tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post7454532095118507912..comments2024-03-29T03:41:12.499+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Missing.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-55788803472057697242018-10-24T13:10:55.205+13:002018-10-24T13:10:55.205+13:00It's funny isn't it, they were so sure tha...It's funny isn't it, they were so sure that it was either Mallard or some "left-wing bureaucrat" in his office who had leaked the original travel expenses. And it turns out to be somebody in their own caucus. Well, excuse my schadenfreude.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-53443126740891733332018-10-24T11:57:29.620+13:002018-10-24T11:57:29.620+13:00To: Wayne Mapp.
I haven't suggested anything,...To: Wayne Mapp.<br /><br />I haven't suggested anything, Wayne. <br /><br />All I've done is offer an interesting historical reference and ask the sort of basic questions the nation's journalists should have asked and answered - or, at least, tried to answer - from the get-go.<br /><br />It is interesting, however, to see you trot out the conspiracy theory claim. It's what right-wing politicians trepidatious about the truth emerging from a dark set of circumstances always rely on as a means of distraction. <br /><br />The use of the term is also intended to suggest that the offending party is, well, a bit mad - oh, wait a minute, isn't this where we came in?Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-103928568249326552018-10-24T10:07:02.094+13:002018-10-24T10:07:02.094+13:00Is that what Chris is saying Anonymouse? Isn'...Is that what Chris is saying Anonymouse? Isn't his main message about transparency so that we can see that proper legal channels have been followed? It's not really about whether Ross has been a good, loyal boy.<br />That's a different point at issue.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-43693478033739803552018-10-24T04:36:23.375+13:002018-10-24T04:36:23.375+13:00I don't think JL Ross has broken any laws?! He...I don't think JL Ross has broken any laws?! He's exercising his rights. I hope he's okay. It just seems suspicious that he's ousted from his National Party in such display and fanfare. Nek minit he's detained in an asylum?! Espionage?! Trevor Mallard duck is on the case, one hopes. I'm watching. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245931253126582386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-26818948869043240402018-10-23T23:02:25.758+13:002018-10-23T23:02:25.758+13:00Jami-Lee Ross has been silenced. It appears that ...Jami-Lee Ross has been silenced. It appears that he is now detained at the pleasure of the New Zealand state, and that a few mental health professionals have been complicit in his detention. <br />That is not all all surprising. The state has recourse to a selection of all kinds of professionals, including journalists, judges, and medical practitioners who will do its unlawful bidding when it claims that the security of the state is threatened. <br />The category of "mental health professionals" in New Zealand covers the full range of political opinions, including the frankly fascist. It is nonsense to pretend otherwise.<br />A state that targets its own citizens for assassination will not scruple to lock up a dissident and "embarrassing" politician on the pretense of caring for his mental health. It has become clear that Ross did not admit himself to a mental health facility. He was seized and is being held incommunicado by the New Zealand state authorities. It is that simple.Geoff Fischerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00509885628971898371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-2868893023677090742018-10-23T22:04:32.306+13:002018-10-23T22:04:32.306+13:00Good article Chris.
Weirdly his name is Jami-Lee,...Good article Chris.<br /><br />Weirdly his name is Jami-Lee, not the expected spelling... you might want to correct that.<br /><br />Best,<br />RichardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-77060730826233992352018-10-23T21:35:35.605+13:002018-10-23T21:35:35.605+13:00Chris
Is this intended to be a serious post? I can...Chris<br />Is this intended to be a serious post? I cannot conceive that the NZ Medical system can be influenced in the way you suggest. <br />I know that conspiracy theories have a certain appeal, but I never thought you seriously indulged in them.Wayne Mapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12906396523791648270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-57269032480446002292018-10-23T20:46:06.775+13:002018-10-23T20:46:06.775+13:00Interesting and timely Chris.
