Wednesday 18 October 2023

Losing The Working Class.

Workers' Power. The power of the NZ working-class reached its zenith in 1974, when 10,000 workers marched in protest at the Drivers Union leader, Bill Andersen's, arrest - and secured his freedom. The Labour Government of Norman Kirk was frightened of the organised working-class then. Fifty years later, there's precious little left of the private sector unions to inspire fear in anybody.

I ALWAYS WONDERED what it would take to detach the New Zealand working class from Labour. Not all of the working-class, obviously, but enough to strip the party of the demographic heft that, for more than a century, has made it a decisive electoral player. Now I know, but it took a fair few wrong guesses before I got there.

On paper, it should have been Rogernomics. After such a comprehensive betrayal of Labour’s working-class base it seemed impossible that all but the most mindless loyalists would continue to vote for the party. It was the conviction that underpinned Jim Anderton’s creation of the NewLabour Party – give the ordinary working-class voter an honest social-democratic party to vote for and Labour’s electoral base would shift en masse.

Well, that’s exactly what happened in Jim’s seat of Sydenham, but NewLabour’s message fell on deaf ears just about everywhere else. Labour’s candidates reassured the residents of working-class electorates that Rogernomics had been for them. New Zealand could not have gone on the way it had been under Muldoon. Something had to be done. Our economy had to be shaken-up and set on a new, more productive path. It had all been done for them, so their kids and grandkids to look forward to something better than freezing-works and car-plants. If Mickey Savage had been leading Labour in the 1980s, they said, he would have followed exactly the same policies.

And, you know what? It worked. In Labour’s safest seats Jim Anderton’s candidates hardly made a dent in Labour’s bodywork. The workers stayed loyal right through.

Their dogged faith in the Labour Party reminded me of “Boxer”, the indomitable draught horse of George Orwell’s Animal Farm. No matter how many times the pigs who wielded the power made the lives of all the other animals miserable; no matter how many times they slyly amended the rules of the farm (most famously from “All Animals Are Equal” to “All Animals Are Equal – But Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others”) Boxer remained loyal to the Revolution, exerting all his mighty strength to keep it going. Until, at last, worn out by his ceaseless exertions, he fell ill and was sold to the proprietor of the local knacker’s yard by the self-same pigs he had always believed in and supported.

There had been other tests of working-class loyalty. The abortion issue had sorely tried the patience of Labour’s working-class Catholics of Irish descent in the 1970s. Homosexual law reform did the same, right across the Christian denominational spectrum, in the 1980s. Like the Springbok Tour of 1981, which had pitted young, mostly middle-class, university students and their liberal middle-aged mentors, against the rough-and-ready working-class lovers of Rugby, the struggle for gay rights was overlaid with an ill-disguised contempt for the morally deficient people its promoters were struggling against.

By the late-1980s, however, the issue which had bitterly divided the traditional Left in the years immediately following the Springbok Tour, and hacked a jagged wound across the trade union movement, was turning up on the conference floor of the Labour Party. The radical quest for Māori sovereignty, and its central political demand – “Honour the Treaty” – could no longer be ignored by the party whose 50-year alliance with the Ratana Movement had given it control of the Māori seats.

That was the moment at which Labour should have grappled with the political implications of Māori sovereignty and the Treaty, thrashing them out for good or ill, until its members, and (much more importantly) its voters grasped their meaning. But, that was not what Labour did. When confronted with policy remits requiring Labour to honour the Treaty of Waitangi, conference delegates and MPs nodded sagely and dutifully raised their hands in support. Very few understood that what they were receiving and passing-on was the political equivalent of a live hand-grenade, and that, one day, the pin of that hand grenade, either by accident or design, was going to be pulled out.

Anyone who has ever wondered how the Fourth Labour Government could so blithely legislate for the Waitangi Tribunal’s reach to extend all the way back to the signing of the Treaty in 1840, or how that judicially pregnant phrase “the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi” could so carelessly have been inserted into the State Owned Enterprises Act, should wonder no more. The leaders, and the members, of the Labour Party were so ignorant of both the Treaty’s status in Maoridom, and of their country’s morally dubious colonial history, that they simply didn’t see the harm in paying lip-service to Māori demands.

Donna Awatere had put her finger on the phenomenon in her seminal Māori Sovereignty essays, published in Broadsheet:

The strength of white opposition will be allayed by the fact that Maori sovereignty will not be taken seriously. Absolute conviction in the superiority of white culture will not allow most white people to even consider the possibility.

