Thursday, 31 October 2024

Are We The Baddies?

Difficult Questions: Does denying human equality and rejecting the principles of colour-blind citizenship place you among the baddies? Yes, I’m afraid it does.

THE DEMON OF UNREST documents the descent of the United States into civil war. The primary focus of its author, Erik Larson, is the period of roughly five months between the election of Abraham Lincoln as President in November 1860, and his inauguration in March 1861. These were the months in which, one after the other, the slaveholding states of the South voted to secede from the Union.

Seldom has the evolution of an implacable political logic proceeded in circumstances where so few effective means of altering its direction lay to hand. Americans had become the prisoners of convictions that could not be set aside without incurring, to employ a key concept of the era, an irreparable loss of honour.

Only a president of Lincoln’s strength and steadfastness could have won the American Civil War, but not even a president of Lincoln’s strength and steadfastness could have prevented it.

The most disconcerting feature of Larson’s historical narrative are the many parallels between the America of then, and the New Zealand of now. There are Kiwis, today, as committed to the decolonisation and indigenisation of their country as Yankees once were to the abolition of slavery. Likewise, there is an answering fraction of the New Zealand population every bit as determined to preserve the colour-blind conception of what it means to be a New Zealander as the slaveholders of the American South were determined to preserve their own “peculiar institution”.

The key historical question arising from this comparison is: which of the opposing sides in the present conflict between “New Zealand” and “Aotearoa” represents the North, and which the South? The answer is far from straightforward.

Superficially, it is the promoters of decolonisation and indigenisation who most resemble the Northern abolitionists. Certainly, in their moral certainty, dogmatism, and unwillingness to compromise, the Decolonisers and the Abolitionists would appear to be cut from identical cloth. Brought together by a time machine, one can easily imagine their respective leaders, so alike in their political style, getting along famously.

By the same token, the defenders of Colour-Blind New Zealand, in their reverence for tradition and their deep nostalgia for the political certainties of the past, would appear to be a more than passable match for the political forces that gave birth to the Confederate States of America in 1861.

These correspondences are, however, more apparent than real. From a strictly ideological standpoint, it is the Decolonisers who match most closely the racially-obsessed identarian radicals who rampaged through the streets of the South in 1860-61, demanding secession and violently admonishing all those suspected of harbouring Northern sympathies. Likewise, it is the Indigenisers who preach a racially-bifurcated state in which the ethnic origin of the citizen is the most crucial determinant of his or her political rights and duties.

Certainly, in this country, the loudest clamour and the direst threats are directed at those who argue that New Zealand must remain a democratic state in which all citizens enjoy equal rights, irrespective of wealth, gender, or ethnic origin, and in which the property rights of all citizens are safeguarded by the Rule of Law.

These threats escalated alarmingly following the election of what soon became the National-Act-NZ First Coalition Government. Like the election of Lincoln in 1860, the success of New Zealand’s conservative parties in the 2023 general election was construed by the Decolonisers and Indigenisers as a potentially fatal blow to any hope of sustaining and extending the gains made under the sympathetic, radical, and identity-driven Labour Government of 2020-23.

Just as occurred throughout the South in November and December of 1860, the fire-eating partisans of “Aotearoa” lost little time in coming together to warn the incoming government that its political programme was unreasonable, unacceptable, and “racist”; and that any attempt to realise it in legislation would be met with massive resistance – up to and including civil war.

The profoundly undemocratic nature of the fire-eaters’ opposition was illustrated by their vehement objections to the Act Party’s policy of holding a binding referendum to entrench, or not, the “principles” of the Treaty of Waitangi. Like the citizens of South Carolina, the first state to secede, the only votes they are willing to recognise are their own.

Another historical parallel is discernible in the degree to which the judicial arm of the New Zealand state, like its American counterpart in the 1850s, has actively supported the cause of ethnic difference in the 2020s.

In 1857, the infamous Dred-Scott decision of the US Supreme Court advanced the cause of slavery throughout the United States. Written by Chief Justice Roger Taney, the judgement found that persons of African descent: “are not included, and were not intended to be included, under the word ‘citizens’ in the Constitution, and can therefore claim none of the rights and privileges which that instrument provides for and secures to citizens of the United States”. The Taney Court’s decision made civil war inevitable.

In 2022, the New Zealand Supreme Court’s adjudication of the Peter Ellis Case would add a novel legal consideration – tikanga Māori – to the application of New Zealand Law. The Court’s constitutionally dubious decision was intended to, and did, materially advance the establishment of a bi-cultural legal system in Aotearoa. It represented an historic victory for the Decolonisers.

It may occur to some readers, that the argument put forward here resembles the celebrated Mitchell & Webb television sketch in which a worried SS officer asks his Nazi comrade-in-arms, Hans: “Are we the baddies?” It’s a great line. But, over and above the humour, the writers are making an important point. Those who devote themselves entirely to a cause are generally incapable of questioning its moral status – even when its uniforms are adorned with skulls.

Those New Zealanders who believe unquestioningly in the desirability of decolonisation and indigenisation argue passionately that they are part of the same great progressive tradition that inspired the American Abolitionists of 160 years ago. But are they?

Did the Black Abolitionist, and former slave, Frederick Douglass, embrace the racial essentialism of Moana Jackson? Or did he, rather, wage an unceasing struggle against those who insisted, to the point of unleashing a devastating civil war, that all human-beings are not created equal?

What is there that in any way advances the progressive cause about the casual repudiation of Dr Martin Luther King Jnr’s dream that: “one day my four little children will be judged not by the colour of their skin, but by the content of their character”?

When will the partisans of decolonisation and indigenisation finally notice the death’s head on their caps? That, driven by their political passion to atone for the sins of the colonial fathers, they are willing to subvert the Rule of Law, deny human equality, misrepresent their country’s history, and abandon its democratic system of government. Can they not see that the people they castigate as the direct ideological descendants of the slaveholding white supremacists of the antebellum South, are actually fighting for the same principles that animated and inspired the Northern Abolitionists?

