tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post7819143298619380499..comments2024-03-29T03:41:12.499+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: Is The Prime Minister “Evil”?Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-53925259224979142662023-01-28T22:44:43.026+13:002023-01-28T22:44:43.026+13:00Brendan McNeil didn't take the vax but did men...Brendan McNeil didn't take the vax but did mention rationality in his comment. Oh, that's good fun. GS coming in to wish him 'good luck' was the cream on the pie. Only good luck saved the anti-rationalist.<br /><br />That we have to address these fools is the freemarket's fruits. Know-nothing Fascism is there only way of continued control for a slight bit more in time. We offer the possibility of a future. sumsuchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03133092096534660472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-42077779737682780262023-01-23T10:41:26.793+13:002023-01-23T10:41:26.793+13:00To: John Hurley.
Thank you so much, John. Your li...To: John Hurley.<br /><br />Thank you so much, John. Your link does, indeed, lead to the story I referred to on-air this morning (23/1/23). It is extremely helpful to finally have the reference.Chris Trotterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-44320038782892556802023-01-23T08:44:33.079+13:002023-01-23T08:44:33.079+13:00Chris Trotter
Is this what you were talking about...Chris Trotter<br /><br />Is this what you were talking about: the Maori troops in Capetown?<br />[3:50]<br />Calling New Zealand, Brigadier Hargest. 1944-03-24 ; News Roundup. 1944-03-27.<br />https://www.ngataonga.org.nz/collections/catalogue/catalogue-item?record_id=165537John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-62427851732188021552023-01-22T09:56:15.341+13:002023-01-22T09:56:15.341+13:00Yes GS, you probably did get confused. I've ha...Yes GS, you probably did get confused. I've had two shots of the covid vaccine. I regret it now and had some serious doubts at the time but there were other factors not of my choosing. David Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883628159193125307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-89931587197839905922023-01-20T15:33:03.632+13:002023-01-20T15:33:03.632+13:00Well I've just read it Mark, and I think you&#...Well I've just read it Mark, and I think you're spot on.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-21020971944013161652023-01-20T08:02:04.353+13:002023-01-20T08:02:04.353+13:00I've come to this too late whereby I doubt the...I've come to this too late whereby I doubt the people who have disagreed with Chris and have indeed proclaimed Ardern is evil, will read this.<br />But anyway, on the the continuum of evilness, where does she sit when compared to Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot who systematically murdered millions of their own people? Adolf Hitler? <br />I have zero respect for people who indulge in hyperbole and exaggeration, thinking that by doing so their outrage increases their validity. This immature way of thinking and expression is now entrenched, ubiquitous and exemplifies people's inability to proffer rational arguments.Mark Simpsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-53987444622386536152023-01-19T23:01:41.270+13:002023-01-19T23:01:41.270+13:00Responding to your 'below-photo'. Yeah.
W...Responding to your 'below-photo'. Yeah.<br /><br />Why I entered Labour briefly and voted for Little agin her man.<br /><br />Her screwy-up face on the news he lost.<br /><br />Short-term Labour. <br /><br />sumsuchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03133092096534660472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-11880978872904076572023-01-19T15:20:28.450+13:002023-01-19T15:20:28.450+13:00Chris if you had bothered to read my post above yo...Chris if you had bothered to read my post above you would have noticed that I did mention Margaret Thatcher. Which rather makes a nonsense of your last statement.<br /><br />I apologise Brendan I seem to have confused you with David George at some stage. If you are unvaccinated good luck – but at least it shows the courage of your convictions.<br /><br />Jesus Christ Trev – what you mean vile? That's a disgusting epithet to use on someone who is essentially – I think – a personally decent woman. Vile is something I wouldn't even use about Margaret Thatcher, who cancelled school milk for poor kids. (Well, actually I might. But I'd be right to do so, because it was a vile act.)<br /><br />What a statement though right? Adds nothing to the discussion just an epithet. No thought behind it, no explanation. How would you like it if I just came on here and said "Trev – fuckwit." You'd be offended and quite rightly so. <br />You'd at least think I should provide some sort of explanation as to why I think you're one wouldn't you? Some sort of carefully considered and reasoned exposition. Statements like that just – I'm sorry – lower the tone, such as it is. :)Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-79520956941183025922023-01-19T11:44:31.856+13:002023-01-19T11:44:31.856+13:00All those who offer themselves as secular ‘saints’...All those who offer themselves as secular ‘saints’ risk an overreaction from those who find that they fail to live up to their image. Perhaps less inappropriate grinning in the face of policy failures and damaged people, and more straightforward engagement over the issues would assist this PM at the present time. She may find inspiration in Kirk’s handling of the press many years ago: calm and thoughtful engagement.