Lord Cooke of Thorndon, however, had no choice but to take the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi seriously. His ground-breaking judgement that the Treaty was “in the nature of a partnership” would produce a rich harvest of subsidiary judgements and policies that, as the decades passed, would draw the descendants of the settlers who made New Zealand closer and closer to the Dock of History.

One of those judgements related to the foreshore and seabed, and came frighteningly close to tipping New Zealand into fierce racial conflict. It was only Helen Clark’s up-close-and-personal interactions with the hard men and women of the Māori nationalist movement, the people she dubbed “haters and wreckers”, that prevented the 2005 General Election from anticipating the 2023 General Election by 18 years. Clark’s effective nullification of the Court of Appeal’s decision, and her unequivocal assertion that the foreshore and seabed belonged to all New Zealanders, was sufficient to hold enough of Labour’s working-class vote to defeat Don Brash’s attempt to start what Act’s David Seymour is now promising to finish.

Unfortunately, Jacinda Ardern, possessed none of her predecessor’s understanding of the Māori nationalist movement and its revolutionary interpretation of the Treaty. When asked to summarise the Treaty’s clauses by journalists in the first months of her premiership, she could not oblige. A classic example of her party’s dangerous propensity to good-naturedly wave Māori demands through Labour’s policy check-points, Ardern simply lacked the political resources to turn back the political demands of such forceful Māori politicians as Willie Jackson and Nanaia Mahuta.

Neither Ardern, nor her successor, Chris Hipkins, had the intellectual or ideological sophistication to argue either For or Against the revolutionary ideas contained in the He Puapua Report. Nor did they possess the courage to follow Helen Clark’s example of political intransigence.

Labour made no case for co-governance because it couldn’t. For the previous 40 years it had put “all that Treaty stuff” in the too-hard, or the too-scary, basket. When the sovereignty hand grenade finally exploded, in the second term of the Sixth Labour Government, the best Labour could manage was to blame the resulting injury to the New Zealand body politic on the “racism” of the people whose votes it would need to go on governing.

Unsurprisingly, it didn’t get them. Almost accidentally, Labour discovered what it would take to make the working-class stop voting for it. Not the Pasefika working-class, admittedly, but the “settler” working-class – made up of Pakeha New Zealanders and the children and grandchildren of immigrant workers. Making those citizens feel as though they had, somehow, to justify their right to participate in shaping their nation’s future: that was the crucial catalyst for electoral defection.

Like their European and American counterparts, the New Zealand working-class has completed its historical journey from Left to Right.

And it ain’t going back.


This essay was originally posted on The Democracy Project on Tuesday, 17 October 2023.

44 comments:

RedLogix said...

In the 1980's I spent a substantial amount of time on various marae - mainly King Country and a few East Coast. The context was not political, but one could not help but absorb the undercurrents.

This long march through the institutions has been in motion for decades, but only recently did it become visible to the people. The key tactical mistake was renaming all the govt depts. It became a token of some deeper change no-one had been asked about. You could not ignore it - even if you were labelled racist for drawing attention to it.

I like your description of the sequence of events very much - they align very much with my own probably more modest experiences.

Archduke Piccolo said...

... which goes to show just how (not so much the why) Nazism managed from small beginnings to gain traction during the final days of the Weimar Republic. Alienate the already alienated. Way to go, Labour. Judas Iscariot could have taken lessons.

Noam Chomsky was mistaken in one thing. Governments don't have to manufacture consent. It is enough to manufacture silence. Guess what. The working class has been driven to where its silence is just about guaranteed. Gee, golly gosh: thanks a bunch, Labour. The fate I twice had reason to hope would be visited upon National as come to roost, like the proverbial vulture, upon Labour's exsanguinated, eviscerated corpus delicti...

Cheers,
Ion A. Dowman

larry said...

Not just " the working class ".

Most everybody else... the other significant political parties; have eaten Labour's lunch and built up the numbers of their own supporters.

Labour's own Greens, Maoris and the genuinely Labour disaffected, have voted with their hearts ... and at least in the short-mid term will not return.

Garry
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Guerilla Surgeon said...

I think US politics has shown that working class people will vote against their interests if you can scare them enough – particularly with an ethnic minority they despise getting "something for nothing". I think that's probably necessary but not sufficient. You'll notice that Labour lost votes to the left. Insofar as the Greens are actually left. And seems to have pretty much convincingly lost the Maori vote. Perhaps if you all got off your arses and asked yourselves why these two things happened and made some sort of effort to rectify the situation instead of simply complaining about "identity politics"?
But it won't happen. The large numbers of people who don't vote are increasingly ignored, while they concentrate on trying to get the centre who do reliably vote. I think if voting were to be made compulsory, something which conservatives are inevitably against – there'd probably be very few conservative governments in the future. Anywhere.