Does denying human equality and rejecting the principles of colour-blind citizenship place you among the baddies? Yes, I’m afraid it does. The demon of unrest has claimed you for his own.


This essay was originally posted on The Democracy Project substack page on Thursday. 17 October 2024.

62 comments:

Shane McDowall said...

Well said Chris.

I do wonder why the likes of Moana Maniapoto and Rawiri Waititi don't set about creating their own Maori ethno-state. As I have said before, Northland would be the perfect location for Aotearoa.

I suspect they do not embrace that idea because, at some level, they are aware that a Maori ethno-state would not be economically viable. I suspect they do not want to stop sucking on the tit of the Pakeha taxpayer.

Talk of tino rangatiratanga and mana motuhake are just political hot air.

Just think how much less crime, poverty and mental illness there will be without the Maori underclass. New Zealand will be near Scandinavian and Aotearoa will be like the Solomon Islands.

The Barron said...

Seems this blog gets heavier and heavier into self-justification of discredited views. The more the need for such, the deeper down the rabbit hole. Also the greater the contradictions.

Lets start with colour-blind. That this is championed draws contrast to when this same blogger railed against British film and TV colour-blind casting. We should also note, the actual location of Bowalley Road is north Otago. Those from the south are more than aware that many southern Kia Tahu / Kati Mamoe have so many generations of contact, no-one makes assumptions on 'colour'. The critics of te Tiriti status will always use 'race' or 'colour as a red herring to draw attention away from inherited rights and indigenous rights. It is exploiting debunked biological views of categorization base on skin pigmentation. Chris, you should be above this as you have written previously regarding the history and present beliefs in eugenics. The American decision you try comparison to was not based on skin colour, but on "one drop of blood".

The Peter Ellis case was the first to acknowledge tikanga Māori at Supreme Court level. This is not the first legal application. It has been a factor in ACC decisions as to compensate a matua that can no longer stand of the paepae. It has been recognized in employment law cases. The key in the Ellis case is not that tikanga is in legal place, but that by being within the New Zealand law, it is open to all New Zealanders. It is an expansion of rights, yet, yourself and those in the right-wing establishment, rail against universal rights for the sole reason that it has developed from te ao Maori. Of course, so has various family and youth conferences (many held on Marae) over the last 4 decades. Presumably these were overtly Maoritanga enough for the prejudice.

The basic premise of your post, that Maori indigenous rights are somehow similar to antebellum slavery is so ridiculous and desperate I will leave to the Tim Selwyns out there to deconstruct. It is insulting to two groups that are rebuilding there communities and place within their respective jurisdictions. Both groups suffered from a colonial view that judged them as less, and took away their rights, bodily, culturally and materially.

Are we the baddies? The premise of your question shows your starting point is excluding Maori from your 'we', you do not right about New Zealanders and their ethic diversity, but that the "Ruminations of an Old New Zealander" is a very exact type of New Zealander, one exclusive and of exclusion.

People today do not have a personal responsibility for the past, but we do have a collective and institutional obligation to redress wrongs. Do so and we are rebuilding our nation that reflects the people and the past. Not to do so because of the insecurity that giving others rights defers from your position in society is wrongly applied hysterics.

baddy
noun [ C ] mainly UK informal (also baddie)
a bad person in a film, book, etc.:
In the old cowboy movies, the baddies always get beaten in the end.
On line Cambridge Dictionary

mjh said...

Great analysis Chris; right on target.

Little Keith said...

There is reasonable explanation to all of this. When Marxists critical theory was failing with a class war to overthrow the bourgeoisie, they turned to race, pitting one against the other to overturn the orthodoxy into anarchy. It started around the 1960's and has been increasingly embraced by academia to the point where brute force has entrenched this absurdity into universities.

Which of course makes up a large proportion of progressive politics followers who, like most of Labour and all of the Greens, come from no life experience academic backgrounds. Labours Maori caucus couldn't believe their luck that these white dipsticks were so malleable in their hands. And TPM just milk this idiotic religion for all it's worth.

No good whatsoever can come of this madness, like since when has racial segregation, favouritism and decision making based on skin colour or religion or gender ever lead to a better society? The truly insane part is Labour didn't even think to ask that question? Best you don't consider the consequences when you jump from an aircraft without a parachute thinking you can fly! That way you can pretend it will all work out for the best!

In fact this way of thinking is why progressive policies backfire so spectacularly, as per our last government. A defiance of reasoning and logic replaced by misplaced guilt and pure stupidity!

New view said...

Someone here is bound to poke a stick at you Chris but it won’t be me. Can’t disagree with your post. These days if your tongue is smooth and you appeal to a particular group who like what you say you can turn the tide of thinking to a larger group. Does that make it true or right. No, not necessarily. No matter how big the injustice done to Maori in the past, using race as a weapon and putting our democracy at risk, is too bigger price to pay. Areas of self determination may be possible but Nationally it’s a no go for me. If Labour took their agenda on as a genuine brain fart they can be forgiven. If it was some weird way of taking Maori on this journey that would for ever give them Maori votes they can’t be forgiven. The end justifying the means is a crock. I suspect Labour’s motives aren’t entirely righteous. What’s going on in NZ may have similarities with the Us Civil War but to me the comparison is a distraction. Unless of course Maori aren’t interested in democracy and want civil unrest or violence to appease their grievances.

Larry Mitchell www.cprlifesaver.co.nz said...

The extreme politicisation of ACT's Treaty Principles project and is being so soundly criticized by its narrow base of opponents, should not be permitted to confuse and cloud the fundamental good sense of the initiative.

What sane and right minded development of most ... if not all; ground breaking advances of human thinking have progressed without the promoters first defining both its scope and the guiding principles that will apply?

Principles defining is structurally essential for good public policy. All ACT is doing by its principles definition-defining is following these rules.

John Hurley said...