<br />Warren Pykenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-21018847549994107662023-01-18T21:32:48.901+13:002023-01-18T21:32:48.901+13:00Being more than a bit very selective memory about ...Being more than a bit very selective memory about treatment of woman leaders aren't you GS. How did the opponents treat Margaret Thatcher or Jenny Shipley? That was the precedent. Or is it different when the left do it? Chris Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10557217407223228656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-49159725104522199812023-01-18T19:51:18.209+13:002023-01-18T19:51:18.209+13:00I wouldn't say " evil" because that ...I wouldn't say " evil" because that requires some imagination on her part. How about "vile"?<br />Trev1https://www.blogger.com/profile/00271717267778957672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-363963592044786412023-01-18T18:31:27.705+13:002023-01-18T18:31:27.705+13:00Helen Clark as mentor and little union voice to ba...Helen Clark as mentor and little union voice to balance - PM Jacinda seems to have found the primrose path - wisdom; 'If it ain't broke don't fix it; if it is broke appoint a committee to get facts, appear to fix something to show that 'this is an active government'. Be seen looking thoughtful among the peeps.greywarblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-41956269097114972352023-01-18T16:12:27.243+13:002023-01-18T16:12:27.243+13:00The Prime Minister of a Country has the responsibi...The Prime Minister of a Country has the responsibility of protecting their citizens from foreign or other threats and invasions. The Covid virus was an invisible enemy that challenged science around the world. Jacinda is the only leader in the world that protected her citizens. <br /><br />Right wing fools like Boris, Trump, FOMO, Bolsanaro, and others thought they could ignore science and carry on as usual. They suffered millions of unnecessary deaths. The Tory/Act parties here didn't believe in science and thank god they were not in Govt as they would have had Aotearoa in the same predicament - based on the UK and USA, there would have been about 15 to 20,000 Covid deaths in NZ, as it was, there were only about 50.<br /><br />I tick 3 boxes - over 70, Maori and immunocompromised. So thank you Jacinda, Ashley and the Labour party for ignoring the right wing Tory fools and conspirators and saving my life. Can I suggest that the many grumpy old men (like me) I hear on talkback ZB and read in the herald who have a hatred for Jacinda, REJOICE and appreciate this great country of Aotearoa.. Dave Robsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14676114642960690467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-73387703721853114872023-01-18T16:11:06.609+13:002023-01-18T16:11:06.609+13:00The Prime Minister of a Country has the responsibi...The Prime Minister of a Country has the responsibility of protecting their citizens from foreign or other threats and invasions. The Covid virus was an invisible enemy that challenged science around the world. Jacinda is the only leader in the world that protected her citizens. <br /><br />Right wing fools like Boris, Trump, FOMO, Bolsanaro, and others thought they could ignore science and carry on as usual. They suffered millions of unnecessary deaths. The Tory/Act parties here didn't believe in science and thank god they were not in Govt as they would have had Aotearoa in the same predicament - based on the UK and USA, there would have been about 15 to 20,000 Covid deaths in NZ, as it was, there were only about 50.<br /><br />I tick 3 boxes - over 70, Maori and immunocompromised. So thank you Jacinda, Ashley and the Labour party for ignoring the right wing Tory fools and conspirators and saving my life. Can I suggest that the many grumpy old men (like me) I hear on talkback ZB and read in the herald who have a hatred for Jacinda, REJOICE and appreciate this great country of Aotearoa.. Dave Robsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14676114642960690467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-56322115341871493102023-01-18T15:38:34.496+13:002023-01-18T15:38:34.496+13:00Goodness me I see Larry Morris has died. RIP – Lar...Goodness me I see Larry Morris has died. RIP – Larry's Rebels gave me hours of listening pleasure in my youth. Although they may well be responsible for my lack of acute hearing these days. :)Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-15651428385340390412023-01-18T15:34:54.968+13:002023-01-18T15:34:54.968+13:00Crikey Dick, this place is getting as hysterical a...Crikey Dick, this place is getting as hysterical as MSN. In what way is Ardern socialist? Please give some examples of means of production she somehow nationalised? At least something that was in private hands anyway.