David George said...

If there's one thing screaming out from the conflict in the Middle East it's the fatal danger of "blood and soil" ethno nationalism.

Obviously the Maori party and the greens are too foolish and too myopic to see it; but Labour? What the hell did they expect, hitching their wagon to them and that?

They're probably too blind to understand it but having two toxic de facto partners is surely a serious problem for them for the future.

new view said...

What amazes me is that these ideas for radical change come from so few people. Rogernomics had the tight fish n chip group but the idea germinated from who, Roger Douglas, Prebinson. Someone will tell me if I'm wrong. When you think of the colossal upheaval to NZ caused by so few. Did Lange want all this or was he led by the nose. We all know about the cup of tea. Three waters and He Puapua seemed to come out of no where but is being driven by just a few.
Nania M and Willie J and a few others. Did Jacinda want it or was she led by the nose. Chippy obviously didn't really want it and it started to wither as soon as he took charge. Anybody would have thought Maori were going to revolt on mass if this didn't go through but we can assume many Maori didn't want it or don't like how it was being implemented and those that did like it, voted TPM who still only have 2% of the vote. IMO working people have been held to ransom by just a few ideologists over the years. They are influential enough to hi jack the leaders and cabinet of the times and cause grief for NZ and their own parties. Lange was a great speaker but was he a strong leader. Jacinda was the same. A great speaker and leader during Covid but maybe not so strong on these other issues. The working class's loyalty is surely been tested by the Labour Party and with the emergence of TPM and a strengthening green party they will struggle for another parliamentary mandate anytime soon.

Andrew Nichols said...

Why are so many like you and so many y of your correspondents afraid of Maori? I'm a 65 yr old Rugger loving Boomer and I'm not. On my experience, the ones that most fear honouring the Treaty are those who have never had Maori friends other than the superficial relationships of playing footy with them or having them in one's class at school..That you Chris? It's the 2020s not the 1950s. Gone down the Winston path?

DS said...

Not in the least bit true, of course. The epicentre of the disaster was not the working class, but rather among Auckland's Asian community. This was not Labour calling people racist, but rather Labour's failure to address basic day-to-day cost of living concerns.

If this were a working class rebellion, why was the anti-Labour swing in well-heeled Mount Albert so much greater than in working class (and overwhelmingly Pakeha) Taieri?

Glen said...

Yet again, Chris, you've nailed it! A major historical shift. The mainstream media still don't seem to understand this, but it's obvious enough to those with a keen eye and an open mind.

RedLogix said...

@ Andrew Nichols

It is emphatically not Maori we are 'afraid' of. It is the explicit, ethno-nationalism of the Maori sovereignty elites - and their radical 'decolonisation' agenda that is terrifying.

Guerilla Surgeon said...

"If there's one thing screaming out from the conflict in the Middle East it's the fatal danger of "blood and soil" ethno nationalism."

Well said David particularly the Israeli idea that as a chosen people God gave them much of the Middle East. 😇

It's a pity also of course that National has to hitch its wagon to those toxic libertarians and populists I guess. But it's a sad state of affairs when we have to rely on one toxic nutcase to mitigate the effects of another one.

Well said Andrew Nicholls!

David George said...

"the ones that most fear honouring the Treaty are those who have never had Maori friends"

Interesting, Andrew. I know that's merely speculation/generalisation but plenty of people (a significant majority according to a recent survey), Maori included, have concerns about the interpretation of the Treaty, the Treaty Principles. Why? Ignorance? Racism? Hate or Love?

Perhaps they are genuinely, and rightly, concerned with the insertion of race, or hereditary ethnicity, into the constitutional, political, legal, educational and medical realms.

Dr. Elizabeth Rata:
"It is in discussion with the people that our parliamentary representatives assure themselves and us that they know what they are talking about. The discussion about whether we want Treaty Principles may be four decades late, but it must happen for the sake of New Zealand democracy.

I identify three possible choices. The first is continue with the 1980s’ invented Principles Treaty knowing it justifies co-governance and will lead to the irresolvable conflict between a kinship-based polity and a universal democratic one, one justified in a racial division of people into indigenous and non-indigenous.

The second choice is to value the 1840 Treaty of Waitangi as one of the country’s most significant historical documents, but one with no practical relevance to a modern democracy.

The third choice is similar to the second but treasures the symbolic value of the historical document within the nation’s collective memory. It is to regard the principles (lower case ‘p’) mentioned in the 1975 Treaty of Waitangi Act as referring directly to the Articles but with no meaning or application beyond those Articles." https://blog.elizabethrata.com/2023/10/04/1843/

Tom Hunter said...