The progressives are the bad guys.
I came home yesterday to see my cute little cat curled up on my bed. I rubbed his tummy and he licked my hand, then I saw something out of the corner of my eye: the blackbird. It was injured but managed to fly out the backdoor. Then in the bathroom I saw body fluids and feathers.
It isn’t the first time, but it reminded me of a despot and his torture chamber.
So my cat has a dirty little secret: he’s a serial killer; but if that wasn’t his nature there (possibly) wouldn’t be any cats; it’s the logic of the ecosytem?
Likewise the progressives have a vision of a society (not without, ethnic goups), but with no dominant ethnic group. We see the results in (the discredited He Whenua Taurikura ((it went mad and they shot it))). You would think it would have been the subject of an expose on NZTV, instead they were in on it!
The idea behind the ethnicless society is a perfect, objective, justice. But the logic behind it is incoherent.
On the progressive right:
Michael Laws; Sean Plunket; NZ Initiative: “there’s plenty more land in [Queenstown]”
Arthur Grimes: “Auckland is a tiny city”
John Key (at the Property Institute with Paula Bennet) “there may have to be some density”
Isaiah Berlin says, that to perceive patterns is to understand.

Former McDonald’s CFO, Harry J. Sonneborn, is even quoted as saying, “we are not technically in the food business. We are in the real estate business. The only reason we sell fifteen-cent hamburgers is because they are the greatest producer of revenue, from which our tenants can pay us our rent.”

In 2011 Sir Paul Callaghan pointed out that each new job required $120,000 to maintain our standard of living, but tourism earned $80,000.
Ian Harrison argued that in a land-based economy (too distant to be a significant manufacturer) each new employee has a lower marginal product. This seems to be born out by the fact that tourism now earns $70,000. But what about rents, taxpayer contributions to infrastructure and property values. Paul Spoonley told a tourism conference (that) “you guys ought to tell the good stories” [when I complained to the BSA about Nigel Latta’s New New Zealand, they argued that it was about (the program) restoring balance (therefore social justice and not truth)].
On the left majority ethnicity is to be dismantled, and Maori ethnicity elevated despite, majority ethnicity having adapted to agriculture, industrialisation and contact with many other ethnic groups in other nations.
Ranginui Walker argued that NZ was sustainable relative to it’s resources with 2.1 births per couple, we should “raise the drawbridge”. Paul Spoonley asked (in RW’s presence) said “Maori can have the role of welcoming migrants”. Arama Rata, Tracy MacIntosh (etc) are the result of that indoctrination.
Previously we had positive narratives. Norman Kirk said (at Waitangi Day) “This is part of our nation's inheritance, and we should never forget it: we were born in peace and justice and we shall deal peacefully and justly with all peoples. True, Maori and pakeha came to blows, but there was also valor on both sides”. He didn’t have to read a book to take that approach, it is instinctive: ethnic groups absorb other ethnic groups creating a distinctive new society with a claim of legitimacy, to the land.
If you aren’t prepared to define yourself as a people of a particular place you have to justify negatives because the “shrinking pool of prime destination countries” are already developed economies.
So: diversity is good; immigration has no effect on house prices; increasing labour supply only drives down wages “a little”.

Anonymous said...

In the best traditions of 1984, war is peace, ignorance is strength, regressive is progressive!

Michael said...

Wow. Thats a powerful and radical argument to make. I agree.

Chris Trotter said...

Posts such as this one reveal just how irreconcilable identity-driven interpretations of history and evidence-based historical writing have now become.

At the core of this inability to meet on common ground is the indefatigable anachronism of identity-driven history. The values of the present are superimposed ruthlessly upon the actors and actions of the past - and those deemed hostile to those values become the "baddies".

The endless piling-up of "evidence" in support of this anachronistic analysis serves no real purpose, since as a barrister would, quite rightly, argue in court, it is "tainted".

The acute polarization of contemporary politics is largely traceable to the determination on both sides of multiple divides to defend the history/evidence they believe to be correct. I do, however, lay most of the blame for this sate of affairs at the feet of the Left who, for decades now, have been peddling a highly tendentious and dangerous revision of our country's history.

This "re-education" of the populace (or at least the more influential members of the populace) reached its crescendo between 2017 and 2023, making an aggressive political backlash inevitable.

This is what is unfolding now, Barron, and believe me when I say, it's going to get a lot "worse" (from your perspective) before it gets "better".

David George said...

Would our legacy media have allowed this essay to be published? Based on their recent record (NZME banning Michael Bassett comes to mind) I don't think so. That's a real problem - for them and for us; the lies and manipulation are off the charts and around 70% of us now have little of no faith in them and their BS

Thank God people can now go to the source.
"Our" media report that D J Trump wanted to put Liz Cheney in front of a firing squad. What he actually said: “when the Wyoming Republican was in House Republican leadership, she always wanted to go to war with people. She’s a war hawk, let’s see how she likes war if you give her a rifle and she’s got 9 barrels shooting at her. They’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington saying let’s send 10,000 troops to fight the enemy.”

What's going on?

David George said...

"creating their own Maori ethno-state"
I've wondered about that as well Shane. Probably best to start with a few hundred; a neo tribal, communalist entity. The Gloriavale folk have done it successfully so it can be done and I suspect the Maori communalists wouldn't get half the flak that the Gloriavale folk are subject to - BNZ are planning on de-banking them.

D'Esterre said...

"Those New Zealanders who believe unquestioningly in the desirability of decolonisation and indigenisation...."

Such people - and I've met them, debated online with them - fail to see the peril right under their noses. Moreover, they cannot be convinced of it. In my view, this is to a large extent because they're too young to have seen what happened in Africa, for instance, during the independence push after WW2. And many of them have grown to adulthood in the wake of the Treaty of Waitangi Act, along with Geoff Palmer's well-intentioned (but disastrous) ToW revisionism of the 1980s. They don't realise what may well lie ahead, because they haven't absorbed the lessons of the past.

In this household, we've come to understand that those political manoeuvres of the 1970s and 80s, and the Treaty settlements since, were appeasement. It never works: just look at Chamberlain and Nazi Germany.

