tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post8255942336431236672..comments2024-03-29T11:07:51.893+13:00Comments on Bowalley Road: The Method In The Madness.Chris Trotterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09081613281183460899noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-4405226638865215102019-03-28T22:46:28.884+13:002019-03-28T22:46:28.884+13:00Just commenting on the title, Chris. You're as...Just commenting on the title, Chris. You're as little about the unity I'm feeling now as the prick on the NZ Herald. Then 2 more articles along the same lines. You've seen all that can go wrong. The positive rubs that all out. Of course, in the long run.sumsuchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03133092096534660472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-61571259233006475682019-03-27T16:52:08.397+13:002019-03-27T16:52:08.397+13:00Ditto. I'm also a conservative who enjoys Chri...Ditto. I'm also a conservative who enjoys Chris's thoughtful, well-reasoned essays. Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08851628330071693663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-49835841175238114032019-03-26T07:05:47.453+13:002019-03-26T07:05:47.453+13:00"GS I doubt you have listened at length to th..."GS I doubt you have listened at length to these new media exponents"<br />"comments on JBP's diet that ignore the context -"<br />Just as Christians gravitate to the "no true Scotsman" fallacy when someone who uses their holy book does something wrong, these seem to be the go to's of Jordan Peterson fan boys.<br />Let me make it quite clear, I have read enough of Jordan Peterson to know that outside his area of expertise he is a vacuous idiot, who spouts vague words salads out of which people take what they wish. Vague enough again as I said to be able to say when pressed "Oh – I didn't mean that." I do not intend to read any more of him. I think I've managed to absorb the contexts as well.<br />Again, I would like to stress that deplatforming as used by Jordan Peterson fan boys happens more to the left than to the right. It's just that 90% of the publicity goes to four or five professional provocateurs, who make their money saying controversial things, who deliberately provoke deplatforming in order to increase their notoriety and therefore their income, and in at least one case don't pay their debts.<br />Charles I doubt you have read enough post-modernists to condemn them. I doubt you have read enough French intellectuals to condemn them either.<br />"old truth that radical leftists usually grow up and head towards the centre, where there is more light and air."<br />Popular myth – wrong. Certainly wrong in the US, as far as Britain goes just crude and shallow perhaps.<br />Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-28674901463585620592019-03-26T06:29:12.911+13:002019-03-26T06:29:12.911+13:00This is the organizer of the divisive rally in Auc...This is the organizer of the divisive rally in Auckland. Make your own mind up, but i think that many of these vigils and events have been hikacked by the Marxist far-left for their own purposes:<br /><br />https://keywiki.org/Mengzhu_FuAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-73845711113387008882019-03-26T06:26:23.312+13:002019-03-26T06:26:23.312+13:00Funjily enough, Holland’s great grandson, Adam Hol...Funjily enough, Holland’s great grandson, Adam Holland, is a dangerous islamaphobe. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-56589699086626576692019-03-25T13:13:21.913+13:002019-03-25T13:13:21.913+13:00GS I doubt you have listened at length to these ne...GS I doubt you have listened at length to these new media exponents (Harris, Peterson, Rubin, Rogan, Weinstein x2) who I predict will help bury the old media, as well as reform tertiary education. Insult? You see you don't realise they are actually mostly of the left. Or were and are now in the centre I would say.<br /><br />So it is no insult to Chris at all. The opposite. He is left of course of old, but represents that part now standing up to the seriously dangerous and toxic radicals who are creating a mirrored response on the far right. He and others are doing essential work and most importantly, engaging well with their similarly open and moderate 'opponents' on the right. The Radicals will not engage. They just label and insult and ban and de-platform. <br />Truly they are ‘deconstructionists’, which means vandals. They want to tear down our civilisation. <br /><br />These idiots have swallowed too much post-modernist bile, mostly from the faux French ‘intellectuals’ of mid last century and now they are funded in their tenures by the people and states they want to destroy. We need to fear and stand up to them as much as Islamists and Nazis.<br /><br />But these labels, left & right although useful are crude and shallow perhaps. Good minds get wiser as they get older and it is an old truth that radical leftists usually grow up and head towards the centre, where there is more light and air. <br />Not always. Some still remain fossilised in their bitterness and resentment til too old to think much of sense at all. Like a criminal incarcerated for so long he loses the will to be a bastard any more.Charles W Etheringtonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-29723395674398891752019-03-25T10:47:27.922+13:002019-03-25T10:47:27.922+13:00" I'm all for the alt-Right paying for se..." I'm all for the alt-Right paying for security"<br />Everyone should pay for their own security if they're making money at some sort of speaking venue. And every protester should go there with the guts to take it on the chin if they are arrested for breaking the law. Seems to me that's honoured more in the breach than the observance by right-wing protesters anyway judging by the bitching of some of them about it. The problem is though that at least one – Milo wotsisface owes someone in Australia I think 50 grand for security for one of his talks, and he's just walked away from the debt – I suspect it's one of the reasons why he wasn't allowed into Australia. So it's quite possible that they couldn't get private security. And in the end of course the police are responsible for public order and that comes out of my pocket.