You may want to cor...Interesting and timely Chris.<br /><br />You may want to correct spelling of JLR's name - it's weirdly spelt Jami-Lee.<br /><br />RWAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14283707400139457902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-35429316708911715032018-10-23T19:13:44.512+13:002018-10-23T19:13:44.512+13:00The big question is should a party as rotten to th...The big question is should a party as rotten to the core as National be the recipient of taxpayer funding. Time for a clean out.Katnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-6668137557778410902018-10-23T14:13:04.889+13:002018-10-23T14:13:04.889+13:00Chris, JLR scabbed on his party, his leader and hi...Chris, JLR scabbed on his party, his leader and his wife.<br />He was found out and is now paying the penalty.<br />I have compassion but he should not be in Parliament getting taxpayers remuneration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-64335698117488754952018-10-23T14:05:53.776+13:002018-10-23T14:05:53.776+13:00I agree with Patrica the New Zealand mental health...I agree with Patrica the New Zealand mental health system has always seemed tome to reflective of values and judgements a hundred years out of date and if you did not conform the usual expected career path of finding a wife or husband and a good job and settled down to a respectable role in the community, you were by definition in the view of psychiatrists and the community, you were mentally ill and a criminal. My father never regarded himself as a New Zealander even though born in Brighton he probably lived most of his life in New Zealand. He always said I am English not a New Zealander. In many ways he was very much a New Zealander,( if in many ways a product of 1930s Australia, wartime and late 1940s UK and US) as Sandra Coneys said most of the professionals who fought in WW2 and then came back to be Accountants lawyers, or secondary teachers were not very different from Rob Muldoon, Fred Allen or Sandra Coney or David McPhail's father they all were pretty much like Muldoon or Sandar Coney, intelligent like Muldoon in IQ terms, but basically holding to the values and limits of the ordinary kiwi ( they said they same about Margaret Thatcher- yes she was intelligent, very mcuh in academic terms, but really she was just an ordinary person, not intelligent at all in the terms of and believers they could revenge the 49 tour by coaching the All Blacks in 1980 or 1970 victory and that was pretty much all they were.<br />So i broad terms those who started secondary school betweem 1946 and 1970 were victims of that generation and the fundamental human liberation beyond Mulddons decision to stop the restrcitive clothing imposed by the ridiculous 1640 clothes regime imposed if the Nelson Cotton Mill and the 1967 liberation of the changes which allowed Playboy, penthouse, 10 ocklock closing and in 1978 the Massage Parlour Bill which defacto legislated prostituttion was the 1984 Labour Government decision to open the bars 24 horus allowing drinking and effectively the basic human right to go out and drink alone and the attempt to finally close down the bastardry of the New Zealands mental health system which at base was nothing more than a different application of the Vagrancy Act. Those like Colin Craig who support those measures or those like some minor NZ First members who support providing pointless uneconomic work like tree felling, government railway workshops, etc really should be stripped of their vote and legal rights as those who support a feudal society are not New Zealanders and neither are the fundamentalists or gloryville supporters, frankly if you support that sort of low rent SA Nazi garbage you do not deserve any rights anc should be opposed with all the power of the state.<br />Jamie Lee Ross to me marks him as low class person who should not be in the National Party or a member of parliament. If you are Simon Bridges you have a respectable name and are qualified. And if you are me Robert Frederick Fancourt Miles you are definition qualified to be the Conservative prime Minsiter of Britain; the Liberal Party Pm of Australia or the US War Secretary. If you are actually middle class or a genuine military officer you do not do most types of working class work. If your a genuine ofocier or actor you go not do menial work or be a waiter. An electrician, or car mechanic are moderately resepctable. Farm workers too low to vote <br /> Rob Milesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-9178010881085384462018-10-23T13:56:59.562+13:002018-10-23T13:56:59.562+13:00Speaking as someone who has worked within our heal...Speaking as someone who has worked within our health system, albeit only briefly in the mental health sector, I'm pretty sure that there is no way, given the current shortfall in crisis mental health facilities, that JLR would have be admitted if he wasn't mentally disordered. <br /><br />We already have the situation where people who need emergency mental health care are discharged as soon as possible to make room for incoming crisis patients, so the bar for getting admitted into one of those beds is pretty high. And quite frankly, the National party, particularly as an opposition party but even if it was the government, doesn't have the sort of clout it would require to make it happen if JLR isn't unwell. <br /><br />While the politically motivated shenanigans makes for good conspiracy theory speculative discussions, the people who work on the mental health front line won't give a stuff - there aren't enough crisis beds as it is to waste one on a politically motivated silencing of someone who is not mentally disordered.<br /><br />As for the comparison to the Soviet Union - as far as I'm aware, NZ has yet to define opposition to the government as a mental disorder the way the Soviet communist party did, which is what formed the underpinning of that practice, so while making for an interesting digression, it has very little relevance to the circumstances under which the NZ system operates, and in fact does a disservice to the hard working staff of the NZ health system.<br /><br />Quite frankly, I would have expected better from you, Chris.<br /><br />PS - Do you really believe anything Cameron Slater has to say on matters that he has his grubby fingers in, particularly when it is to his benefit?<br /><br />Patricia: The days when the mental health system had the capacity to absorb unnecessary admissions is now well and truly past - and has been for over 20 years. We don't have enough capacity for those who do need help, let alone those that don't<br /><br />J Bloggsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-16971595250887771002018-10-23T13:13:34.868+13:002018-10-23T13:13:34.868+13:00I've found him Chris
https://www.youtube.com/w...I've found him Chris<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDkcMN30Z98John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-22251923724805740832018-10-23T12:55:50.739+13:002018-10-23T12:55:50.739+13:00"Guerilla Surgeon wrote: "I'd love t..."Guerilla Surgeon wrote: "I'd love to see (National) in complete disarray".<br />I do not. I would prefer to see the members of the National Party principled and united. "<br /><br />Then we will have to agree to disagree. Because while I am pretty sure I've seen the National party united for most of its life, I have yet to see it principled. Unless you count selfishness as a principal. And I rather they were fighting among themselves than trying to sabotage whatever wishy-washy attempts labour are making to spread the wealth and power.Guerilla Surgeonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-34326995277644151482018-10-23T11:50:17.910+13:002018-10-23T11:50:17.910+13:00I agree Chris. Many years ago it was not uncommon...I agree Chris. Many years ago it was not uncommon for complaining wives and sexually active young women to find themselves in mental hospitals and so it is not impossible for political dissidents could find themselves in the same place.Patriciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01509686441858091630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-57643498407319469812018-10-23T11:26:52.521+13:002018-10-23T11:26:52.521+13:00A very good question?A very good question?peteswriteplacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474922953916383101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-21606700703748538572018-10-23T11:24:19.443+13:002018-10-23T11:24:19.443+13:00'All's fair in love and war.''All's fair in love and war.'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com