I'm too young to remember this, but reading the history I can't help wondering if watching even a Labour government cower before the union movement in 1974 contributed to Muldoon's landslide the following year?

John Hurley said...

1. On paper, it should have been Rogernomics.
I don’t think so, but that’s just me. I see the system as a game whereby the rules need to be fair. What isn’t fair is letting in migrants in a way that the Chief Economist at ANZ described as unsustainable, with a cost to GPD per capita.
It is also unfair to label people as racist as they see their identity diluted as well as their lifestyle.
It is unfair to exclude voices.
First home buyers hit record-high share of property market, says CoreLogic
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/10/first-home-buyers-hit-record-high-share-of-property-market-says-corelogic.html

This is the new idea of a kiwi home, you could (perhaps) call it inclusive housing, because it includes housing pressure from migrants.
Martin Cooper (Harcourts Shanghai) would call these “starter homes”.

John Hurley said...

RedLogix said...

Exactly, it has been going on for a long time. I recall a North and South Article asking What do Maori Want? (because you aren’t going to get it without bulldozing diagonally through existing cultural hegemony).
Now on Te Tiriti Futures Paul Spoonley informs Earle Wilkes “Pakeha will lose hegemony”.
I think it is a case of it’s now or never: look! Jacinda-pants has them eating out of her hands.
Why aren’t our media giving Spoons his 5000th interview? Ans. We saw Barry Soper’s interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcw86XEmCj4

Guerilla Surgeon said...

I think US politics has shown that working class people will vote against their interests if you can scare them enough – particularly with an ethnic minority they despise getting "something for nothing".

People look at migrants and ask if they are their allies or “after their stuff”. Only *us* is not “after our stuff”, because society is meritocratic and has laws worked out over millenia.
The history of the US is a big spurt of economic growth in the first part of the twentieth century. Economies can’t keep growing for ever.
Just like Auckland’s house prices, the working classes caught on before Public Address started to notice

John Hurley said...

Interesting that prisoners vote Labour but not Green - a bit like Voice.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133136951/prisoners-voting-habits-revealed

Anonymous said...

Rigernomics was well planned by interest outside this country. It was implemented by eager largely American trained ambitious kiwis of the Fulbright generation ie who went off to US grad schools to learn the lingo. It was a coup powered by Treasury but organised from off shore. The key was the very well planned. 20 percent devaluation of the. Currency which fuelled there Is No Alternative . It was treason executed to make globalisation inevitable.
That the extreme tightening economics was introduced from the left has fouled politics ever since..

David Stone said...

"After such a comprehensive betrayal of Labour’s working-class base it seemed impossible that all but the most mindless loyalists would continue to vote for the party."
Several years earlier when I was in my late teens, I accompanied my dad on an uncommon business trip to Auckland . He was a sheep farmer. It struck me that in numerous meetings in offices all day we had not met one person who's job contributed in any way to thier own or anyone else's actual needs. Nothing of any use was being produced by any of the staff in those buildings in Auckland. It was the first time I realised how small was the proportion of humanity at least in our country that did produce what society needs had become.
I believe that this evolution has continued ever since and to a large degree this is where the support for the labour party has gone. people are not needed in such proportions to work at menial tasks any more and the labour politicians have followed their voting supporters as they have left the manual workforce and moved to the more comfortable financial and so called service industries. The kind of union of manual workers has become irrelevant.
D J S

Trevs_elbow said...

GS says "I think if voting were to be made compulsory, something which conservatives are inevitably against – there'd probably be very few conservative governments in the future. Anywhere."

Yeah, nah. Australian has compulsory voting - returns Conversative Governments regularly

Treaty politics will kill this country as a united country - just as the Left want.

The Greens and TPM are the furtherest left with their tax and redistribution policies, and who can forget Russell Normans desire to Nationalise the Power Gentailers in the 2014 election
campaign...

And the Greens and TPM are fully on board with a co-governance approach in NZ. Labour have a core group who want it to.

The entirey of the Left Parties in full or part want to tear down the exist socio-economic reality of NZ and create something approach a one party state mediating competing ethnic grouping demands. Sounds like Tito's Yugoslavia... Tito kept it all together and then he died and all hell broke out.

The big problem hard core Maori Ethno-Nationalists face is unlike Andrew Nichols claim of fear of Maori, the vast majority of the country have Maori relatives (in laws, Grandkids, Aunts, Uncles) and close mates. And most of those friends and rellies dont want a bar of Rangatira centric governance in NZ.