Like many other NZers, we have for years been able to see trouble ahead. But the situation has grown worse since the 2017 election, and accelerated away after the 2020 election. Given what's happened since 2020, backlash at the 2023 election was inevitable. But we aren't at all sure that it will stave off civil conflict. We've all seen the Maori reaction to the newly-elected government: the deliberate misrepresentation of Seymour's Bill, the large-scale gatherings and protests. They have seen the promise of co-governance evaporate before their eyes: who knows what they'll attempt, in order to resurrect it.

As a society, we're at a very dangerous juncture.

It's worth pointing out that nobody now alive was responsible for what happened - or is alleged to have happened - in the 19th or early 20th centuries. Yet here we are, paying the price for it: as eloquent a case as I've ever seen, for visiting the supposed sins of that generation upon this generation.

NZ is now a modern representative democracy. It's our best hope for the future; we cannot afford the ravages of civil war, either economically or in terms of its effects upon our society.

The Barron said...

"Rebuilding our nation that reflects the people and the past". No more divisive statement could be made???
The Ellis case extends the rights available to all. Identity driven"People today do not have a persaonal responsibility for the past". An irreconcilable interpretation of history???

John Hurley said...


If you get amongst a high status group they are sensing each other out as to who will elevate their status and they smell the air for group norms and sacred ideas that are boundary markers for that group. In anything to do with Christchurch they will tell you (eg) that this was an important mahinga kai for Ngai tahu and if it wasn't for them my ancestors wouldn't have been farming here.
All that does is elevate Maori priests, academics and lawyers.
Most Maori are working class, so of much more importance is the state housing on the other side of Riccarton Road.
The upper crust hug minorities anything closer to home is far too common.

The Barron said...

Chris, Keith Sinclair was questioning the robust nature of 19th and early 20th century history in the 1950s. He was neither the first of the only one to be doing this at the time. History as a discipline was questioning the nationalist and class basis of earlier accounts, many of which were simply propaganda. By the 70s and 80s, historical accounts had been rewritten incorporating the working class, women and the subjects of colonization. You refer to 'identity-driven history', and seem to think the last 70 years the discipline has been 'tainted' and revisionist. Yet this is far from the consensus view of historians. So, the next step when intellectual discourse is not in your favour, attack the academics and the experts.

Your hints that there is going to be an attack on the historical, legal and cultural developments of this nation and that a small entitled and moneyed cabal will impose their will upon us via the loose constitutional nature of our Parliament is disturbing on many levels. Not least because you think that might is right and those with power should be able to stifle understanding of historical truth and redressing historical wrongs. You cannot legislate against the truth. You can only create a counter movement to reestablish that which has been oppressed.

There is a generation, indeed two generations, which has worked for nation building by acknowledging and address past injustice. Every time you use New Zealand as short hand for Pakeha New Zealand, or 'we' as a wolf whistle, that is anachronistic. The view of 'piling up evidence', seems to be directed towards the Tribunal as a standing committee of enquiry, in other words, doing its job. The Nelson Tenths has shown that when looked at by the courts of NZ (blind justice), the breaches of the past and injustices are still identified.

What I think is behind all this is that this has become socially, politically, culturally and intellectually mainstream. It is the views you put forward that attempt to divide this consensus. I am clear that I have trust in New Zealand to develop and evolve a unique democracy that incorporates the coming together of the indigenous with those that chose New Zealand. It is a momentum, and most realise that expanding rights does not subtract from the rights of the insecure.


Guerilla Surgeon said...

" When Marxists critical theory was failing with a class war to overthrow the bourgeoisie, they turned to race"
What nonsense. Marxists hate critical theory – race or otherwise. It detracts from their insistence that class is the only division worth bothering about. Honestly, people who make these sorts of pronouncements about critical race theory are almost always the people who know the least about it.

DS said...

The American decision you try comparison to was not based on skin colour, but on "one drop of blood".

Dred Scott was not based off one drop of blood. Whites in the US South actually didn't like the one drop principle, because it opened the door to a scenario where they could be disinherited if their great-grandfather secretly raped one of his slaves, thereby giving them black ancestry.

The Barron said...

Given your response to me Chris, it is perhaps worth looking at History as a discipline -
The history discipline is the study of the human past, which involves the interpretation, recording, and analysis of events through the use of written evidence, artifacts, and oral traditions:
Purpose: History's primary purpose is to facilitate debate about our existence, including our culture, economy, society, leadership, and political systems.
Methods: Historians use a variety of methods to study the past, including critical examination of source materials, empathy for historical actors, and the use of evolving practices and tools.
Ethics: Historians must adhere to professional ethics and standards, which include peer review, citation, and the acceptance of the provisional nature of knowledge.
Communication: History is a public pursuit, and historians must effectively communicate their findings to make the past accessible.
Continuity and change: Historians must be able to identify and explain continuity and change over time.

I include this because of what seems an attack on the ethical nature of historians, especially that of NZ historians. While you may decry 'piling-up of "evidence"', it would not be valid historiography if all available evidence was not considered. A 'pile up' of evidence would seem needed for the citation required in peer review. Your argument that evidence is 'tainted' simply does not stand up. If it is published in academia, there are in built checks and balances through the peer review process.

We should note, the definition used requires 'empathy for historical actors', that means understanding the times and historical motivations. No where is there any sense that it would be ethical to assign a baddy tag to descendants or anyone living today.

It seems a confusion on your part between my acceptance of a 'collective and institutional obligation to redress wrongs'. There is also a mistaken view as to the role of the Tribunal. As I have said, it is a standing committee of enquiry and was from conception viewed as a safety valve for historical grievance. This became the model for global truth and reconciliation tribunals. In this type of narrative mediation, truth is the path to reconciliation. It would seem that there are those so afraid of accepted historical narrative that they see reconciliation as division, and threaten a day of reckoning rather that the growth of a nation.

John Hurley said...

There is a generation, indeed two generations, which has worked for nation building by acknowledging and address past injustice.

