tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post7601439643787371131..comments2024-03-29T17:12:19.648+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Government By (Some) Of The People.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-49039328281038339402014-12-11T22:34:49.701+13:002014-12-11T22:34:49.701+13:00Jamie, at Bowalley Road we take people at their wo...Jamie, at Bowalley Road we take people at their word.<br /><br />You say you're an ex-soldier and we believe you.<br /><br />Demanding Davo supply his military details comes very close to calling him a liar.<br /><br />I can't help thinking that a real soldier would have a much firmer grasp of the concepts of honourable and dishonourable conduct.Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-26061701223250158542014-12-11T20:18:48.322+13:002014-12-11T20:18:48.322+13:00Oh yeah
I'm still waiting for you to ask your...Oh yeah<br /><br />I'm still waiting for you to ask your crim mates what they think should be done with paedos...<br /><br />"I still do some work with PARS as a volunteer. I do budgeting and literacy advice for crims who have been canned up for some years. Our main focus is to get the crims back into society and to stop re-offending where we can"<br />Davo<br /><br />http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2014/11/phillip-smithtraynor-triumph-of-expert.html<br /><br />Not holding my breath on that either...Jamienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-36947040465038669512014-12-11T20:07:52.892+13:002014-12-11T20:07:52.892+13:00"I am a Vietnam Vet who was getting bombed, b..."I am a Vietnam Vet who was getting bombed, blasted, shot at and covered in poisonous chemicals before you were born mate. So don't ever forget that" Davo<br /><br />Jamie laughs...<br /><br />You do know impersonating a Combat Vietnam Veteran is a pretty serious offence. Rank, service number, unit, deployment dates, where did you serve, medals ect...<br /><br />"For your bloody information I have a copy of the original US Constitution here in front of me right now and what I wrote before is precisely what it says" Davo<br /><br />Well nut up or shut up and take a photo of it and post it!!!<br /><br />I'm still waiting for a single link...<br /><br />I'm not holding my breath...Jamienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-48835604604247361682014-12-10T22:28:43.554+13:002014-12-10T22:28:43.554+13:00GS
I don't disagree with you.
It's possi...GS<br /><br />I don't disagree with you.<br /><br />It's possibly a matter of taking the basic approach that New Zealand has to government and reinforcing it with a few entrenched( but ultimately changeable rules)that encapsulate our best practice. <br /><br />I also think that discussions about constitutions shouldn't necessarily be based on what the Americans do. There are lots of other countries that have one and don't get into the sort of mess that the US seems to be in. <br /><br />But, of course, this whole discussion begs certain huge questions ( e.g. the status of the Treaty, the monarchy etc), which would need to be firmly defined and tied down in any constitutional settlement. So I'm not holding my breath.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-61717915203940293682014-12-10T21:54:50.619+13:002014-12-10T21:54:50.619+13:00Contact the Smithsonian Jamie. They will send you ...Contact the Smithsonian Jamie. They will send you a certified copy of the original document as it was drawn up by the US Congress. It will cost you, no idea how much now, I got mine a few years ago.<br /><br />Try to make meaningful comments and no ad hominems and people will listen to what you have to say. Make the comments in your own words not endless copy and pasting links to rightwing sites.<br /><br />I am a Vietnam Vet who was getting bombed, blasted, shot at and covered in poisonous chemicals before you were born mate. So don't ever forget that.Davo Stevensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-66765340105127823642014-12-10T14:18:07.629+13:002014-12-10T14:18:07.629+13:00The Supreme Court has also decided that even thoug...The Supreme Court has also decided that even though you have the right to keep arms, the state has the right to regulate this. I'm not quite sure how that works out in practice, but it seems to work in principle :-).Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-91522940558573998842014-12-10T13:02:03.745+13:002014-12-10T13:02:03.745+13:00Not calling you a liar Davo but I'm struggling...Not calling you a liar Davo but I'm struggling to find which original US Constitution you are referring to???<br /><br />Could you please send through a link because all I can find is the one reported by Mr Samuel Adams...<br /><br />"Earlier proposals and drafts of the Amendment[edit]<br />And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms"<br /><br />***Source***<br /><br />http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_ConstitutionJamienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-63855868189072381542014-12-10T12:16:12.945+13:002014-12-10T12:16:12.945+13:00Victor, Constitution or not, I think personally th...Victor, Constitution or not, I think personally that we are better governed than the U.S. The Constitution is great in theory but doesn't actually protect people a great deal in practice. Although I must say the free speech thing probably works better than most. But it seems to me each party concentrates on those aspects of the Constitution that best suited and ignores the rest. The right for instance loves the Second Amendment, but is less keen on the first. I do think a written constitution might make us better governed than the U.S., but only because we are better governed in the first place. If that makes sense.