Most kiwis want a platform of opportunity and to be left the hell alone by Politicians out to create divison or change the world. And unfortunately that is why stupid political, academic and standing bureaucratic classes can advance such divisionist policies as He Puapua; most Kiwis are too busy living, loving, building futures and trying to enjoy life to understand early enough what those policies mean and oppose them.

A no holds barred conversation about the Treaty, Lord Cookes minority opinion on Partnership and Geoffrey Palmers incredibly loose Principles is desperately needed before the seeds of division bear some ugly, unpalatable fruits.

David George said...

Thanks Chris, good to see you are now writing for the Democracy Project Substack and Phil Crump's (AKA Thomas Cranmer) new ZB Plus.
Some really great essays on those sites and also on Plain Sight.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/zb-plus/

https://plainsight.nz/

https://democracyproject.substack.com/

larry said...

Hey "New View" you said ... revealingly!

"IMO working people (The Labour Party), have been held to ransom by just a few ideologists over the years".

This is an accurate assessment. The original and personal policies, ideas, knowledge and nous of recent Labour leaders ... excluding Helen of course; have been woefully thin or ineffectual.

And then there was Douglas. Not even a good socialist. A Labour Wolf in an ACT sheepskin. Puuleese!

Anyhow ... they have all recently been consigned to political oblivion for a while ... "The Lord be Praised".

Quite in what precise form they will re-emerge ... well no one knows.

The perfect opportunity then for a rising 20-year-old defined by Chat Bot AI as ... "a Straight part Māori, small business owner-operator, well versed in green activism and holding an official Trade Union position possessing a healthy dose of leadership, charisma and personal likeability" ... would-be nice... too.

Her task would be to reinvent a Labour Party that jells with all the other ... 20-year-old Kiwis.

Recall that before his enlightenment Our Lord spent 40 days and nights in the wilderness. Rome after its fiery conflagration was not rebuilt in a day.

Soooooo ... first find the Labour Party Messiah, give National the time it needs to clean up the mess and then, and only then, can Labour look forward to a rosy future.

chris prudence said...

Ninety five bucks for a fundraiser by bfm is too steep for local students not paying 510 dollars for a hall of residence and 2 not 3 meals a day.We have an election for the student magazine craccum editor but no elected oversight or an bfm officer on the exec of the student union ausa.It is time that changed.

Great speech by jordan at the arab league with france germany the uk and the african union watching on.

Guerilla Surgeon said...

If – as has been suggested – a 3rd of Labour voters in South Auckland didn't turn up to the polls this time, I doubt somehow if it's a result of national or act race baiting on co-governance. Laura Norder maybe.

Guerilla Surgeon said...

"Yeah, nah. Australian has compulsory voting - returns Conversative Governments regularly"

All of which I know – but not conservative governments that do things like dismantling the social welfare system. I also said "probably".
There's a reason why national in NZ and the Conservatives in Britain don't mess with the health system too much. They put their sticky fingers in the education system a bit more, but try getting rid of the NHS and see what happens. In the US, conservatives mainly get in by gerrymandering, and of course with the usual race baiting and appeals to Laura Norder. In other words fear. Of course there are a lot of low information voters that say they "don't like socialism but leave my Medicare alone". Education in those red states tends to be shit, and that's one reason why.

Guerilla Surgeon said...

"People look at migrants and ask if they are their allies or “after their stuff”. Only *us* is not “after our stuff”, because society is meritocratic and has laws worked out over millenia.
The history of the US is a big spurt of economic growth in the first part of the twentieth century. Economies can’t keep growing for ever."

In so far as I can make out that 1st statement, it's not particularly clear – bullshit. Meritocracy is dying in the US as the figures show.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/09/social-mobility-upwards-decline-usa-us-america-economics/
As for the 2nd, you may be correct but under Biden the American economy has outperformed just about everyone else. Again as the figures show.

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0e25b6f0-a5a5-4835-adc1-054c24b8bfd9_1104x1192.png?

Guerilla Surgeon said...

"the vast majority of the country have Maori relatives (in laws, Grandkids, Aunts, Uncles) and close mates." Yeah? Not sure I believe that.

And maybe most of the country aren't afraid of Maori, but those that are make a shit load of noise.

David George said...

Thank you for the kind words GS.
My warning about the danger of ethno nationalism is for those of us here foolishly embarking on that road. It's a bit late now for the Israelis, over a thousand years too late. They've nowhere else to go and are surrounded by enemies intent on their death and destruction. The appalling Jew hatred there and, as we are witnessing, here in the West can only add to the realisation that they are, once again, engaged in an existential battle. God help them and God help us if we refuse see.