So why does it come across as crooked timbers? When I was four we went to St Andrew's Church Sunday school then attended the service. On the wall to the left was a poster with Jacinda Ardern and the lion and the lamb (we went home and had the lamb for Sunday dinner); we sang "the wise man built his house upon the rock". The bible also said: "by their fruits ye shall know them".
Ye and a lot of other people have been shocked by the carry-on at He Whenua Taurikura; by Martin Dhutta; by Tina Ngata; by Internet NZ's CEO Jordan Carter saying NZ's biggest problem is "white supremacy"; by the Maori Party in Parliament. Majority ethnic groups form the basis of nation-states; if majority ethnicity is the nation's soul, why does Lianne Dalziel think Ngai tahu are Christchurch's soul?

Anonymous said...

Justice comes by the creation of just men, said Thomas Carlyle.
Not much by politics, Reform Acts, or Kumbayah Historicism ( he didn’t say that last but it follow) .
Lawyers, ‘historians’, people pushing a political barrow don’t much like this. I wonder why.

Little Keith said...

As you just proved with your pompous belligerent answer. There is volumes written on marxism and critical theory. Heard of the Frankfurt School? Probably not.

Honestly, think before you hit send!

David George said...

GS: "Marxists hate critical theory"

The first two words are true.

This essay might help you understand.

Intro:
"they disorient their opponents by referring to their beliefs with a shifting vocabulary of terms, including “the Left,” “Progressivism,” “Social Justice,” “Anti-Racism,” “Anti-Fascism,” “Black Lives Matter,” “Critical Race Theory,” “Identity Politics,” “Political Correctness,” “Wokeness,” and more. When liberals try to use these terms they often find themselves deplored for not using them correctly, and this itself becomes a weapon in the hands of those who wish to humiliate and ultimately destroy them."

"The new Marxists do not use the technical jargon that was devised by 19th-century Communists. They don’t talk about the bourgeoisie, proletariat, class struggle, alienation of labor, commodity fetishism, and the rest, and in fact they have developed their own jargon tailored to present circumstances in America, Britain, and elsewhere. Nevertheless, their politics are based on Marx’s framework for critiquing liberalism (what Marx calls the “ideology of the bourgeoisie”) and overthrowing it. We can describe Marx’s political framework as follows:
https://quillette.com/2020/08/16/the-challenge-of-marxism/

Guerilla Surgeon said...

I suddenly realised of course that Marxists = critical race theory and the minimum there to comes directly from Jordan Peterson. Who knows pretty much nothing about Marxism or critical race theory. Just how to take advantage of gullible people.

Tom Hunter said...

There was an awful lot of pseudo-intellectual verbiage that attempted to paper over the connection between these two statements:

... inherited rights and indigenous rights..... The American decision you try comparison to was not based on skin colour, but on "one drop of blood".

There is literally no other way to establish inherited rights and indigenous rights except by measuring the drops of blood.

My niece being a classic example: some years ago, applying for monetary assistance in law school, she applied for funds available to Maori. Alas, she was 1/16 and failed, whereas 1/8 would have been all good.

Guerilla Surgeon said...

You know what, when Jordan Peterson was asked to name the Marxists that were infiltrating the whole of the US education system, he couldn't. You'd think he would have had a list. And yes I have heard of the Frankfurt School, they are not Marxists, they don't like Marxism.

"The Frankfurt theorists proposed that existing social theory was unable to explain the turbulent political factionalism and reactionary politics, such as Nazism, of 20th-century liberal capitalist societies. Also critical of Marxism–Leninism as a philosophically inflexible system of social organization, the School's critical-theory research sought alternative paths to social development."

The two are pretty much mutually exclusive, as I have been saying for years on this site and others. The whole point about critical race theory is that it is a moral panic deliberately and cynically created by Christopher Rufo. Who said that he wanted: "to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think 'critical race theory."
So what has happened is that everyone is simply seeing something being taught about race that they don't like, and calling it critical race theory – which is again – nonsense. Critical race theory is pretty much only taught in the rarefied atmosphere of postgraduate law schools, and before this moral panic started, the only criticism came from upmarket law professors who are worried their kids might not get into law school because their places would be given to those nasty brown and black people.

A few years ago I wrote 4000 words on critical race theory for an assignment. I have a very large bibliography if you want some tips. My original statement might have been just a little belligerent, it was not as far as I can see pompous. But it stands.
Perhaps you should do some research before you hit send.

Guerilla Surgeon said...

If I seem – a little impatient – and I think I prefer that to belligerent, it’s because I have been posting that quote from Rufo on this site for a couple of years now, and no one has taken the slightest bit of notice. Now I would have thought that anyone who is actually interested in finding out about CRT rather than simply repeating right wing talking points would at least say something like “Gosh here’s the guy telling us that he actually did start a moral panic about it and why. Out of his own mouth. Perhaps I should do a bit more research and revise my opinion – or not as the case may be.”
And I would have thought that anyone who was actually knowledgeable about CRT would at least have posted some of the academic criticism by law school professors from the US some of which have at least read about it. Or, God help us I would accept a critique from Ben Shapiro that right wing culture warrior who hates CRT, but at least knows what he’s talking about, because he studied at Harvard.
But you prefer to get your information from right wing Fox News harridans like Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham, who have pushed the Rufo line and also don’t know what they are talking about. If you could provide me with the names of a couple of Marxist academics who have changed their minds and started promoting critical race theory, that would also help. Don’t expect to get them from Jordan Peterson, he hasn’t a clue. But if you can give me a list of 10 or 20 or so – I might have a rethink then as well.

The Barron said...

I do want to give you the respect of considering your posts, John, and replying. It is not easy for.me to get your wave length at times. It seems a point about ethnic majority rights.
The first point is to define a majority. Those of European heritage, even British heritage, can be diverse. Pakeha NZ may also have family, spousal, friendship and other close relationship with Maori. The idea of "white supremacy" is not held by many Pakeha and is intellectually indefensible.
Most of the last couple of generations have an understanding that indigenous rights adds to the identity and development of our nation and does not deter from universal rights.
Those calling for majority ethnic dominance, should look at the demographics and ask who will be paying for the superannuation.

Ben Waimata said...

Even more so when a civil war divides us so much that we don't even know what side we naturally fit into.
I will not fight my fellow citizens.