<br />On Peterson – well you sort of do have to read him, and listen to him, because people all over the place including here use him as evidence of something. And although it's not as bad as going to storm front or somewhere, it still leaves me in a fog. And I have a number of degrees which have a requirement for clear and concise English language. Admittedly not always evident here but I'm usually in a hurry. :)Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-73927373197798979962019-03-25T08:55:32.001+13:002019-03-25T08:55:32.001+13:00If the bugger doesn't eat roast potatoes, I...If the bugger doesn't eat roast potatoes, I'd question his wisdom. He's not invited to dinner at mine.Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-20742280052165362722019-03-25T08:52:58.699+13:002019-03-25T08:52:58.699+13:00Fair enough GS, I'm all for the alt-Right payi...Fair enough GS, I'm all for the alt-Right paying for security, however I reckon if the ctrl-Left push them that far then expect a return favour. Is that what we really want?<br /><br />On Peterson I'm fine if people criticize his political utterances, you don't need to read him, same as anybody else. My criticism of critics (of not only Peterson) is that to not listen accurately and respond rationally seems default setting. Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-9447443570657734802019-03-24T12:46:11.570+13:002019-03-24T12:46:11.570+13:00Nick
" Left in particular have developed a ve...Nick<br />" Left in particular have developed a very sophisticated method of labelling people, lumping them together as "fascists" and deplatforming them."<br /><br />I heard a lawyer say the other day that free speech is a negative freedom. In other words the government will not persecute you or prosecute you for what you say. But it is still under no obligation to provide you with a platform to say it. And these days, with so many platforms around I don't see it as a huge disadvantage, and I wouldn't care anyway when it comes to the so-called alt right. If they want a platform, they can damn well hire a platform and the security that goes with it. And anyone at their meetings whatever you want to call them who breaks the law in any way should be detained by that security, turned over to the police and arrested for breaking whatever law they have. And as far as the alt right goes that's capitalism they support it and they can put up with the results of it without whining maybe.<br />As far as Peterson is concerned I haven't read anything but what he says as a public intellectual. Which I find nothing more than vague word salad, which people can ascribe what ever meaning they like to. And I suspect it is deliberately vague, so that when somebody who knows what they are talking about picks him up on it he can say "I didn't mean that."<br />What I also get tired of is the fan boys who assume that if you haven't read every little thing the stupid bugger has written, you can't judge the man. Or the ones that keep repeating "context" ad nauseam.<br />Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-36312667666860751412019-03-24T12:00:28.622+13:002019-03-24T12:00:28.622+13:00"comments on JBP's diet that ignore the c..."comments on JBP's diet that ignore the context -"<br />Ah context. The favourite Jordan Peterson fan boy statement. We always ignore context don't we. Unfortunately the consensus of experts in nutrition – of which Jordan Peterson is not one – seem to think that this is not a sustainable long-term diet. They also seem to think there is certainly a bit of the placebo effect going on here. And that there hasn't really been enough long-term studies of the effects.<br />I might say from my own knowledge, that people who do live on an all meat diet tend to eat everything. Up to and including the brains. That's the only way you can get all the vitamin C and minerals and shit that you need from an all meat diet.<br />Not to mention that his daughter makes quite a good living at $120 a pop selling you this bullshit.<br />On the other hand what the experts say......<br />"says Jody Dushay, an assistant professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School. "It doesn't matter what the food is! Even if it's a 'perfect' food, it will still be imperfect." She points out that Peterson's diet leaves him without sources of crucial vitamins and minerals, not to mention carbohydrates. "It's not anything that can sustain human life," says nutritionist Judy Simon, a clinical instructor at the University of Washington Medical Center.<br />They also stay that a study of two people for one year in 1930 (or whenever) is not scientifically relevant.<br />And given that neither of them will admit to taking supplements, I suspect that long-term it's simply not going to work.<br />" true scientists, not just peddlers of received opinions"<br />Oh dear, the clarion call of every peddler of Woo since the year dot. From psychics to flat earthers. Fuck there's just no answer to that it's so stupid. The "peddlers of received opinions" include of course every academic that doesn't believe in this bullshit. Unfortunately that's the overwhelming majority of some of the most intelligent people on the planet. Still, Peterson and his daughter are a living experiment. If I live long enough on my awful boring varied diet of meat grains, fruit and vegetables I'll be very interested in the long-term results of this.