"Perhaps we could come to understand that such intentions are instead all too often the consequence of our unpardonable historical ignorance, our utter willful blindness, and our voracious hidden appetite for vengeance, terror and destruction. Perhaps we could come to remember and to learn from the intolerable trials endured by all those who passed through the fiery chambers of the Marxist collectivist ideology [Soviet communism]. Perhaps we could derive from that remembering and learning the wisdom necessary to take personal responsibility for the suffering and malevolence that still so terribly and unforgivably characterizes the world. We have been provided with the means to transform ourselves in due humility by the literary and moral genius of this great Russian author [reference to Alexandre Solzhenitsyn] . We should all pray most devoutly to whatever deity guides us implicitly or explicitly for the desire and the will to learn from what we have been offered. May God Himself eternally fail to forgive us if in the painstakingly-revealed aftermath of such bloodshed, torture and anguish we remain stiff-necked, incautious, and unchanged."
https://pablomunoziturrieta.com/the-gulag-archipelago-a-new-foreword-by-jordan-b-peterson/

chris prudence said...

Paternalism for Maori only should work when it comes to social welfare and not paying the benefit or super or student allowance in cash but by the no alcohol or cigarettes payment card.

D'Esterre said...

DS: "...why was the anti-Labour swing in well-heeled Mount Albert so much greater than in working class (and overwhelmingly Pakeha) Taieri?"

Looking at the results, it seems to me that there was also an anti-Labour swing in Taieri. Ingrid Leary held onto her seat, but only just. And the party vote was equally close.

"...among Auckland's Asian community."

That, too.

D'Esterre said...

Andrew Nichols: "Why are so many like you and so many y of your correspondents afraid of Maori?"

Where did you get that idea from? I've heard this sort of thing from Lefty family members, and in my view it's just more of their name-calling: racist! being a favourite. It stands in for any actual argument.

"....the ones that most fear honouring the Treaty...."

It's not clear what you mean here. Honouring? And which Treaty do you have in mind? That which was signed in 1840, or the revisionist effort from the 1980s?

Those of us concerned about rising ethno-nationalism in NZ want it to be recognised and challenged, without name-calling. Some of us are old enough to have seen the tragic effects of ethno-nationalism in Africa from the 1960s onward. Who could forget Idi Amin and Robert Mugabe, or be unaware of what's been happening in South Africa since the end of apartheid?

We cannot go down that road in NZ. The concept of co-governance springs out of the revisionism of the 1980s. Not only is it not supported by the 1840 Treaty, it's outright undemocratic. Even were it the case that the Treaty had principles up the wazoo, no polity can do this sort of thing and still call itself a democracy.

We have a Maori electoral system: in itself racist and therefore undemocratic. We need it to be disestablished, if NZ is to be the democracy it believes itself to be.

DS said...

DS: "...why was the anti-Labour swing in well-heeled Mount Albert so much greater than in working class (and overwhelmingly Pakeha) Taieri?"

Looking at the results, it seems to me that there was also an anti-Labour swing in Taieri. Ingrid Leary held onto her seat, but only just. And the party vote was equally close.


Yes, there was a major swing in Taieri, one accentuated by the local Greens two-ticking Green. But the swing in (working class) Taieri was smaller than (posh) Mount Albert - indeed the sort of swing commonplace in Auckland would have taken out Leary altogether. As it was, Labour not only won the candidate vote with some breathing room (1300 votes before specials), but actually won the party vote in Taieri - the only semi-rural general seat to do so. All of which suggests that this was not a great working class rebellion envisaged by Mr Trotter.

(Fun fact, incidentally. Clutha, the rural portion of Taieri, actually delivered a party vote result that looks like Mount Roskill).

whetu star said...

The loss of the working class began with the Labour government's extension of the covid response.

"Caring" didn't include us. The efforts to vaccinate the downtrodden were simply fear we might infect those who matter.

We recognise "drunk on power" and its ensuing abuse. We routinely live the consequences of abuse of power in a myriad of ways in our daily lives.

We suffered with job losses and noted the unemployment benefit was temporarily raised because the middle class was affected.

We knew we would be hit really hard in the inevitable economic downturn following closing the nation to ''save'' and appease the middle class.

We suffered with the closure of hospitals. We noted that not a penny was spent making hospitals safe and effective for us. They were simply closed for all but covid and the highest-cost services accessed by the insured. Our people were maimed and killed at a higher rate as a result.

We were especially harmed by school closures and as with all of the above, our families continue to be seriously affected.

