness.<br />......<br />One problem NZ First will have is a growing membership with different expectations as I see Dime on Kiwiblog is signing up. After all we all have different ideas about what is <i>New Zealand</i>.<br />Party's are shells and when a group take over (as in The Greens) they head in unexpected directions.jhnoreply@blogger.com