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-14022168622919808032014-12-10T01:11:16.111+13:002014-12-10T01:11:16.111+13:00@Jamie. Surgeon put it succinctly but I will add: ...@Jamie. Surgeon put it succinctly but I will add: Go back to your playpen and leave the discussions here for we adults.<br /><br />For your bloody information I have a copy of the original US Constitution here in front of me right now and what I wrote before is precisely what it says.<br /><br />Lay off the ad hominems they do your argument no favours.Davo Stevensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-31359036581920403652014-12-09T17:47:47.850+13:002014-12-09T17:47:47.850+13:00Ahoi Victor, yep your're right we and the UK a...Ahoi Victor, yep your're right we and the UK are the only two without a "cast in stone" constitution. The 'Bill of Rights Act' was supposed to fill that gap. It has been of questionable value in doing so.Davo Stevensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-31834686728318274782014-12-09T14:35:06.147+13:002014-12-09T14:35:06.147+13:00Fuck me and you've got the nerve to criticise ...Fuck me and you've got the nerve to criticise somebody for making a strawman argument I notice. And yet you claim that I'm sticking up for the Gestapo. In fact all I was saying was you made one of your bullshit blanket statements that means absolutely nothing. Proving that you know nothing about the Gestapo for a start. Apart from what you might read on Wikipedia may be but even that I doubt. Let's put it this way child, if you make one of those blanket statements like the Gestapo were all cowards, all I have to do is find one who wasn't and you are wrong. Guarantee I could easily do that. Fuck you know nothing.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-67932022697646471742014-12-09T14:28:33.472+13:002014-12-09T14:28:33.472+13:00A know it all eh Jamie. On the other hand you seem...A know it all eh Jamie. On the other hand you seem proud of your lack of knowledge and commitment to bullshit websites. Perhaps you should try doing a bit more growing up before you contribute much more to this site.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-18361264622804484002014-12-09T13:03:34.609+13:002014-12-09T13:03:34.609+13:00Davo
"We have a sort-of Constitution here ca...Davo<br /><br />"We have a sort-of Constitution here called the "Bill of Rights". Like any Parliamentary Legislation it can be modified at any time."<br /><br />The point about our Bill of Rights is that it is not entrenched. No more effort is required to change it than is required to change any other legislative provision, however trivial.<br /><br />To the best of my knowledge we are one of only two developed nations without entrenched legislation around our civil rights, the other being the UK.<br /><br />I would submit to you that neither nation is amongst the best governed at this moment, that neither has a particularly good recent record with respect to the liberties of the subject and that the lack of entrenched rights may be a factor in this.<br /><br />Jamie<br /><br />You are just a "troll" and not really worthy of a response.<br /><br />But I would ask you to reflect on the relative sizes of the Jewish and Roma communities in pre-war Europe, as compared to those of other ethnicities, many of which were deeply antagonistic to both Jews and Roma and, in many places, not unsympathetic to the Nazis.<br /><br />In your fact free universe, something like the second amendment to the US Constitution might have placed arms in the hands of Jews and Roma but would also presumably have placed them into the hands of their far more numerous enemies. And so the Holocaust would merely have taken a slightly different shape but would have been just as terrible. <br /><br />I should perhaps point out that I lost many family members in the Holocaust (including some who probably knew how to strip down a Sten Gun) and rather resent your utilisation of their fate to argue for utter nonsense.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-56081234039441208002014-12-09T10:32:04.326+13:002014-12-09T10:32:04.326+13:00Oh look Davo 'the champion of paedos rights...Oh look Davo 'the champion of paedos rights' Stevens came crawling back...<br /><br />Did you get round to asking your crim mates what they think should be done with paedos???<br /><br />http://r1016132.wordpress.com/2014/11/30/give-em-to-the-gangstas/<br /><br />Moving on...<br /><br />Where did I say people should be able to roll round the mall with a sub-machinegun???<br /><br />Or go wandering around tooled up like Rambo???<br /><br />Can you say straw-man...<br /><br />"The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution protects the right of individuals[1][2] to keep and bear arms.[3][4][5][6] The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that the right vests in individuals, not merely collective militias"<br /><br />***Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution<br /><br />Don't waste my time boiJamienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-13381178408434091232014-12-09T09:13:53.273+13:002014-12-09T09:13:53.273+13:00The US Constitution Second Amendment states: that ...The US Constitution Second Amendment states: that citizens have the right to bear arms in fully organised militia. Not the right to carry a loaded sub-machinegun around a Mall! <br /><br />It's purpose was to protect the settlers from a wayward Govt. and unruly natives. Not to wander around looking and acting like "Rambo"!<br /><br />We have a sort-of Constitution here called the "Bill of Rights". Like any Parliamentary Leglislation it can be modified at any time.Davo Stevensnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-30819016198598565252014-12-09T07:28:29.704+13:002014-12-09T07:28:29.704+13:00"Blah blah blah" Guerilla Surgeon