<br />PS. Apparently scurvy is making a big comeback in the states at the moment. :)<br />Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-87918578681744925982019-03-23T14:22:45.359+13:002019-03-23T14:22:45.359+13:00This blog has been *outstanding* in the last few d...This blog has been *outstanding* in the last few days, it really has!<br />Huge kudos to you, Chris, for your excellent posts, and to the commenters here as well, particularly Nick J, Tom Hunter, Michael Johnston. <br /><br />As mentioned elsewhere, I'm a conservative, but I can say that this Chris Trotter guy is a pretty darned good bloke for a Lefty.... ;) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786935427427629740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-74585758087659674452019-03-23T13:46:01.606+13:002019-03-23T13:46:01.606+13:00Chris: I agree with your commitment to maintaining...Chris: I agree with your commitment to maintaining freedoms in the aftermath of the Al Noor massacre. In fact freedom of speech and opinion has now become more important than it ever was in less critical times.<br />However I do not take such a sanguine view of the societal response to the massacre. I attended Jamaat prayers at an Islamic centre yesterday, and was touched by the response of "ordinary" New Zealanders, Maori and Pakeha, who arrived at the Masjid in a show of compassion and support. <br />Afterwards I made my way to a Civic Memorial function where politicians took the platform to spout pure hypocrisy while the New Zealand police stood around flaunting semi-automatic rifles.<br />Two different worlds, and this is our problem. <br />The political side, the state, will not change. The causes of ethnic, religious and social tensions will remain.<br />People, and the media, are taking comfort from the moderate, restrained and generally constructive response of Muslim leaders - the various imams, FIANZ and so on. <br />But younger Muslims will be saying to the imams "You did not keep our people safe", and the imams will have no reply to that. <br />New Zealanders have not solved the problem. They have hardly got to the point of understanding what the problem is. Suffice to say that it goes much wider than notions of "White supremacy" or "Islamophobia" and the political undercurrents that led to the Al Noor massacre are generated by much deeper forces than Facebook. <br />Geoff Fischerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00509885628971898371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-45815411084117333552019-03-23T12:57:34.627+13:002019-03-23T12:57:34.627+13:00Exactly Bonzo,
comments on JBP's diet that ign...Exactly Bonzo,<br />comments on JBP's diet that ignore the context - the medical benefit he gets from it - are just another example of prejudice against people whose habits are different from our own.<br />There are nutritionists who have experimented with the all-meat diet for themselves and their patients, and these people - true scientists, not just peddlers of received opinions - are not so quick to condemn it. It has a history that can be traced back to early diabetes diets (1790s), the Bellevue experiment of 1929 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilhjalmur_Stefansson#Advocacy_of_an_exclusively_meat_diet ) and Blake Donaldson's 1960's book Strong Medicine. <br />The all-meat diet's success in reversing inflammatory disease and type 2 diabetes is an important corrective to a false view of the role of red meat in disease causation that has wide currency.<br />If only our false ideas about religion and ethnicity were so easily disproved. Puddleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00953398103675945541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-51499171460327021502019-03-23T10:46:45.176+13:002019-03-23T10:46:45.176+13:00GS said "Peterson for instance lives on beef ...GS said "Peterson for instance lives on beef and water. Yes – that's all he eats. You should hear nutritionists on that."<br /><br />It relieves the symptoms of an auto immune condition he has. His daughter suffers from an even more extreme version of it that led to hip and ankle replacement surgery in her teens. She explored the restricted diet to great effect and JP tried it successfully too. <br /><br />Bonzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01107619221542910915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-23692633306822845232019-03-23T10:15:44.844+13:002019-03-23T10:15:44.844+13:00The Rangi, I got savaged by the ctrl-Left for maki...The Rangi, I got savaged by the ctrl-Left for making the comment that in our rush to massed immigration that we might not have considered that the Treaty process was incomplete as was the reconciliation of pakeha and Maori into something both parties accepted. My sin was to say that took precedence over incoming cultures and that they must understand that coming here was conditional on that. <br /><br />I was whisked off to the metaphorical Gulag immediately.Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-29156039460638949642019-03-23T10:07:49.440+13:002019-03-23T10:07:49.440+13:00Yes let's blame all white Australians....that ...Yes let's blame all white Australians....that is hate speech.Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-66499111924779818062019-03-23T10:05:39.139+13:002019-03-23T10:05:39.139+13:00Dunno if I'd be insulted GS, yes I find Peters...Dunno if I'd be insulted GS, yes I find Peterson wierd at times, mind you a north Canadian winter could result in any amount of strangeness. He is however as you say in his field rather expert and fascinating. I'd note he dislikes the extreme Right as much as the extreme Left. <br /><br />I think it's instructive of the current debate that both sides, but the Left in particular have developed a very sophisticated method of labelling people, lumping them together as "fascists" and deplatforming them. Their "crime" is invariably that their ideas oppose the current Leftist orthodoxy of post modernism. Unfortunately this stifles any criticism and debate from within Leftist circles of Leftist ideas as well. We are back to Bolsheviks versus Menshoviks, and the rise of intolerant orthodoxy.Nick Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-32195326817163037392019-03-23T07:18:02.793+13:002019-03-23T07:18:02.793+13:00"You sound like Sam Harris or Jordan Peterson..."You sound like Sam Harris or Jordan Peterson to me. "<br />Well as far as I'm concerned, Chris you have just been insulted. Both of these guys are recognised experts in their own field, and both of them make absolutely incredibly stupid statements outside of it – which recognised experts in those particular fields cringe at. Peterson for instance lives on beef and water. Yes – that's all he eats. You should hear nutritionists on that.Guerilla Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03427876447124021423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-48213552398800448042019-03-23T06:18:21.585+13:002019-03-23T06:18:21.585+13:00Jacinda the Good needs to explain why it is only, ...Jacinda the Good needs to explain why it is only, in the Western countries that we have seen policies which deliberately disrupt the ethnic state giving other ethnic groups equal footing in the national boundary (NZ just under 94% European in the 1950s)? They are <i>not</i> us. Can she demonstrate the "immense" benefits of diversity as claimed by Labour MP Keri Burke in 1986. A recent NZ Research poll found we are divided 50:50 on how we feel about diversity and only 41% think immigration from Asia will have a "positive impact" - Asia NZ Foundation. The moral panic over "racist" must be seen in that context. <br /><br />The civil rights movement in the US gave the black ethnic group equality within the national boundary. They were allready within the national boundary but in the West we bring them in as a policy. We do not do it carefully and slowly as through inter-marriage but as "a deliberate stategy" - "In New Zealand not only do we welcome diversity we celebrate it" says Michael Woodhouse MP for Real Estaton as he welcomes Syrian refugees. How does Kyle of the National Front feel about his ethnic mana in these circumstances? The survival of his ethnic group is based primoidaly on one important thing the ethnic bond that sees people prepared to be lead into battle and die (take up arms)for that ethnic group. Can Mai Chen and Paul Spoonleys "diversity divident" beat that?<br /><br />Eric Kaufmann writes about "left-modernism" and "liberal high culture" and "the religion of anti-racism" (and yes it is a religion whose high priests are treated with "genuflection" - Paul Spoonley/ Ta Nse Coates). <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> John Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-50112739133355765992019-03-22T23:23:00.897+13:002019-03-22T23:23:00.897+13:00... attacks on Jews in France have been rising for...<i>... attacks on Jews in France have been rising for some time</i><br /><br />Yes they have, and it's been noted mainly by Right-Wing sources, especially those outside France.<br /><br />And your implication is that this rise is due to the Right in France. Of course. You're the Guerilla Surgeon Cyclops.<br /><br />In fact you're a perfect example of what Chris is talking about in this article.Tom Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840988228699338463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-54163346934111840742019-03-22T23:16:35.085+13:002019-03-22T23:16:35.085+13:00I must admit I was amazed that Tumblr - super woke...I must admit I was amazed that Tumblr - super woke Tumblr - could have produced the following contrasting images, in this case from <i>Slate</i> magazine.<br /><br />https://66.media.tumblr.com/cb7975b67888a399d84295e4b884a0b1/tumblr_por6zfg5rj1tjcli3_540.jpgTom Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840988228699338463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-78374130648599850242019-03-22T19:04:34.647+13:002019-03-22T19:04:34.647+13:00Hi Chris,
As a relatively silent observer over the...Hi Chris,<br />As a relatively silent observer over the last week, I'm heartened that someone has been able to put into words exactly what I've been thinking and seeing.<br /><br />I'm Māori, and it has been astounding that as soon as I even started questioning what I was seeing, I have been labelled a racist, a white-supremacist (LOL), and a Nazi.<br /><br />All logic and reasoning has gone out the door, and there is a group of people with large platforms who are actively trying to redefine "alt-right" as anyone who did not vote for either the Labour Party or the Green Party at the last election.<br /><br />Simply staggering, and incredibly dangerous.Te Ranginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-3015488670519065492019-03-22T18:00:47.736+13:002019-03-22T18:00:47.736+13:00Impressive writing Mr Trotter.Impressive writing Mr Trotter.Damien Granthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12108800337370151148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3753486518085091399.post-64143986391742992682019-03-22T17:35:55.618+13:002019-03-22T17:35:55.618+13:00That could happen...but it dosnt have toThat could happen...but it dosnt have topathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727942156598555852noreply@blogger.com