We watched as "Labour" refused to talk to the mainly working-class protestors in the Wellington occupation. We saw politicians and journalists looking down from high above, indignant that we would dare to break our enforced silence, that the lowly would dare to imagine ourselves citizens.

Later we watched Ardern glorifying herself in the US, spending many, many, more hours on the talk-show circuit and joining fashion shows than even reading the documents in NZ about the catastrophic poverty suffered by our people, destroying young lives forever.

We saw the lies told about purported action to fix the shattered services our people are dependent upon. We saw money going instead to crony spin-doctors tasked with covering-up Labour's disgraceful inaction.

Long silenced, we are all too aware of censorship. We watched the ridiculous farce of the disinformation "experts" talking utter nonsense on our television screens night after night. We know that it is our people who suffer the most as truth becomes ever more distant and middle-class fantasy about its own imagined virtue is gaudily displayed in its stead, cheap and empty.

I could go on. Labour lost the working-class long before three(?)-waters and co-governance came on the scene.

Chris Trotter said...

To: Sumsuch.

If you can somehow desist from your constant personal attacks on me, Sumsuch, and attempt to address the arguments that so obviously disturb you, but which you make no attempt to counter, in my posts, then you will be allowed back on to Bowalley Road.

Until then, I'm afraid it's bye-bye.

Guerilla Surgeon said...

" The efforts to vaccinate the downtrodden were simply fear we might infect those who matter."

And you have evidence of this? Of course you bloody don't.
Jesus Christ honestly I despair sometimes. The idea that all the people in the New Zealand administrative sector who are in favour of vaccinations somehow think that it's only to preserve them is utter fucking nonsense. Selfless people work tirelessly to get people vaccinated against any number of other diseases, in particular measles, which pretty much all of the "people who matter" have been vaccinated against. They're not going to catch measles, so I wonder why they bothered trying to get poor/rural people/Maori vaccinated. Jesus the fucking conspiracy theories that prosper here!
And anyone who puts experts in inverted commas, unless they are pseudoscientists of some sort – you know the sort of people you believe in – deserves not to be listened to.

DS said...

We watched as "Labour" refused to talk to the mainly working-class protestors in the Wellington occupation. We saw politicians and journalists looking down from high above, indignant that we would dare to break our enforced silence, that the lowly would dare to imagine ourselves citizens.

Nothing working class about those protestors, mate. Rich pricks driving down from Cambridge in late model SUVs, and all-sorted nutters whingeing about losing middle-class jobs because they have bought into conspiracy theory nonsense.

The real people complaining about the closure of the borders? Not the working class. Angsty rich people upset that they could not no longer go on shopping trips to Melbourne and Sydney. Air travel is expensive. Limiting it was the bane of the rich, not the poor.

But feel free to keep remaking sociopathic scum into heroes. You have a lot of rich and powerful allies in your messaging.

Tom Hunter said...

All very interesting but I wonder if you would also like to contrast this post - and the associated Labour in 2023: No Place Left To Grow - with these words from your 2020 election post, Getting Our Politics Sorted, where you said this:

If New Zealand’s four “houses” are Taking Care of Business, Taking Care of Others, Working With My Hands, and Working With My Brain, then New Zealand Labour is unlikely to suffer the fate of British Labour.
...
Far from losing touch with its brown working-class base, New Zealand Labour’s liberal, university-educated middle class: the house members of Working With My Brain and Taking Care of Others; are doing everything they can to empower Maori and Pasefika New Zealanders.
...
Ironically, this leaves New Zealand’s National Party where British Labour now appears to be standing: with insufficient allies to win a nationwide election. Of New Zealand’s four houses, only Taking Care of Business (especially rural business) is overwhelmingly loyal to National. Increasingly, the house members of Working With My Brain, once more-or-less evenly split between National and Labour, are clustering around like-minded “progressives”.


Now I don't mean to write this with smug Schadenfreude - especially given that I expect National will be a useless, incrementalist government that the Left (especially the Greens and Te Paiti Maori) will appreciate come 2029 or 2032 when they return to government to find much of their works embedded and ready for further expansion, and god knows the predictions about the future always beg to be proven wrong - but I think it would be interesting for you to re-cast these two pieces of analysis in the context of your "Houses".

BlisteringAttack said...

Tellingly, on the campaign trail in a visit to Dunedin, Chippy visited a student flat populated with middle class university students rather than the usual visit to the working class Hillside workshops.

whetu star said...

I don't know if it is worth answering at this point but anyway....

