tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post7154928495544116020..comments2024-03-19T15:05:56.959+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Sean's Going To Need A Bigger Stake (To Destroy Winston Peters)Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-41911502371137918212011-12-02T07:27:50.652+13:002011-12-02T07:27:50.652+13:00Oh crap Chris. NZ First will never get in.
Superio...Oh crap Chris. NZ First will never get in.<br />Superior minds will knock them over.jhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-38465535539181920772011-01-26T21:23:51.812+13:002011-01-26T21:23:51.812+13:00If troughing, racism, cronyism, telling porkies an...If troughing, racism, cronyism, telling porkies and dishonesty were a disqualification for political candidature in NZ all of the Neo-Liberal right would be disqualified from Parliament and not a few of the others.KjThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13583435107822078614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-78942073575116179112011-01-21T10:42:56.476+13:002011-01-21T10:42:56.476+13:00The media's original mistake, now entrenched i...The media's original mistake, now entrenched in the way it approaches politics, has been to see itself as a PLAYER, instead of keeping to its proper role of reporter-observer-commentator. Heaven knows why this came about, but it did, and now, having "beaten" Winston once (mostly through circumstance rather than good judgement, it must be said) it now has a vested interest in preventing his return. Well, Sean and co, you had your Phyrric victory then: now you're about to become LOSERS, just like any other political party - and, also just like any other political party, you now have about the same credibilty. You have failed us all (Winston Peters included).WAKE UPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09136292620916207019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-19591340978331426382011-01-12T13:02:09.091+13:002011-01-12T13:02:09.091+13:00NZ First are an embarassment to the "Greens&q...NZ First are an embarassment to the "Greens" whose immigration policies are based on an "objective assessment of a sustainable popluation".... and "we aren't there yet" So while some question the rationale behind Aucklands predicted growth (which has John Banks rubbing his hands) the Greens have their knickers in a twist over people who claim (by birthright) a higher status and powers in decision making (as their ancesters where here earlier).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-45048159651510622492011-01-12T12:49:27.334+13:002011-01-12T12:49:27.334+13:00"Chris, WP has appeal to many on one point on..."Chris, WP has appeal to many on one point only--his forthrightness in fronting up to Maori troughing. As for the rest, I think your political olefactory sense has let you down."<br /><br />Quite a few practically headed Maori support Winston as they can see that flogging New Zealands property (and lifestyle) to foriegners is what we do these days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-41797002198585172942011-01-12T00:58:42.720+13:002011-01-12T00:58:42.720+13:00Chris Diack- your '153k unpaid' is a feed ...Chris Diack- your '153k unpaid' is a feed of arse. In this street there's at least 4 people I know who will vote for Peters. Bring it!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-33264903489530496402011-01-11T19:51:59.914+13:002011-01-11T19:51:59.914+13:00Gooner
It's a mistake to think that belt-tigh...Gooner<br /><br />It's a mistake to think that belt-tightening alone will get our economy out of its current malaise. <br /><br />Winston Peter's essentially Keynesian approach has much merit. Most of his economic policies should be adopted in their entirety by Labour.<br /><br /><br />Mick<br /><br />If the smell of deceit and corruption hangs around Peters, that may well tell us more about the power of our disgracefully biased media than about than about his actual activities whilst in office. He was certainly more sinned against than sinning during his last tenure, albeit that his characteristic truculence made him an easy target. <br /><br />A more telling criticism of Peters would address his cynical and potentially incendiary courting of a racism that he has probably never himself shared. That, plus his record of bringing down any government he's a part of, should make Labour wary of any deal. <br /><br /><br />Chris Diack<br /><br />O please! Not a return to class consciousness! That's even more limiting and self-defeating than identity politics!<br /><br />Labour has to start advocating counter-cyclical policies that will grow our real economy and ensure the results feed back into our society. <br /><br />Such policies will be in the interests of everybody,not just a working class that no longer defines itself as such. <br /><br />But these ideas will need some selling to a population brainwashed by thirty years of neo-liberal propaganda.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-66777157847587400712011-01-11T10:09:56.389+13:002011-01-11T10:09:56.389+13:00If a vote for him is one for Goff he is probably u...If a vote for him is one for Goff he is probably unlikely to get back.Chris Diacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-73889992228587604252011-01-10T17:27:08.696+13:002011-01-10T17:27:08.696+13:00Can’t workout out Mr Totters line of argument.
