Saturday 21 December 2019

If You Want To Know Why Clinton And Corbyn Lost - Watch This.

This short documentary explains brilliantly why the candidates and parties of the Left keep on losing to the Right. Highly recommended viewing.

Video courtesy of YouTube

This posting exclusive to Bowalley Road.


Tom Hunter said...

Careful now Chris. When I've posted this clip on a couple of blogs I was instantly attacked as being "Alt Right".

Given the attacks you're already getting from the modern Left you may also get the same label. Best of luck.

Nick J said...

Watched it a few weeks back, thoroughly instructive. Treat your own supporters in a deplorable way and they vote for your opponents. Who then are the deplorables?

David Stone said...

Well this certainly puts Brexit where it belongs in the fate of Corbyn. Thanks Chris.

Guerilla Surgeon said...

Yeah okay watched the documentary just a few points.

1. "These people aren't racist"? – I haven't come across anyone apart from hard-core Nazis who will actually admit to being racist. How many times do we hear "I'm not racist.... but..." just before somebody says something that's racist. I'd be very sceptical of that statement on those grounds.

2. There are a lot of myths surrounding the EU and the supposedly "unelected bureaucrats" that allegedly run it. And that's just what they are – myths. The bureaucrats job is to propose legislation but the European Parliament approves or not. That's a democratic body. Not to mention that there are somewhere around 30,000 unelected EU bureaucrats – yet 400,000 unelected British bureaucrats. If Britain's MEPs had done their job instead of slacking off the Brits might have had a little more say.

3. It's these unelected bureaucrats that are supposed to have ruined the British fishing industry and the small businessmen in it. The truth is that as everywhere in the world the small businessmen are being squeezed out by large conglomerates. 77% of the British fishing fleet is owner operated, but they only have 3% of the quota. And this is in CONTRAVENTION of EU fishing policy funnily enough. Not to mention that assuming it is true, the doyen of brexit bullshit Farage was allegedly on the commission that looked into the fishing industry but never went to any meetings. He had a chance to do something about it but couldn't be arsed.

4.MAGA and what have you is not nostalgic? I wonder on what basis they make this decision. All right there is a certain amount of frustration involved but it's still pretty backward looking. Industrial jobs are not going to come back. Neither are mining jobs. People are going to be continually for the for seeable future shunted from decent jobs paying 20 bucks an hour with medical insurance, to burger flipping at $12 an hour if they're lucky and hope to Christ you don't get sick because it will bankrupt you sort of jobs. And Trump for all his big words is not going to do anything about it. Even if something can be done, which I'm beginning to doubt.

5. So all you have to do to get rid of trumpeters get 50.1% of the votes? That guy was supposed to be a professor. Obviously not have American politics given that it's the electoral college which decides the president rather than the popular vote – which would have seen Hillary for all her faults as the first woman US president.

6. Big business is funding remain? Where do they get that from? Some of the biggest and most unscrupulous bastards in big business in Britain have been funding the lies that made people believe brexit was going to make their lives better. Which is at the very least debatable.

7. Populism. Populism is not necessarily bad, although in terms of Trump and Bojo, yes it is because they are both unscrupulous liars who care for nothing but their own advancement. Both are corrupt to the core, and Trump in particular is enriching himself at the expense of the American taxpayer. And that's one thing that is eminently impeachable – like it or not.

8. Talking to my garage guy the other day. Great guy, never suggests unnecessary work even though he'd probably make more money if he did. He knows my kit hasn't got much money, so he make sure that whatever he puts on the car's value for money. Interesting though.
He works with his hands but is he working class? I don't know considering his motorbike is worth as much as all three of the cars in my household and his car as well.
And then – bit of a surprise – he mentioned that he wanted to send all the PI people "home". It is here deplorable? I must confess that is a question to which at the moment I have no answer. I can't condemn him out of hand, but the "liberal elite" part of me is appalled. Like I said in another post, working class people are the salt of the earth – as long as you fit in.

John Hurley said...

For me the watershed was:

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best,” he said in the same speech. “They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Because the status quo was that the nation was made up of good people (non-racist) and bad people (racist). Migrants were/are untouchables. Community has boundaries. A borderless world "global village" sinks the ordinary citizen to nothing (but not the high status citizen). The ordinary citizen lives in tight spaces with less opportunity than the high status citizen.