Clive the Postman said...

G.S. isn't the idea of CT relentless criticism (to the point of demolition)?
The premise being that group B is not thriving due to the hegemony of the white ethnic group and the ideas they bring?

Wayne Mapp said...

It seems hard to believe, but our author seems to be in support of Act's Treaty Principles Bill. Presumably on the basis that the Bill as published so far stresses individual equality.
But that is not what the Treaty is about. For Maori, the primary element, as least in the current era, is the role of Maori self governance; Te Tino Rangatiratanga. In short the Article Two promises.
For most Maori this means self governance over the things that directly affect Maori; language, culture, land, water, health, education. In all these things there has been substantial progress extending back five decades.
I could never understand why the coalition was so concerned about the Maori Health Authority. It was essentially an extension of numerous initiatives over many decades.
To conflate the Maori interest in these things with individual equality is a category error.
Whilst the coalition has stalled progress in some of these things they will all come back with a change of government. And next time will stick. It is what being a bicultural nation (with a multicultural overlay) actually means. Shared power on the things where there is a substantial Maori interest.


Guerilla Surgeon said...

Well that's your interpretation David. It sure sounded like a firing squad to me, although to be fair it's very difficult at times to figure out what the hell Trump is actually saying he's declined so much cognitively. But why nine rifles specifically? Who knows the mind of this demented con artist.
And it's interesting that the so-called legacy media didn't say a Dickie Bird about his cognitive decline while they were making hay with Biden's – which wasn't nearly as bad. And even after Biden pulled out in Trump was the only one with cognitive decline they pretty much said nothing. I believe the word that Americans are now using is "sanewashing".
As one of my US Internet acquaintances said, Trump says "immigrants are poisoning the blood of our nation, they are murdering and raping all over the place, we should put them in cages and send them back even if they're legal." CNN says "Trump discusses immigration policy."
It's been pretty obvious that whatever individual reporters think, the MSM bosses wanted Trump to win for purely selfish purposes I presume.

Anonymous said...

Nobody here mentioned Jordan Peterson. if you have to come here, could you at least spare us your tiresome obsession with the man. It's getting old and adds nothing to the discussion.

Frankie Lee

Anonymous said...

If you thought that was a reference to a firing squad then you are ignorant or wilfully stupid. Only a rabid sufferer of TDS could have interpreted it that way.

The Barron said...

I am sorry to hear that Tom. The NZ census changed from blood quota in the mid-70s to self identified and decent. I had presumed that flowed through. It would be my guess that it could be an individual Iwi criteria for managing limited resources. Even if this is the case, it is not an exclusive way of including all whakapapa and decent.

The Barron said...

Tom, I just checked the website of the Maori Education Trust. For scholarships, what is required is proof of whakapapa through hapu or Iwi membership. I can't comment on your neices experience, but would seem an outlier.

Wayne Mapp said...

This is a comment on Tom Hunter's post.
I have direct experience about how such schemes are/were applied. I, along with my wife, was the key advocate for the establishment of the Maori and Pacific Islands Admission Scheme in Commerce at Auckland University. I also had a key role in the application of the Scheme.
Admission was not solely dependent on "measuring drops of blood", especially for those whose Maori or Pacifica heritage was only a small percentage of their ancestry. A lot depended on how well connected the applicant was to language and cultural life. Had they made any effort in that regard?
So someone who had 1/16 Maori or Pacifica ancestry, but had no connection (and had made no effort in that regard) was unlikely to be selected under the Scheme, whereas someone who had done so had a much better chance.
Of course, I don't know the circumstance's of Tom's niece, so I can only report on the Scheme as it was applied when I was involved. I know the other Faculties had a similar approach, since all schemes took advice from the Department of Maori Studies on cultural matters. It may be different now given that all Faculties will have a number of Maori and Pacifica academic staff.

Tom Hunter said...

Critical race theory is pretty much only taught in the rarefied atmosphere of postgraduate law schools

And you have made this claim for years on this blog even in the face of evidence like these US books about how to teaching CRT in schools. All easily found on Amazon. I must say that "Critical Race Theory in Mathematics Education" especially seems like a doozy.

The whole point about critical race theory is that it is a moral panic deliberately and cynically created by Christopher Rufo.

Gosh, a media figure claiming that it's all down to him. What a surprise.

I have been posting that quote from Rufo on this site for a couple of years now, and no one has taken the slightest bit of notice.

I'm sure you've had that a lot in your life, especially when you were teaching, so you should be used to it by now. In this case you're ignored because you're just pushing Lefty talking points designed to cover this up, even as you complain about RW talking points

In fact, Rufo would never have got this traction on CRT if schools across America hadn't started teaching via Zoom in 2020, whereupon millions of parents began to see with their own eyes the sort of garbage being taught, including CRT. That was the driver - and it was no moral panic but righteous outrage that in service to the revolution, a lot of very nasty old Far Lefters were determined to teach their kids that they were garbage produced by a garbage system that needs to be torn down. Less education than a production line of mindless Lefty activists for front-line use down the line.

As far as Marxists hating on the Frankfurt school and CRT and any group that diverted from the class warfare of Labour vs Capital, that's just another example of the endless factionalism of Marxism. Being told by the likes of you that it's a big nothing is like a bunch of Mensheviks telling me just to keep arguing theory with the Leninists even as the latter arm up.

The fact is that CR in general and CRT in particular has the same Oppressor v Oppressed dialectic as the rest of Marxism, just focused on different types, but with the same revolutionary zeal to destroy existing systems in the hope that some utopia will arise in its place.

And we actually have a dynamite example right now as a result of this year's US Presidential election, courtesy of VP selection Tim Walz. As governor of Minnesota Walz appointed one Brian Lozenski, a Minnesota professor, and national leader on Ethnic Studies, to head up Minnesota’s Ethnic Studies Working Group for teaching CRT in the State's K12 schools. Here's how he sees CRT:

The first tenet of critical race theory is that the United States as constructed is irreversibly racist. So if the nation-state as constructed is irreversibly racist, then it must be done with, it must be overthrown, right. And so we can’t be like, “Oh no, critical race theory is just about telling our stories and divers[ity].” It’s not about that. It’s about overthrow. It’s insurgent. And we, we need to be, I think, more honest with that. … You can’t be a critical race theorist and be pro-U.S. Okay, it is an anti-state theory that says, The United States needs to be deconstructed, period.