<br />"Liar, narcissist, sociopath"? Leaving aside the fact that you're not a psychiatrist, and that all politicians at the very least shade the truth – how on earth can you call Ardern a sociopath? How about explaining? Although somehow I doubt if you know the actual medical definition, but you can look at top. How have you managed to diagnose her narcissism? Please reply with examples.<br />You know, sometimes I despair at the exaggeration in what's meant to be a cool and rational discussion. Although I must say Chris you are doing a very good job at keeping the abuse at low levels these days which I do appreciate – it was driving me away from this site.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-2476599959606346522023-01-18T13:10:01.854+13:002023-01-18T13:10:01.854+13:00GS, it sounds like you didn't even read, or fa...GS, it sounds like you didn't even read, or failed to understand, that Cranmer essay before flinging accusations of misinformation about. The guts of it being the decision by government to ignore the advise of Covid-19 Technical Advisory Group (CV TAG) not to proceed with vaccination for young people, essentially that, in their view the risks outweighed any potential benefits.<br /><br />Here is a link to their strongly worded memo to that effect. Obtained under OIA request.<br />https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/pages/20211209_-_cv_tag_stance_on_mandating_vaccinations_in_under_18s.pdfDavid Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883628159193125307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-70358956737465016192023-01-18T13:03:00.094+13:002023-01-18T13:03:00.094+13:00I rarely share the political perspective of @Brend...I rarely share the political perspective of @Brendan McNeill, but I always value his commentary. It's a credit to Bowalley Road, and your efforts Chris, that people of different political views may have a reasonable discussion.<br /><br />Living in Melbourne, during lockdowns, we religiously watched daily briefings and the regular question answering of the Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton. In full credit to his integrity, when the first question was raised over the long-term impact of the vaccines, he answered that no one honestly knew but, we knew that the impact of covid infection was a much greater risk. At the time, the medical advice was that two shots would protect everyone from the virus in perpetuity.<br /><br />We now understand that protection gained from vaccine is time limited and the rate at which recombinations are occurring is faster than modified vaccines can be developed. We also know that Pfizer has been fighting in court to block the release of testing data it obtained in drug trials and there are uncomfortable questions about the potential of mRNA to induce autoimmune issues. There should be space for ongoing public debate of these issues.<br /><br />Yet, one of the <a href="https://twitter.com/davidzweig/status/1607378386338340867" rel="nofollow">latest batches of twitter file releases</a> clearly shows that the FBI was working with the social media platform to supress any criticisms or concerns related to vaccines, including concerns from qualified experts. We understand the same censorship was being used with Google, Facebook and Microsoft. This level of censorship is frightening, and it’s been used with multiple issues over the past two years.<br /><br />Be it with labels of "evil" or "misinformation spreader" or "conspiracy theorist", It has become too easy to slap labels on people who have opinions we don't share and dismiss them without taking the time to listen to what they are saying.Lozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12064567381918975446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-13353943586895767722023-01-18T12:35:39.612+13:002023-01-18T12:35:39.612+13:00First rule of medicine. First do no harm
First rul...First rule of medicine. First do no harm<br />First rule of medical consent . You must give the patient enough relevant information that they can make a rational choice of treatments<br />Jacinda failed miserably on both counts.Myocarditis is rare but potentially lethal.the risk of dying from Covid in the under 20's is also rare<br />The patient should have been informed<br />Dr Matthew CampbellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-81211214508356433652023-01-18T10:06:24.255+13:002023-01-18T10:06:24.255+13:00Dear GS