The media and creative sector are almost completely out of touch and we have a lot going on between the people and the politicians that the politicians own but are shielded from.
For example post modernism dictates an end to all grand narratives and grand narratives are going one by one but have zero to do with any politician (you can't control the weather). Christchurch is "City of Exploration" and has primitive Ngai Tahu imagery implanted over it (like a tattoo on a Monet). The mens toilets in the Christchurch Novotel 6th floor bar have no urinal. Christchurch Hospital has men and women in the same room WTF?
The silliest thing of all is the way they have been able to promote diversity when "diversity" is not a social science concept.

John Hurley said...

How Lefty luvvies lost the plot
The creative sector is now so woke and insular that it’s incapable even of recognising an oppositional voice

And Wallace Chapman's The Panel.

I think people realise that Sam Neil's life experience if removed from Joe Bloggs. Why would The Press think we care about his views on an interfaith hub for Cathedral Square?

Bonzo said...

How do you repair the cleaving of the working class from the woke illiberal left?

David George said...

Thank you for your blog Chris and good to see a broad range of ideas from the commentators, it's great to engage with folk with different opinions; many forums become one sided and predictable. Perhaps we can all keep that in mind for the coming year(s); as Jordan Peterson says "Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don't"
Merry Christmas and a hopeful and meaningful New year to you all.

Anonymous said...

Clinton's "basket of deplorables" line was taken out of context. She wasn't talking about these people. Indeed, she said that half of Trump's supporters were people who had been screwed by the system. She was actually referring to the neo-Nazi component of Trump's support (the David Dukes of the world). Sadly, it's a line that has taken on a life of its own...

It's also an awkward question about whether Corbyn could have done anything here. Yes, he's a lifelong critic of the EU, and an enthusiastic rebel against the Establishment... but these people view him sceptically, and the liberal Establishment cheerfully demonised him to hell and back. Dennis Skinner was an ex-miner, and a staunch Brexiteer, and even he couldn't hold his seat, after half a century. It's a debatable question whether these people can ever return to the Left.

(That said - New Zealand might be weirdly immune to this sort of realignment, via our strange economic development -

Guerilla Surgeon said...

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best,” he said in the same speech. “They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Can't make much sense of the rest of your answer, but migrants, legal or otherwise, actually commit crimes at a much lower rate than native citizens in the US.

Trev1 said...

Thank you for sharing this excellent documentary Chris. The past three years have been very illuminating. It's time to stand with the ordinary people, the "somewheres". Proud to be a deplorable.

David George said...

GS, re #2 bureaucrats. Rest assured; the British civil service is in for major reform aimed at more accountability and greater efficiency.
Dominic Cummings, following his comprehensive success in designing the strategy for last weeks victory is to turn his formidable intellect to root and branch overhaul of Whitehall.
David George.

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous, are you saying that half of Trumps supporters are neo-nazis? That's a bit of a stretch, unless your definition of a neo nazi is anyone who has had even the slightest racist thought. Funnily enough by writing them off in that way you've perfectly illustrated a point they were making in the documentary.

BAsically our class of people uses the prejudices of the working class to justify our own prejudices toward them. Our justification is new but 'educated' people have always looked down on the working class and we need to own up to it.


Nick J said...

GS you say "These people aren't racist"? – I haven't come across anyone apart from hard-core Nazis who will actually admit to being racist.

That's an extraordinary leap of faith, are you condemning everybody who doesn't agree with you as racist?

Sam said...

Nick J. She's so boomer she's woke.

Nick J said...

Sam, poor Hillary. It was all going so nicely.

John Hurley said...

This is good
A people's revolt against the establishment - there is a wisdom in crowds.

John Hurley said...

I am now very pessimistic... I think there is a very good chance American democracy will fail, that in the next thirty years we will have a catastrophic failure of our democracy. — Jonathan Haidt
"The delusion is to believe that liberal, secular, multicultural democracy is a natural condition for human nature." — Jonathan Haidt

Guerilla Surgeon said...

"That's an extraordinary leap of faith, are you condemning everybody who doesn't agree with you as racist?"
No that's an extraordinary misinterpretation of what I actually said/meant. People may or may not be racist – but few that actually are will admit to it.

I see everyone is jumping on the "woke" bandwagon. Even if you're using it "ironically" and
JAQing off (now there's a good one) it still makes you look rather silly.

Nick J said...

