tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post7061572794203981467..comments2024-03-29T00:44:42.046+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Not Taking Green Principles As Red.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-74223609601020841502018-03-14T11:54:26.547+13:002018-03-14T11:54:26.547+13:00GS
I did know that if I had thought, but at t...GS<br /> I did know that if I had thought, but at this stage spelling is not going to come to me. My partner reckons it's because I remember words by the way they sound, while she remembers them from the way they look on the page.<br /> It might by like music. If you have noticed, people who learn to play without written music can always learn how it has been written. But people who learn formally on the piano to read and play accordingly seem unable to learn to play by ear so easily.<br /><br />Andrew N<br /> I completely agree with what Anderton did. But he opposed his parties' action for over a term in office before he made that move. I was at the NLP launch.<br />D J S<br /> David Stonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-51246091901036138012018-03-14T11:16:59.869+13:002018-03-14T11:16:59.869+13:00Kiwiwit
You are throwing theories at a problem of ...Kiwiwit<br />You are throwing theories at a problem of procedure and system. Theories are interesting, convoluted points of view with structure. But they are only ideas 'at the end of the day', like economics. And the problem with these powerful, mind-moving ideas is that those adopting them will move heaven and earth to make them seem to work. I'm going off topic here, but will put down what my mind is throwing up. It might be a useful thought,<br />and help to keep all Parties on lines that will produce their best work for the polity. <br /><br />What we want and need in the 21st century I think is, knowing and keeping the theories in mind - fully learned in depth, to start from basics with the question 'What is the problem?' followed by wish fulfilment solutions tossed in as a brainstorm. <br /><br />Then sit down and work out solutions based on present practice, which is then critiqued as to how satisfactory it has been in the past and current examples of disfunction and success. And then look at the brainstorm examples and critique them, picking out what is likely, and what will likely fail because human psychology or resource limitation has not been allowed for.<br /><br />How many groups making decisions would go through this process? I bet very few, because it would be expensive. But then it would save $millions through better choices, intelligent understanding of likely problems, reasonable time scales, if not accepting the lowest tenders!!greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-90902479599596536632018-03-14T07:47:30.516+13:002018-03-14T07:47:30.516+13:00“appropriate decision-making” as, in effect, decis...“appropriate decision-making” as, in effect, decision-making which is made appropriately.<br /><br />Why do I hear this in the voice of Nigel Hawthorne?J Bloggsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-21526951477875156072018-03-13T23:37:27.459+13:002018-03-13T23:37:27.459+13:00Haven't trusted the Greens for some time.
The...Haven't trusted the Greens for some time.<br /><br />They are based on alternative living not on socialist principles. They are too quite different things. <br /><br />Old Lenin would have called it petty-bourgeois radicalism.<br /><br />In a highly right-wing way Labour are still based on socialist principles. They still use, to some degree, a scientific and cohesive method. Even if they use that method to administer capitalism, albeit in a fairer way than the nats.<br /><br />Their origins are in the Second International after all (Only to a degree though... as their predecessors didn't drink the nationalist jingoist kool aid altogether in the first world war).manfredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05864320667710466331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-43508199659836708892018-03-13T20:17:35.826+13:002018-03-13T20:17:35.826+13:00Marama Davidson would not confirm that ecological ...Marama Davidson would not confirm that ecological wisdom is primary. I think that is silly as social justice cannot be achieved where (to use an example) the RC's ban contraception resulting in Filipino maids in Saudi Arabia, prostitutes (poverty).jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-18078141629412743352018-03-13T20:11:27.592+13:002018-03-13T20:11:27.592+13:00Someone said "words are like low resolution i...Someone said "words are like low resolution images". I thought that was a good analogy when I first heard it (now I'm not so sure?).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15607028751724602829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-76995529946836700882018-03-13T17:20:21.830+13:002018-03-13T17:20:21.830+13:00It is great to see the Greens haven't strayed ...It is great to see the Greens haven't strayed too far from the classical liberal roots of the liberal left. Your view of participatory democracy is (as you implicitly concede) more Marxist-Leninist than liberal - that submission to the Party trumps individual responsibility morality or judgement. Sure, the Greens' position is at odd with their unqualified support for MMP, but perhaps that means it is MMP that is at odds with their principles, not their position on waka-jumping.Kiwiwithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507667837257013301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-55601429286978187962018-03-13T13:07:07.650+13:002018-03-13T13:07:07.650+13:00Chris, a good and relevant piece.