With Chris’s indulgence, and in one small...Dear GS<br /><br />With Chris’s indulgence, and in one small attempt to rid the world of misinformation / disinformation I am taking a moment to correct your post. <br /><br />You appear to be labouring under the impression that I have taken the Pfizer gene therapy (their description). It is typical of you to impute beliefs and actions to me, and also others who post on this website that are without substance and wide of the mark. I’m pleased to advise you that I have not taken the vaccine in question, and consequently remain completely free of its reputed benefits and risks.<br /><br />I was however effectively marginalised by our Prime Ministers 'two classes of people' policy, as were my teenage grandchildren who were shut out of pools, libraries and school sporting activities. <br /><br />I’m conscious of Chris’s guidelines regarding the Pfizer product and as my post contained no mention of the vaccine’s efficacy or safety it fully satisfied his criteria.<br /><br /><br />Brendan McNeillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741263914308842497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-87019150626662126932023-01-18T08:37:29.231+13:002023-01-18T08:37:29.231+13:00Thanks Brendon, Podium of Truth indeed. I guess ev...Thanks Brendon, Podium of Truth indeed. I guess evil must have a component of malevolent intent, we're getting there.<br /><br />BTW, you can access essays by Cranmer directly on his Substack https://cranmer.substack.com/<br /><br />Cranmer is a nom du plume but surely one of our best political and social commentators - certainly head and shoulders above the rubbish in the legacy media.<br /><br />His investigation into the real costs and obligations implicit in the water "reforms" is great work: https://cranmer.substack.com/p/three-waters-and-the-debt-that-will<br /> David Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883628159193125307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-680367661255214272023-01-18T08:11:37.179+13:002023-01-18T08:11:37.179+13:00The answer is YES.
The answer is YES.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-11313526112545818862023-01-18T05:38:41.722+13:002023-01-18T05:38:41.722+13:00LETS NOT GET TOO HUNG UP ABOUT TERMS (semantics) S...LETS NOT GET TOO HUNG UP ABOUT TERMS (semantics) SUCH AS EVIL. WE GET THE POINT ... WITHOUT THE SEMANTICS. <br /><br />Oops Caps<br /><br />This woman Ardern in the minds of many is seen as an EVIL influence, hardly an unsurprising fear when her position gives her the potential powers to create evil where only good, reason, altruism and love ... are supposed to usually reside. <br /><br />Her ideological socialist views ... do that and are correctly seen as evil ...evil intent/consequences, evil harm, evil intent... all are closely aligned "to my mind". <br /><br />Thus potential for evil in her governing powers/actions is enough to justify use of the word LARRY N MITCHELLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-88299033590046286022023-01-17T23:23:34.240+13:002023-01-17T23:23:34.240+13:00Therein lies the problem Chris.
How do you desc...Therein lies the problem Chris. <br /><br />How do you describe a government who was elected to do X and in many cases didnt seem the least bit interested in X but did bring you Y which not only appeared unheralded and unexplained but was actually the antithesis of what many (most, most likely) didnt want.<br /><br /> A government which when questioned called all comers all sorts of nasty names and point blank refused to talk about it. A government that wouldnt give any truck with those who would oppose them (protestors) and who even stopped the media from covering the protestors points of view. Who have reverted to lies and obfuscation more times than I have had hot dinners during the same period.<br /><br />Your point that referring to someone as Evil is counterproductive is correct as well as your point that it is a refrain used for political gain by the other equally vile side.<br /><br />Are they simply incompetent or inexperienced or are they something by degrees much more heinous? <br /><br />And what of the loyal supporters who spent their lives believing in a cause (in my case at the cost of very real dollars in my pocket) to find themselves and their ideals derided and laughed at. Dinosaurs and fools that we are.<br /><br />I refer to our PM as evil because I am that angry (and I know others who feel the same) and I cant conceive of a government who runs under a Labour party manifesto reducing our country to the strife and poverty and excess ridden place that we have become. Was it all Ardern's fault of course not but coming into government the priorities were clear as were the needs. <br /><br />We had waited a decade to start to right the wrongs but were duped instead. I dont know why it happened, hubris and arrogance perhaps, something darker who knows. But I think that to do some of the things the PM has done so callously and to repeatedly not listen, hints at something a little more serious than oh, the govt's just useless.ZTShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04428960440667642145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-25413657672370158582023-01-17T23:04:23.916+13:002023-01-17T23:04:23.916+13:00Ardern is evil ... in effect.Ardern is evil ... in effect.sumsuchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03133092096534660472noreply@blogger.com