He'd fit right in with the people Chris Trotter is writing about here and he sounds exactly like any old school Marxist revolutionary.

The Barron said...

Critical Race Theory is, and always has been, a tertiary education law discipline that looks at the historical and contemporary development of law and institutions factoring in racial factors, conscious or not.
It is a model that can be adapted to other situations of instructional iniquity.
Any other uses of CRT is taken out of context.

David George said...

The various manifestations of critical theory, as it says on the tin, are just that: theories. The duty of scientists and, presumably, academics is to try and demolish theories not accepted as some sort of Holy Writ. But here we are. The canard "we're not teaching your kids critical theory" may be technically correct but what is being pushed are it's toxic conclusions.

It wouldn't matter if critical theory was merely the pontifications of pomo professors; that it has wormed it's way into the education system or corporate HR departments or into the governance of the country does matter and it's highly destructive. There are far better ways of looking at, and engaging with, the world.

"Gratitude can be an elixir for victimhood. Gratitude is not the naive insistence that the world is a perfectly delightful place and that everything is going to go well. Gratitude is a practice. It is a moral virtue. The virtuous part of gratitude is the courage to find light in even the darkest place that can guide you through. The willingness to and the understanding of that is a practice."

Ask questions about gratitude, and give others space to practice it as well. Be grateful for the love and support you receive when that love and support is genuine because they will be of genuine aid to you. And when you practice gratitude, know that it is not a kind of naivety; it is a courageous practice. "
Jordan Peterson.

John Hurley said...

The Baddies scope Nigel Biggar as to how to cancel John
https://youtu.be/SoON0_LUfJA

The Barron said...

CRT has the meaning assigned by those that designed and initiated it. That there are those, whether from the right or the left, that have repurposed the term simply confuses the usage.
I understand the president elect will make CRT illegal in the land of the free.
What obvious that any legislation will have to define CRT before banning it.

The Barron said...

The muddled musing of a deregistered psychologist should not be submitted as evidence of much.
Whether social science or liberal arts, disciplines should be able to view from different perspectives and incorporate those into analysis.
For CRT, this was looking at the development of American law and institutions. As African Americans were constitutionally 3/5th of a person, and had laws that excluded them and specific laws of oppression made against them, it is relevant to deconstruct the development of laws in from and in relation to the development of their rights.
This would seem a sensible if not essential analysis.

The Barron said...

Just to note Tom, I have never been a teacher. I have decades of experience constructing and delivering workshop on a variety of rights based issues.

The Barron said...

When Europeans came across a new animal, they often named it after something they were familiar with presuming it to be a variety of the animal they knew.
So they saw a large bovine and called it a buffalo. They saw a bonobo and presumed it to be a chimpanzee. They named the honey badger believing it to be a badger. Of course, we now have taxonomic knowledge and know these are each related, but different species. This does not reclassify true Buffalo, true chimps or badgers.
Critical Race Theory remains what it was designed as no matter how many misclassifications are misrepresented.

Guerilla Surgeon said...

Well anonymous, I define TDS slightly differently to you. And we'll find out how wilfully stupid I might be when Trump puts an anti-vax nutcases in charge of health and some stupid football player to whatever it is I can't be bothered looking up again. It's going to be idiocracy all over again. I just hope you're not involved in exporting to the US if he slaps a 20% tariff on everything, which will annoy farmers, tank the US and probably the world economy. As I said – I define TDS slightly differently to you.

Guerilla Surgeon said...

Why does it add nothing to the discussion anonymous/Frankie? He was the one that started the whole idea of Marxists transferring their affections to critical race theory and the like. And if no one mentioned him that must be a first for David. Of course judging by your comments, you haven't added anything to this discussion at all. Perhaps you're shy.

David George said...

Very good Tom, a slam dunk, a withering rebuttal.

swordfish said...

Great post, Christopher ... nuanced, incisive, distilling all the ostentatious detail in the current debate down to a key issue (albeit with the great disadvantage of encouraging the usual confused, irrelevant & rambling responses from our ludicrously smug & superior resident doyens of the woke professional-class).

[on a technical issue ... all comments are currently showing up in bold]

D'Esterre said...

"For Maori, the primary element, as least in the current era, is the role of Maori self governance; Te Tino Rangatiratanga.
.............
self governance over the things that directly affect Maori......land, water, health, education."

This polity is supposed to be a modern, representative democracy. It isn't possible to do the things described here and still have a democracy. Many of us (me included) don't care about language and culture, seeing these things as private goods, as they are for all other races which have settled in NZ.

On the other hand, all of us have a stake in land, water, health and education. Our democracy gives all of us - including Maori - access to property rights, public health measures and healthcare, and to education.

The ancestors of present-day Maori signed the Treaty. Records from that time illustrate that they knew what they were signing: governance (sovereignty) would pass to Queen Victoria. Tino rangatiratanga was at that time understood to be authority over the territories (such as they were) controlled by individual chiefs. The indigenes did not think of NZ as a polity, because it was not, and had never been, such a thing. But they understood that the Queen would rule over the country, thereby introducing the rule of law, protecting them from the French, and from the horrors of any repeat of the Musket Wars.

It's a bit late for any revisionism, or for remorse about the Treaty. If the indigenes had wanted to keep NZ for themselves, they'd have refused to sign, and turfed out the few Western settlers that were here at that time. It's instructive to note that they did not. What's done is done.

Kevin said...