An overall comment - most commentators were taken by surprise by the election trouncing of Labour. I wasn't. I was commenting on blogs for months into years prior to the election that left (and purportedly left)-wing public voices seemed oblivious to how angry large numbers of people were. What catalysed working-class anger and a kind of nascent class-consciousness, imo, was Labour's treatment of the protestors and the howling middle-class mobbing that it deliberately incited.

There was always a lot more disquiet about Labour's responses (beyond the first action) than it was safe for people to express, such was the intensity of outspoken hostility towards anyone even asking questions about it. So, it was always ''underground''. And it had nothing to do with sceptics and dissenters being opposed to vaccination (beyond pre-existing tiny numbers of such people in the population).

DS - the protest was primarily, if not exclusively, a working-class phenomenon imo.
Guerilla Surgeon: Some suggested that the vaccination programme seeking out the poorest and most disenfanchised indicated Labour's care for the poor. Their record in office says otherwise. This was an infectious disease so my interpretation of Labour's apparent and uncharacteristic concern for the poorest was that the Labour government was caring for its own, as it did throughout its tenure. And that was not us.

Anonymous said...

"The real people complaining about the closure of the borders? Not the working class. Angsty rich people upset that they could not no longer go on shopping trips to Melbourne and Sydney. Air travel is expensive. Limiting it was the bane of the rich, not the poor."

It was that complaining that pushed the government into bringing in the travel bubble with Australia, that allowed Covid back into the the country and caused the nasty second lockdown.

It doesnt matter anymore, the protesters actually got what they wanted in the end. In the past 18 months, all restrictions have been dropped.

One thing that would have been good is that the infrastructure used for the covid vaccine rollout could have been put to use for flu vaccines, and so on.

Anonymous said...

Hey 'whetu star',

You think National gives a shit about the 'working class'?

Ive got news for you. National and ACT are about to roll back every single protection gained by workers. How does a freeze in the minimum wage for 3 years sound? Or losing paid breaks, lunch hours, sick leave and paid holidays? National are going to let your boss just sack you for no reason, and let your landlord kick you out for no reason.

Or I am guessing you are one of those cucked people who think the bosses and landlords are wonderful people and should get everything they want, and be allowed rip people off. YOu, are a traitor to the working class, plain and simple.

Millsy

Anonymous said...

"Guerilla Surgeon: Some suggested that the vaccination programme seeking out the poorest and most disenfanchised indicated Labour's care for the poor. Their record in office says otherwise. This was an infectious disease so my interpretation of Labour's apparent and uncharacteristic concern for the poorest was that the Labour government was caring for its own, as it did throughout its tenure. And that was not us."

So you dont think working class and poor people should get vaccinated? Are you vaccinated? Do you think covid should have been allowed to let rip?

I suppose you also want the $5 precription charges, because you hate free health care as well., You hate workers protections, hate high wages, hate public health services, hate vaccinations and hate everything.

Millsy

whetu star said...

I'm not a tribalist, I have no team jersey, being left-wing runs in my veins, it's not a fashion choice. As such I have a mind of my own, not a tribe I hero-worship in place of principle, thought and conscience.

For the record Millsy, I am vaccinated. I believe all people should make up their own minds about everything they take into their bodies while judging and weighing risks and benefits and considering potential effects on others, one way or the other.

Hate free health care? This is going from the sublime to the ridiculous.

And for the record, I don't think National gives a shit about the working class, any more than Labour does.

Cucked-up? traitor to the working class bosses and landlords are wonderful people?

Where did I say anything that might suggest such nonsense? Politics is not a team sport. Its is so much more important than that.

whetu star said...

I'm not a tribalist, I have no team jersey, being left-wing runs in my veins, it's not a fashion choice. As such I have a mind of my own, not a tribe I hero-worship in place of principle, thought and conscience.

For the record Millsy, I am vaccinated. I believe all people should make up their own minds about everything they take into their bodies while judging and weighing risks and benefits and considering potential effects on others, one way or the other.

Hate free health care? This is going from the sublime to the ridiculous.

And for the record, I don't think National gives a shit about the working class, any more than Labour does.

Cucked-up? traitor to the working class bosses and landlords are wonderful people?

Where did I say anything that might suggest such nonsense? Politics is not a team sport. Its is so much more important than that.

Mark Craig said...

Mr Trotter I admire and appreciate your efforts to enhance political debate in NZ.I have serious doubts despite being a party member and making financial contribution that my beloved party has not been subsumed by people with ulterior motives than the improvement of the whole working class.Racial identity being one of the major impediments to a holistic harmonious result.I live in the Hokianga,it concerns me now the push for apartheid advantage is takiung over,especially after having my crashhelmut cracked by a red squad member in 81,protesting against the Bok tour.