Then ..."Blah blah blah" Guerilla Surgeon<br /><br />Then goes on to...<br /><br />Stick up for the goons in the gesapo.<br /><br />{Shakes his head}<br /><br />You're a know-all-stoogeJamienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-4505375282129240262014-12-08T15:56:31.109+13:002014-12-08T15:56:31.109+13:00"blah blah blah" GS"blah blah blah" GSJamienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-71441870870383494972014-12-08T13:28:36.172+13:002014-12-08T13:28:36.172+13:00The Second Amendment is pure bullshit Jamie sorry....The Second Amendment is pure bullshit Jamie sorry. As a defence against tyranny it's a purist crap. Considering tyrants have no great problem expending lives in order to get what they want, and considering armies have far more and better weapons than your average man in the street – even in the U.S. And I think it's a bit much to blanket condemn the Gestapo as cowards – though we might condemn them for other things. We don't actually know the state of their courage. And the Gestapo probably wasn't always used anyway, except as organisers. They destroyed the Warsaw ghetto without them, and rounded up most of the French Jews without them also. Sorry Jamie too many generalisations and assumptions :-).Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-20298789732176047822014-12-07T22:05:44.368+13:002014-12-07T22:05:44.368+13:00"Of course there needs to be a method of amen..."Of course there needs to be a method of amending a constitution. Just so long as it involves something more than a simple parliamentary majority, otherwise there's no point having it." Victor<br /><br />Agreed. The wolves don't get to vote to eat the sheep!!!<br /><br />And the bludgers don't get to vote to tax to death the productive!!!<br /><br />"Just how many guns do you think the Jews and Roma would have required to avoid the holocaust?" Victor<br /><br />Not many in my opinion, maybe one per household would of been enough...<br /><br />And the will-power and training in how to use them effectively...<br /><br />Gesatpo-types are cowards (that's why they were in the gestapo and not in the armed forces) and would of been too scared to come through the door if they knew they were gonna get shot!!!<br /><br />Could say the same about crims too...Jamienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-59738395483824347822014-12-07T13:02:06.199+13:002014-12-07T13:02:06.199+13:00GS
Of course there needs to be a method of amendi...GS<br /><br />Of course there needs to be a method of amending a constitution. Just so long as it involves something more than a simple parliamentary majority, otherwise there's no point having it.<br /><br />Another important point is to avoid deifying the constitution as the US has done, thus making any proposal for change the equivalent of licence to corrupt the morals of your grandmother.<br /><br />Jamie<br /><br />Just how many guns do you think the Jews and Roma would have required to avoid the holocaust?Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-56637904051071621732014-12-06T16:12:40.460+13:002014-12-06T16:12:40.460+13:00Muzzle loading muskets just ain't gonna cut it...Muzzle loading muskets just ain't gonna cut it in this day and age afraid to say...Jamienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-14958173018274574972014-12-06T16:11:27.405+13:002014-12-06T16:11:27.405+13:00The second amendment is a bar against tyranny G.S....The second amendment is a bar against tyranny G.S. <br /><br />Imagine if when the Nazi's came for the Jews, or the Gypsies they all had guns ready for the Gestapo...<br /><br />Would of made putting them in camps a lot harder no???Jamienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-67392486171302049582014-12-05T16:34:44.142+13:002014-12-05T16:34:44.142+13:00The written constitution would be okay, but we nee...The written constitution would be okay, but we need to think very carefully about what goes into it – that's a no-brainer – but also about how to change it when it becomes out of date. The prime example of this would be the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, given when the arms were muzzle loading muskets.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-26342334945940356572014-12-05T13:02:37.414+13:002014-12-05T13:02:37.414+13:00Excellent article, Chris
I suspect you won't ...Excellent article, Chris<br /><br />I suspect you won't agree with me but one of the many morals I draw from this piece is the need for a written constitution. <br /><br />As the US example amply demonstrates, it won't cure every abuse. But it would provide a firmer benchmark than we have at present.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-50160585545782958732014-12-05T11:15:34.342+13:002014-12-05T11:15:34.342+13:00It is somewhat disturbing that I am reminded of th...It is somewhat disturbing that I am reminded of the Muldoon years by this article. Despite what I saw as his tyrannical approach Muldoon was by comparison to todays politicians extremely respectful of the spirit (and organs)of democracy. By comparison I only see contempt for this spirit in Key and the rest of the rabble he "leads". For example did Collins not get that as Minister of Justice she had to be seen to be purer than Caesars wife? Who though really cared?<br /><br />Most concerning is this lack of discourse as our citizens placidly accept that political power grows from the bank vault, not the gun barrel. Bought up and paid for, body and soul our spirit no longer transfers to our institutions. RIP the spirit (and practice) of NZ democracy.Nicknoreply@blogger.com