I was just contemplating something GS said quite accurately. I see everyone is jumping on the "woke" bandwagon.
My thoughts were around how revolutions become progressively focused on ideological purity and end up eating their children. Is "woke" the equivalent of the Jacobin Terror, the Stalinist purges or the Cultural revolution, all of which were rejected and overturned as sanity returned?
I remember first wave feminism well which was followed by "political correctness". PC seemed eminently sensible at first as it demolished older social mores that had outlived their usefulness. It had broad support. Gradually however as battles were won and enemies vanquished PC morphed into a more oppressive entity as it sought not only to consolidate gains but push the boundaries, much in the way Stalin purged the old cadres who hadn't driven the revolution far enough, hard enough. For the past few decades PC has become burdensome and oppressive which has generated push back aka counter revolution.
In the face of pushback PC had to generate more causes, each with attendant victims. This is the definition of identity politics, the broad unity of the early revolution fragmented into ever more individualised grievances. Your allies now become oppressors. They must be fought by the new revolutionary faction, the "woke", the extreme social justice warrior.
At this stage of the revolution only oppression can carry it forward and the historic record is that without popular support it eventually fails and opens the door for popular resistance.
Maybe that is Trump, Johnson, deplorables.
I'd contend that "woke" will eat its children and then be consigned to the dustbin of history. What comes next who knows.

pat said...

@ Nick J 17.00

Those are thought provoking comparisons....esp Stalin. A new religion as nature abhors a vacuum....yet another divide, atheism and religiosity with pentecostal fervour on both sides?

John Hurley said...

I've been thinking about Paul Spoonley's disagreement wit the race relations conciliator over Black Pete.

Massey University Professor and race relations expert Paul Spoonley said the problem with Black Pete was its racial stereotyping.

"I think this is the issue, that it's using people who are themselves not from the area," Professor Spoonley said.

"I think that what you should be doing is talking to the people who are doing this, and why it is offensive. And by the way, in the Netherlands many of the portrayals of Black Pete have been changed significantly so that you don't have that black face," he said.

Opposition to the figure is mostly found in the most urbanized provinces of North and South Holland, where between nine and seven per cent of the populace wants to change the appearance of Zwarte Piet. In 2012 in Amsterdam, most opposition toward the character was found among the Ghanaian, Antillean and Dutch-Surinamese communities, with 50 per cent of the Surinamese considering the figure to be discriminatory to others, whereas 27 per cent consider the figure to be discriminatory toward themselves.[49]

So we have a "leading academic" who feels we need to explain why it is offensive and a 50:50 split amongst Dutch-Surinamese. Does that mean the 50% who don't take offense are in the wrong. Cognitive behavioural psychology would concur with those who don't take offense. The same logic applies to "we are a colonised people.

aj said...

I agree this is an interesting short doco which nails many of the reasons for Labours defeat, but also to support Guerilla Surgeon's first comment further up this thread. Indeed I share his view on many matters.
Going back to "The Trick Of Winning Power Under Capitalism." I also support totally his distaste for lying as the means to obtain power. "But I still don't think it's right to lie to them. That's one of the reasons they are so cynical about today's politics."
Well said.
Then a little further down that same thread, Anonymous commented at 8:58 and part of his summary was this: "Hell, terrorist stabbed people in the streets, and Corbyn's first response was a tweet (soon deleted) accusing the police of murder!"

Funny we should be talking of lying and politics. This tweet, which was widely circulated shortly after the the most recent London attack and attracted wide attention, was totally fake. From

"In reality, Corbyn took to Twitter to express his gratitude to the emergency services who responded to the attack.
He wrote: "Shocking reports from London Bridge. My thoughts are with those caught up in the incident.
"Thank you to the police and emergency services who are responding."
Later, in a statement announcing that his party would suspend general election campaigning in London on Friday, he added: "My heart goes out to the victims of this appalling attack.
"We owe a deep debt of gratitude to our police and emergency services, and the brave members of the public who put themselves in harm's way to protect others.
"We must remain united across all our communities."

A lie travels around the world before truth has its boots on.

John Hurley said...

and the context is that we are growing at 2.1% which is high. If you nlook at the numbers of Asians they are growing at 3.5% , So tha's why the're contributing.Pakeha are growing at less than .5%
So that's why we are seeing this diversification.

and it's also in some ways the argument for immigration isn't it
because in some ways your gonna need taxpayers, especially as that baby boomer demographic retires. We know there are some big issues coming up there.
OK if we are one of the most diverse and have been so for a long time, what else are we going to have to do.