Th...Can’t workout out Mr Totters line of argument.<br /><br />The Greens are flayed for trying to move away from being watermelons. Such pragmatic centrist aspirations put them beyond the pale. How can you trust those who want to play both sides – they don’t deserve to be wooed.<br /><br />Labour’s got to adopt a clear unambiguous leftwing economic programme and get a mandate for that– it’s all about class no point in mining identity politics anymore it’s all played out.<br /><br />And now Labour’s electoral strategy (Trotter endorsed) is a return to whiskey and rettes government with Winston First. A irrational incoherent policy programme, a desire to be in play with both sides (which he won’t be of course as Key will rule him out).<br /><br />Oh and lets re-float the boat of the King of the most disgraceful form of identity poltics.<br /><br />Wow. That’s looking to the solutions for New Zealand’s future challenges.<br /><br />Of course as it happens this might just be the embrace of death for W1. If a vote for him is one for Goff he is probably likely to get back.<br /><br />As it happens Mr Trotter has it all wrong on the Privileges Committee to. For political reasons National decided to back off. They were also party to putting off the Serious Fraud Office (who offered to provide evidence) for their own reasons. As it turns out with National not making W1 a martyr and Labour streightjacketing him he was taken out by the voters.<br /><br />In the election Labour spent votes on him but they didn’t make the difference between govt and opposition. Labour in fact did our political system a service.<br /><br />Now it appears the strategy is to undo that work by talking up W1. And that’s and electoral strategy!<br /><br />As for independent adjudications which Mr Trotter seems so fond, we have one in the Auditor General’s report on W1’s use of Parliamentary funds. We don’t have a legal judgment because the law was changed to make a pending case before the Courts moot. The upshot is whether Mr Trotter likes it or not the umpire called it and said W1 owed the taxpayer 153k. Still unpaid.Chris Diacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-34672342968402847032011-01-10T10:43:52.298+13:002011-01-10T10:43:52.298+13:00Chris, WP has appeal to many on one point only--hi...Chris, WP has appeal to many on one point only--his forthrightness in fronting up to Maori troughing. As for the rest, I think your political olefactory sense has let you down.<br /><br />The man smells of deceit and corruption. He is counting on the political amnesia of NZ. I am counting on the fact there are better men and women than him to play a part in governing this country.<br /><br />MickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-30558648490203845892011-01-09T21:40:27.406+13:002011-01-09T21:40:27.406+13:00Previous commentator thinks Peters is great becaus...Previous commentator thinks Peters is great because he offers things for free. Anyone can do that, and it is not a sign of "greatness". It's a sure sign of a charlatan.Goonerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069972950033952946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-82276002405901260102011-01-09T12:25:02.889+13:002011-01-09T12:25:02.889+13:00An excellent piece, Chris, although I think that y...An excellent piece, Chris, although I think that your final paragraph is a bit too optimistic.<br /><br />Between 5% and 8% for NZ First would certainly change the political landscape but might not,in itself, be sufficient to get National out of power.<br /><br />I also think that Winston's own ability to shoot himself in the foot shouldn't be discounted.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-38174200242473460502011-01-09T10:21:46.453+13:002011-01-09T10:21:46.453+13:00Winnie and NZ First will certainly get my vote. S...Winnie and NZ First will certainly get my vote. Stuff National, will never, ever vote National again. JK is selling us out with this S/F Bill<br />We need Winnie to keep the rest of the 'mollyhawks' honest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-79296053477126965232011-01-09T00:25:17.262+13:002011-01-09T00:25:17.262+13:00Peters has a large level of support amongst people...Peters has a large level of support amongst people I know. Free GP visits for under 6's, support for racing industry & gold-card are tangible things that ordinary NZers remember. Corporate media and wing nuts hate this guy because he commands respect. He would rip jonkey to shreds in a live debate and you are dead right Chris, NZ First are a big show to bring down NACT. Can't wait!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-76533835612249319082011-01-08T07:39:18.114+13:002011-01-08T07:39:18.114+13:00Winnie will be a brave man if he stands. The heckl...Winnie will be a brave man if he stands. The heckling he is going to get will make John Minto and Sue Bradford look like amateurs.<br />This man will be embarrassed and exposed as the venal and hypocritical little p***k that he is.<br />Cant wait.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-20070914046624175532011-01-08T00:13:58.557+13:002011-01-08T00:13:58.557+13:00Oh NACT most certainly do understand it Chris: and...Oh NACT most certainly do understand it Chris: and you can be sure that their sophisticated polling also tells them that in these anomie times an appetite for charisma, familiarity and a history of fearless challenge to Big Money is growing exponentially.<br /><br />You can also be quite assured that even more resources will have already been allocated to Project Winniebang II. Press fellatio of Orewa I and Espiner and Garner on the piss with Key gave us glimpses of previous campaigns; and<br />Joyce/Limbaugh's subterranean manipulation screams again from this tawdry Plunket handjob.<br /><br />Expect plenty more from now till November from various, similar, strategically-positioned <em>ingenues</em> and whores.<br /> <br />Onya bud. Kia kaha and keep on top of them (so to speak!)<br />akAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-70133329494576322772011-01-07T23:31:30.732+13:002011-01-07T23:31:30.732+13:00You are spot-on Chris, my thoughts exactly! By ref...You are spot-on Chris, my thoughts exactly! By refusing to challenge the powers-that-be or to ask the hard questions on behalf of ordinary people, today's news media are complicit in helping to champion this nasty, elitist government.<br /><br />I find it very telling that the concept of balanced news articles outlining the views of both the government and the Opposition (as opposed to extremists) no longer exists. These days I am trying to read Hansard online to get my information straight from the horse's mouth. I really hope the standard of journalism improves prior to the next election, but I expect the current breed of journalists won't 'allow' National's election hopes to be challenged in any meaningful way.<br /><br />After years of voting for Labour under FPP, then with the arrival of MMP voting for Alliance, and then Jim Anderton's Progressive Party, I'm now transferring my party vote and my hopes for the future to New Zealand First.<br /><br />This serves three purposes:<br /><br />1. It will ensure that the future govt probably has to go into coalition with NZ First, which has some very sound policies on healthcare, education and the economy when you examine them in detail, and they are very upfront about what they plan to do, unlike National or Labour. See http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/policies2.html<br /><br />2. NZ First will block further F&S-style legislation being introduced against the will and against the interests of the majority (particularly Pakeha, new immigrants and urban working-class Maori)<br /><br />3. It will seriously piss off National and the Maori Party, and most of the journalists in this country, if Winston Peters is 'ressurected' into Parliament, which couldn't please me more! Anyway, what's the worst that could happen if Winston gets back in? Seriously? Why is everyone getting so worked up about this?<br /><br />Winston Peters may be an opportunist, but I admire him greatly as a masterful orator, a tough negotiator, an outspoken and hardworking politician, a socially-minded leader who opposes neo-liberal economic policies that hurt ordinary Kiwis, a Maori who dares to question the Waitangi gravy train, and a true friend of everyone's grandma!<br /><br />I think National and the journos are just shit-scared of him! Go Winston!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com