What could be more justifiably 'political', than this question raised by this article. Staying on topic, the ?voluntary resignation of the Archbishop of Canterbury isn't just a story, it's a pointer to the fact that structures and organizations that choose or are 'volunteered' into becoming political do badly at cleaning out their own houses.
The professional body and compulsory registration body I am attached to come to mind.
Where possible we must mind our own business well and be try to be charitable to things we know nothing of. I don't know anything about the Church of England, but suspect that if it wasn't a cog in the political machine, badness from the 1970s might have been swept out sooner. Or not, you can argue it. Have to wonder why it has happened now. And what actually is fixed by his departure.
Is it naive to say that the C of E, the professions are not and should not be 'political'? And that to make them so degrades them, and conceals issues for others purposes? Then I am naive.

Is it fair to ask the question that must follow, is more democracy, more involvement always the path to better? I have to hope so, but having an opinion about something far off is not 'political'. Those who think differently want to suppress or control social media.
The truly political (like the subject of this article) require long deep thought and principles, and that doesn't guarantee better either.

John Hurley said...

It's easy to deconstruct a population; however, it doesn't work like that: human nature has evolved to form a population (for its very survival).
"White supremacy" is cultural hegemony; Paul Spoonley said: "Pakeha shall loose hegemony". If that were to happen we would need to adopt archaic Maori solutions ill-fitted to our modern world.

David George said...

I would add, as a more general observation, that CRT is, like Marxism, an attempt at the moral justification of envy and the inevitable rise of it's toxic offspring - resentment and hate.
There are very good reasons why envy is regarded, in Christianity and elsewhere, as evil.
“You have your reasons for being resentful, deceitful, and arrogant. You face, or will face, terrible, chaotic forces, and you will sometimes be outmatched. Anxiety, doubt, shame, pain, and illness, the agony of conscience, the soul-shattering pit of grief, dashed dreams and disappointment, the reality of betrayal, subjection to the tyranny of social being, and the ignominy of aging unto death—how could you not degenerate, and rage, and sin, and come to hate even hope itself?”
“I want you to know how you might resist that decline, that degeneration into evil. To do so—to understand your own personality and its temptation by darkness—you need to know what you are up against. You need to understand your motivations for evil—and the triad of resentment, deceit, and arrogance is as good a decomposition of what constitutes evil as I have been able to formulate”
Jordan Peterson from Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life.

John Hurley said...

Was talking to someone whose son sells apartments in Melbourne. He earns $1m/year and only works about 15 hours a week. He says, there isn't a lot of work in development and so he and his developer mates fly to Noosa to go fishing. And I suppose the rentier class keeps it's eye on politics and the ideas brewing in the public sphere. They must notice how ideas percolator (if they are allowed to)?
https://youtu.be/RyCFNmXurTY?si=8VDPwbQ_8vpDCD6S

The Barron said...

John, your quotes and references are so dated that they lose relevance. NZ hegemony has changed with demographics and globalization. What you crudely refer to as white supremacy, as short hand for Pakeha is certainly a description imposed.
Your view of what you deem human nature is without detail, but it sounds you are suggesting the discredited 'birds if a feather' view of identity.

The Barron said...

The shallowness of Peterson is at least consistent. He does not understand the Biblical references to pride or envy and will misuse any quote by ignorance or design.
Analysis of legal and institutions by including historical disempowerment is not envy, it is a narrative. One which can be debated. That slavery existed in the United States is factual. That law and legal institutions were developed during the antebellum south is factual. There can be a debated as to what extent this affects the laws and institutions of today can be debated, banning and demonizing the narrative rather than debating seems insecure as to the counter-narrative merits.
The naturalization of a false narrative is to me the concern.

The Barron said...

Neither major party in Britain are supporting removing the bishops from the House of Lords in the new reforms. The C of E is and always has been political. However, the resignation of Canterbury is because he suppressed information regarding a serial child sex offender allowing the offender to leave the jurisdiction and create hundreds more child victims, including deaths.
Protect the institution, suffer the children.

The Barron said...

Your understanding of the signing of the Treaty is a non-historical series of " reckons" devoid of cultural or historical basis.
You make a strange point regarding contemporary land, water, health and education. I know of no prosal that prevents the NZ government involvement in delivering or governing. Co-governance specifically includes this. What is proposed is that Maori are the descion makers and providers for Maori that opt into that delivery. Resources that have both parties interest, have both parties managing.
Your interest in these areas remain represented. Control over Maori interests are invested in Maori. The only thing you conceed is your representative control over a group you do not belong to and clearly do not understand.

The Barron said...

Just to note David, envy as one of the seven deadly sins is not biblical. Pope Gregory in 590 constructed this and added envy, which had been missing from most earlier lists of sin.
Given the rivalry for the position of Pope, the church division and the power and wealth of the Pope at the time, I would imagine it would be in the interest of the papacy to dismiss everyone else as envious capital sinners.

David George said...

GS: "if (?) no one mentioned him that must be a first for David"
A pre-emptive strike?
Jordan Peterson's long awaited new book is released today: We Who Wrestle with God: Perceptions of the Divine. Bound to be another best seller from the great man - it's already #4 in psychology and counselling on Amazon.
BTW Barron, Jordan hasn't been struck off, they are forcing him to undergo a re-education struggle session. Trouble is they can't find anyone willing to take him on. He has promised to film and release the indoctrination and humiliation ritual so that might explain the reluctance.

D'Esterre said...

My dear Barron. You do go on a bit, don't you. Your increasingly rancorous comments, along with the hectoring tone, suggest that you realise you've lost the battle to convince the rest of us of the correctness of your perspective. My advice: give it up.

By the way, it'd be really good if you would do a spot of proofreading before you hit the "publish" button. The multiple mistakes tend to undermine your credibility, at least in my view.

John Hurley said...

I've rung Michael Laws a couple of times regarding "Central Otago is booming".
Laws suggests it is good, but his arguments are rhetorical.
On the way into Queenstown there used to be beautiful fields whereas now is commercial with tiny apartments. Wooing Tree WInery (Cromwell) has dense housing.
There are "5 different real-estate markets" (Laws lives on 1200m at Cromwell). He ignores falling returns to tourism and hospo workers. He says people are coming to Central Otago from Auckland, but people go to Waimate from Auckland, they are looking for the Kiwi way of life.