[8] RNZ submitted that the comment complained about was not a statement of
fact to which the standard applied, but rather analysis, presented as a possible
argument justifying certain levels of immigration.
Our analysis
[9] The first question for the Authority is whether the comment complained about
was a material point of fact in the item, to which the accuracy standard
applied. Guideline 9a to the accuracy standard states that the standard does
not apply to statements that are clearly distinguishable as analysis, comment
or opinion.
[10] Guidance to distinguishing fact from analysis, comment or opinion states that
a fact is verifiable: it is something that can be proved right or wrong, while an
opinion is someone's view: it is contestable, and others may hold a different view.' The following factors are relevant to determining whether a statement
is fact or opinion:2

• the language used in the statement

• the language used in the rest of the item (there could be a statement of
fact within an opinion piece or surrounded by opinions)

• the type of programme and the role or reputation of the person speaking

• the subject matter

• whether evidence or proof is provided

• whether the statement is attributed to someone.
[11] Having regard to these factors, we consider Ms Ryan's comment, which is the
subject of this complaint, amounted to analysis and opinion, rather than a
statement of fact, therefore the standard does not apply. Ms Ryan's language
— 'it's also in some ways the argument for immigration, isn't it' — indicated she
was posing this proposition to Professor Spoonley as a speculative position
or a question, rather than being a definitive statement of fact. The comment
expressed Ms Ryan's own analysis, posing one possible argument linking
population ageing and immigration, and we do not think listeners would have
interpreted it as fact.
[12] Nor do we think Ms Ryan's single, brief comment would have materially
affected listeners' understanding of the 14-minute interview overall. The item
as a whole focused on increasing diversity in New Zealand and projections
for population growth, as suggested by recent data released by Statistics New
Zealand. The discussion largely focused on immigration and projected
population growth across Pakeha, Maori and Asian populations. The interview
did not otherwise discuss population ageing, beyond Ms Ryan's brief aside

They made light of the issue and provided an excuse. It was Ryan's comments and hmmm from Demographer Paul Spoonley; Immigration expert Paul Spoonley; Distinguished Professor Paul Spoonley.

The Noble Liar: How and Why the BBC Distorts the News to Promote a Liberal Agenda

Tom Hunter said...

People are going to be continually for the for seeable future shunted from decent jobs paying 20 bucks an hour with medical insurance, to burger flipping at $12 an hour if they're lucky

Chuckle. Guerilla Surgeon's always popping off at me for my links and cutting and pasting - as opposed to his classic teacher's front-of-the-class approach of just blowharding whatever comes into his mind and expecting no kickback. And in the case of the above it's the recycled "McJobs" slam on the Reagan 80's that failed so badly in pushing him from power.

Same again, after all the predictions of doom and taking care of the rich from the likes of Paul Krugman (Nobel Prize for economics dont'cha know)... the USA under Trump not only has a booming economy but one that's actually lifting the lowest paid up for the first time in over a decade:

Pay for the bottom 25 percent of wage earners, who account for 82 percent of the population, rose 4.5 percent in November from the year-ago period, according to data published by the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta. That’s the highest since July 2008. Wages for top earners, meanwhile, rose just 2.9 percent last month.

Overall, wages have accelerated this year by an average of 3.6 percent, as unemployment dropped, once again, to a half-century low. For employers, low employment means fewer people are looking for a job, limiting the supply of available employees and increasing competition to get the best workers.

Actually this has been happening now for over a year, it's just that it's reached a level of success that even the MSM can't ignore any longer.

Charles E said...

The Conservative’s great victory over Corbyn’s decimated Labour Party is a fine example of the collective wisdom and decency of the British people.
They profoundly rejected an obviously Anti-Semitic, far left politician, his ideologically possessed party, and its fellow travellers. It confirms that they will never be elected so their time has past forever. Fabulous and momentus.
This gives those of us who deplore the recent bizarre rise of the extreme, race & gender obsessed, authoritarian left in the West a lot of hope.
Well done Brits. In a crisis you once again save the day. Now we look forward to an independent sovereign UK leading the way across the West.
If the Dems in the US are paying attention and wake up, they will return to the centre. If not, they may just hand four more years to Trump, and cause the US left to join their fellow UK dinosaurs, as curious fossils.
So that would at last be, the death of the radical left. Leaving the social democrats to re-claim their large, but silent, and way too timid flock.

Jens Meder said...

But yes, Labour in Britain has still the chance to start leading from the Centre, the Tony Blair way, even though he still missed to lead from the absolute Centre -

from which the way ahead is upwards for and by all -

through increasing individual wealth ownership (potential) spreading to all with participation in the effort by (100% of) all.

sumsuch said...

Hope you're well , Guerilla. You skirmish like the Western and Eastern Wardens of the Scottish borders. Given it is only half an hour on a modern highway to Edinburgh, I value you above all the raptors who gather here in the remains of demo-cratic force.

Anonymous said...

I had a sneaking suspicion that RNZ's US correspondent didn't like Donald Trump

John Hurley said...

And this Chris
David Goodhart: Are you an 'Anywhere' or a 'Somewhere'?

John Hurley said...

This is the reality of immigration and their skills and "connections"