These people of ...Chris, a good and relevant piece.<br />These people of the Greens should tarred and feathered.<br />The Green party is a political party of cowards.<br /> Pollynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-78816645731766722932018-03-13T12:14:36.331+13:002018-03-13T12:14:36.331+13:00David Stone
Anderton quit and won the byelection...David Stone <br /><br />Anderton quit and won the byelection.<br /><br />That's the right thing to do.<br /><br />Waka jumpers who stay on are undemocratic<br /><br />Andrew Nicholsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-65863217041527509432018-03-13T12:02:53.296+13:002018-03-13T12:02:53.296+13:00David. I agree wholeheartedly – but it's toein...David. I agree wholeheartedly – but it's toeing not towing. Sorry it's a bugbear of mine. Everyone used to know, but that spelling has been creeping in. It's from athletics, not ships or broken down cars.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-17123813288932691032018-03-13T11:54:22.103+13:002018-03-13T11:54:22.103+13:00How to help and not destroy democracy and give the...How to help and not destroy democracy and give the people the things that are good and what they want, and need. Let's have voting on the policies and then choose from a group of informed, skilled people who we have elected because of their skills, who may be part of some Party or Alliance in their general attitude. <br /><br />The proposed bills are agreed on and next step to draw them up and have three votes before they get put in place, one to draw criticisms of clauses, one to amend them and include or exclude certain provisions. and one to pass the final Bill. There would be a bunch of financial advisors who would state the cost, the effect short and long term, the alternatives and their cost. We would keep the Reserve Bank. The politicians would be drawn from their farms or businesses and have agreed to go to Wellington and serve for the required period when called on, for a holding fee plus reasonable emolument while serving - not $100 an hour. greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-15061246940329783412018-03-13T11:10:39.294+13:002018-03-13T11:10:39.294+13:00An interesting topic.
How much did collective...An interesting topic.<br /> How much did collective responsibility and towing the party line contribute to the ability of the 1984 labour government to implement the neoliberal agenda? I suspect it was critical. And how evil was Jim Anderton to oppose the party line in his vehement opposition to it? Problematic isn't it!<br /> Perversely ,it was that the existing the existing FPP system allowed this to happen against the wishes of most supporters of both major parties that provided the imputus for MMP to be adopted in the hope that it would restrain future administrations from comprehensive future changes against the wishes and the interests of the vast majority of the population. It has had the effect of greatly compromising societies' ability to reverse neoliberalism.<br /> However MMP is clearly a system with it's list component that provides representatives with their position in parliament overwhelmingly on the merits of the party as a whole rather than on the merits of that individual. So owing their right to vote on legislation to the party they lack the right to vote individually though in my mind not the right to express their own opinion before voting. If it matters a lot their moral responsibility would be to resign and allow the next list candidate to replace them.<br /> But where is the moral responsibility when the parties' present decision is at odds with their own stated position on which they were elected? Is there not as strong a moral justification for upholding a stated principle as for towing the party line? Your damned if you do and damned if you don't.<br /> I think political parties actually destroy democracy . There's not much democracy going on in the USA.<br />D J SDavid Stonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-40494197249884633732018-03-13T10:29:31.150+13:002018-03-13T10:29:31.150+13:00'Appropriate' is a word with a fuzzy meani...'Appropriate' is a word with a fuzzy meaning that can differ with the thoughts and belief of each person reading a statement. It enfeebles the apparent intention and strength of the Greens statements quoted above. It smacks of a lack of steel and determination to establish robust policies and that they can be weakened by someone's alternative viewpoint and watered down at any time. It's a word I use sometimes but too often it's a b......d word that results in weaselling out of looking directly at some issue. and probably pals up with another word that I hear too often which is 'consensus'. <br /><br />With 'appropriate' it can lead to the situation where someone finds a fault, pronounces dissatisfaction and that it makes the whole statement unsatisfactory, because it isn't PC or some other hindrance to naming a factor involved.greywarblernoreply@blogger.com